Re: Problems with KDE, emacs and xemacs

[W Paul Mills]

On Wed, 13 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman wrote:

> Will Lowe wrote:
> > 
> > > Can somebody give me a solution:
> > > 1. to make EMACS work OK with KDE
> > Play with the default font settings in KDE.  Mine did this too,  at first,
> > I changed the fonts around a few times,  and now it's working fine.  I
> > think it has to do partially with the difference between proportional and
> > non-proportional fonts.
> Yes, I think the same. But I've try with all the fonts from the
> fontmanager with no success. What are your settings ?
> 
> Ionutz
> 
> > > 2. to change .emacs to work with XEMACS.
> > Someone just posted a test for emacs version.  I also keep extra font-lock
> > settings and stuff around in a .xemacs-extras and do a load-file on them
> > if .emacs determines that we're really running xemacs.
> Why should I test it ? If I simply go to the menu and give Help->Ahow
> version...
> it responds it's a GNU Emacs 20.2.2. Is this important ?

To conditionally run different sections of the .emacs file.


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Re: Problems with KDE, emacs and xemacs

[Will Lowe]

> Yes, I think the same. But I've try with all the fonts from the
> fontmanager with no success. What are your settings ?
Not the fontmanager.  From the K^ in the lower left of the panel:

Settings->Desktop->Fonts ect.

I've got "General font" set to "helvetica", 12 pt,  iso-8859-1
and "Fixed font" set to "fixed", 10 pt,  iso-8859-1.

good luck.
Will


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Re: Problems with KDE, emacs and xemacs

[Ionut Borcoman]

Will Lowe wrote:
> 
> > Can somebody give me a solution:
> > 1. to make EMACS work OK with KDE
> Play with the default font settings in KDE.  Mine did this too,  at first,
> I changed the fonts around a few times,  and now it's working fine.  I
> think it has to do partially with the difference between proportional and
> non-proportional fonts.
Yes, I think the same. But I've try with all the fonts from the
fontmanager with no success. What are your settings ?

Ionutz

> > 2. to change .emacs to work with XEMACS.
> Someone just posted a test for emacs version.  I also keep extra font-lock
> settings and stuff around in a .xemacs-extras and do a load-file on them
> if .emacs determines that we're really running xemacs.
Why should I test it ? If I simply go to the menu and give Help->Ahow
version...
it responds it's a GNU Emacs 20.2.2. Is this important ?

Ionutz


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Re: Problems with KDE, emacs and xemacs

[Will Lowe]

> Can somebody give me a solution:
> 1. to make EMACS work OK with KDE
Play with the default font settings in KDE.  Mine did this too,  at first,
I changed the fonts around a few times,  and now it's working fine.  I
think it has to do partially with the difference between proportional and
non-proportional fonts.

> 2. to change .emacs to work with XEMACS.
Someone just posted a test for emacs version.  I also keep extra font-lock
settings and stuff around in a .xemacs-extras and do a load-file on them
if .emacs determines that we're really running xemacs.


Will


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Re: Problems with KDE, emacs and xemacs

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Why not make a test expression on emacs-version? For example:

(if (string-equal emacs-version "20.2.2") (print "hello, 20.2.2 user"))

Ionut Borcoman wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yesterday I've downloaded the new KDE beta 4. After some struggling, I
> was able to start it. But, when I start EMACS, the text is all wrong (I
> think it uses wrong fonts). The XEMACS works OK with fonts, but doesn't
> like the .emacs and other lisp files that worked OK with EMACS.
>
> Can somebody give me a solution:
> 1. to make EMACS work OK with KDE
> or
> 2. to change .emacs to work with XEMACS.
>
> The XEMACS complains at lines like
>
> ;; Redefine some keys.
> (setq kill-whole-line t); Kill EOL too
> (global-set-key [kp-home] 'beginning-of-line)
> (global-set-key [kp-end] 'end-of-line)
> (global-set-key [home] 'beginning-of-line)
> (global-set-key [end] 'end-of-line)
> (global-set-key [C-home] 'beginning-of-buffer)
> (global-set-key [C-end] 'end-of-buffer)
> (global-set-key [S-delete] 'clipboard-kill-region)
> (global-set-key [S-insert] 'clipboard-yank)
> (global-set-key [C-insert] 'clipboard-kill-ring-save)
> (global-set-key [S-right] 'set-mark-command)
> (global-set-key [f1]  'goto-line)   ; goto line
> (global-set-key [delete]  'delete-char) ; delete character under
> cursor
> (global-set-key [f4]  'indent-three-spaces) ; indent 3 spaces
> (global-set-key [f8]  'kill-current-line)   ; delete current line
> (global-set-key [?\C-z] 'undo); added here because I usually do kills by
> mistake
> (global-set-key "\C-x\C-j" 'goto-line) ; Command prompts for linenumber
> to go to.
>
> It says
>
> Invalid (FSF Emacs) key format (see doc of define-key): C-home
>
> I can hand-fix some of these, but I have a lot of .el files and it seems
> absurd to me to do this for all of them. Also, I would be glad if you
> can share a solution that will make the .emacs files useable for both
> EMACS and XEMACS (if that's possible).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ionutz
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Problems with KDE, emacs and xemacs

[Ionut Borcoman]

Hi,

Yesterday I've downloaded the new KDE beta 4. After some struggling, I
was able to start it. But, when I start EMACS, the text is all wrong (I
think it uses wrong fonts). The XEMACS works OK with fonts, but doesn't
like the .emacs and other lisp files that worked OK with EMACS. 

Can somebody give me a solution:
1. to make EMACS work OK with KDE
or
2. to change .emacs to work with XEMACS.

The XEMACS complains at lines like 

;; Redefine some keys.
(setq kill-whole-line t); Kill EOL too
(global-set-key [kp-home] 'beginning-of-line)
(global-set-key [kp-end] 'end-of-line)
(global-set-key [home] 'beginning-of-line)
(global-set-key [end] 'end-of-line)
(global-set-key [C-home] 'beginning-of-buffer)
(global-set-key [C-end] 'end-of-buffer)
(global-set-key [S-delete] 'clipboard-kill-region)
(global-set-key [S-insert] 'clipboard-yank)
(global-set-key [C-insert] 'clipboard-kill-ring-save)
(global-set-key [S-right] 'set-mark-command)
(global-set-key [f1]  'goto-line)   ; goto line
(global-set-key [delete]  'delete-char) ; delete character under
cursor
(global-set-key [f4]  'indent-three-spaces) ; indent 3 spaces
(global-set-key [f8]  'kill-current-line)   ; delete current line
(global-set-key [?\C-z] 'undo); added here because I usually do kills by
mistake
(global-set-key "\C-x\C-j" 'goto-line) ; Command prompts for linenumber
to go to.

It says 

Invalid (FSF Emacs) key format (see doc of define-key): C-home

I can hand-fix some of these, but I have a lot of .el files and it seems
absurd to me to do this for all of them. Also, I would be glad if you
can share a solution that will make the .emacs files useable for both
EMACS and XEMACS (if that's possible).

Thanks,

Ionutz


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Re: Can emacs and xemacs coexist?

[Keith Beattie]

Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, shaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > By the way, how can I tell the aliases in my .bashrc to work only when I am 
> > using X (I don't need xemacs -geometry 87x28 when I am not using X) ?
> 
> Use a function such as
> 
> xemacs() {
>   if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
> command xemacs -geometry 87x28 "$@"
>   else
> command xemacs "$@"
>   fi
> }
> 

I believe that this could also be accomplished (in a simpler but less
interesting way) by setting the geometry resource in your ~/.Xdefaults
file.  Something like the line "emacs.geometry: 87x28", though I
double check that.

HTH,
Keith


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Re: Can emacs and xemacs coexist?

[Christian Weisgerber]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, shaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> By the way, how can I tell the aliases in my .bashrc to work only when I am 
> using X (I don't need xemacs -geometry 87x28 when I am not using X) ?

Use a function such as

xemacs() {
  if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
command xemacs -geometry 87x28 "$@"
  else
command xemacs "$@"
  fi
}

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Re: Can emacs and xemacs coexist?

[shaul]

You can use xemacs in a VT.

> I've got xemacs installed on my stable Debian 1.3.1, and it works just fine,
> but I want to use emacs for file viewing and manipulation in a normal
> console because I don't like vi. I tried to install emacs in dselect but it
> tells me I have to take components of xemacs out, because they conflict. Is
> this a small conflict that would be OK to force using dpkg, or do I have to
> choose between them?

By the way, how can I tell the aliases in my .bashrc to work only when I am 
using X (I don't need xemacs -geometry 87x28 when I am not using X) ?


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Re: Can emacs and xemacs coexist?

[Keith Beattie]

Tristan Day wrote:

> I've got xemacs installed on my stable Debian 1.3.1, and it works just fine,
> but I want to use emacs for file viewing and manipulation in a normal
> console because I don't like vi. I tried to install emacs in dselect but it
> tells me I have to take components of xemacs out, because they conflict. Is
> this a small conflict that would be OK to force using dpkg, or do I have to
> choose between them?
> 

xemacs (when run with the -nw flag) will run in a normal console as
you desire.

HTH,
Keith


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Re: Can emacs and xemacs coexist?

[David Z. Maze]

Tristan Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
TD> I've got xemacs installed on my stable Debian 1.3.1, and it works
TD> just fine, but I want to use emacs for file viewing and
TD> manipulation in a normal console because I don't like vi. I tried
TD> to install emacs in dselect but it tells me I have to take
TD> components of xemacs out, because they conflict. Is this a small
TD> conflict that would be OK to force using dpkg, or do I have to
TD> choose between them?

I can't answer your question directly, but:

-- You _can_ use xemacs on the console; try "xemacs file".
-- Debian 2.0 deals with this properly, and if everything works
   properly you can have no less than four Emacsen simultaneously
   present on your system, and they'll all work properly.

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Can emacs and xemacs coexist?

[Tristan Day]

I've got xemacs installed on my stable Debian 1.3.1, and it works just fine,
but I want to use emacs for file viewing and manipulation in a normal
console because I don't like vi. I tried to install emacs in dselect but it
tells me I have to take components of xemacs out, because they conflict. Is
this a small conflict that would be OK to force using dpkg, or do I have to
choose between them?

Thanks,

Tristan




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Re: Emacs and Xemacs

[Alair Pereira do Lago]

Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Actually, you can. It depends which versions you use. But I'm not sure if it
> is possible with 1.3, ...

In bo, they conflict.  If you do not mind, install both with force options.
They overlap in some exec utils like ctags, etc.  Not a real trouble.  Install
later the one you would like to be completely OK.

In hamm, they do not conflict anymore.

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Re: Emacs and Xemacs

[Marcus Brinkmann]

Actually, you can. It depends which versions you use. But I'm not sure if it
is possible with 1.3, ...

On Mon, Oct 13, 1997 at 05:54:16PM -0400, Daniel Howe wrote:
>
> Hi you can not install both, I think is because it uses same resources or
> something like that.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Chi Wong wrote:
> 
> > Is there a way to install emacs and xemacs on debian. I can't install both
> > because it conflicts with each other. There must be a way to have both on my
> > computer. 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
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Re: Emacs and Xemacs

[Daniel Howe]

Hi you can not install both, I think is because it uses same resources or
something like that.


On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Chi Wong wrote:

> Is there a way to install emacs and xemacs on debian. I can't install both
> because it conflicts with each other. There must be a way to have both on my
> computer. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Emacs and Xemacs

[Chi Wong]

Is there a way to install emacs and xemacs on debian. I can't install both
because it conflicts with each other. There must be a way to have both on my
computer. 

Thanks


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Re: Emacs and Xemacs on same system

[joost witteveen]

> I know I have read something about the possibility of running emacs and
> xemacs on the same system, but at that time I did not consider trying it
> out.  
> 
> Is it possible?  

Yes.

> If so, how do I get around dselect's refusal to install both?

Use the versions from ``unstable'', they don't conflict.


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Emacs and Xemacs on same system

[Johann Spies]

I know I have read something about the possibility of running emacs and
xemacs on the same system, but at that time I did not consider trying it
out.  

Is it possible?  If so, how do I get around dselect's refusal to install
both?

Johann.


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Re: emacs and xemacs

[Jonas Bofjall]

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Paul Miller wrote:

> I just installed Debian 1.3.1 and it wouldn't let me install emacs AND
> xemacs... one or the other.  How can I get both on my system?

Most probably you don't want both of them. XEmacs has more features than
GNU Emacs (if running under X), but hogs system resources even more. In
text mode, they're equivalent. Personally, I have a Pentium with 32 MB RAM
so I use XEmacs. Makes the GNUSCAPE (w3el) browser very good.

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Re: emacs and xemacs

[Alair Pereira do Lago]

Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I just installed Debian 1.3.1 and it wouldn't let me install emacs AND
> xemacs... one or the other.  How can I get both on my system?

The cleaner way is to install the new versions from hamm.

You can also install xemacs then install emacs with dpkg --force-conflicts and
they will work (some bin utilities of xemacs will be overwritten, like ctags)

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emacs and xemacs

[Paul Miller]

I just installed Debian 1.3.1 and it wouldn't let me install emacs AND
xemacs... one or the other.  How can I get both on my system?

-Paul


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Re: Emacs and XEmacs

[Paul Seelig]

On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Esa Turtiainen wrote:

> I'd like to use both Emacs and XEmacs at the same time. Are there
> plans to allow this in the future. I have heard that people have
> patched this to work.
> 
Extract the binary data files from all needed xemacs*.deb or emacs*.deb
files with
ar p packetname.deb data.tar.gz >packetname.tar.gz

and install the wanted version manually under the /usr/local/ hierarchy,
which is left alone for your private purposes. Works quite well here at my
box.
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Emacs and XEmacs

[Esa Turtiainen]

Hi,

I'd like to use both Emacs and XEmacs at the same time. Are there
plans to allow this in the future. I have heard that people have
patched this to work.

Esa

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