Re: email threat
On Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 11:52:30AM -0700, Britton Kerin wrote: When the leader or representative of a group is stigmatized as a dangerous gun nut this rubs off on the rest of the group, so please be careful what you say. Ah, but this is one of the reasons why the open source / free software movement is so interesting: there is no clear leader and there never can be. There can be (and certianlly are) those who are able to describe the movement, but none that could claim to lead it. I'm reminded of that 'herding cats' analogy to managing programmers... :) Just so long as it is still 'free' and people are willing to work on it, the loudest voice the free software community will ever have is the software itself, good or bad. This freedom gives it the tremendiously unique property of being immune to: bad press, good press, bad leaders, good leaders, bullets, monopolies, law suits, etc. ksb
Re: email threat
On 5 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ESR wrote:]
Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like
that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize
the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally --
and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
I think that most people in the Linux community will find this behaviour
objectionable in the extreme. If ESR wanted to rally people round in his
defense ('understand my job', etc.), he's just taken one of his many
firearms and shot himself in the foot.
It's fairly obvious who is 'behav[ing] like [a] disruptive asshole,' and
'jeopardiz[ing] the interests of our entire tribe.'
-thomas
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Re: email threat
On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 10:48:42PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I received the following threat in e-mail from Eric Raymond. The message is this for-real? -vinny
Re: email threat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit: Today I received the following threat in e-mail from Eric Raymond. The message was copied to the Silicon Valley Linux User's Group officers, who you may consult regarding its authenticity. The police have been notified. Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely. Forgive my ignorance here (and my curiousity) but just ... who is Eric Raymond, and who are you (or what you've done/said) so that he threatens you? Regards Horacio -- Claves - GnuPG/PGP - Keys : http://www.rediris.es/cert/keyserver o/or Envía un mensaje vacío a [EMAIL PROTECTED] con la línea de asunto: Send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject line: Tipo de Clave/Key Type Asunto:/Subject: DSA/ElGamal fetch dsa/elgamal DSS/Diffie-Hellman fetch dh/dss RSA fetch rsa
Re: email threat
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forgive my ignorance here (and my curiousity) but just ... who is Eric Raymond, and who are you (or what you've done/said) so that he threatens you? I'm tempted to say he's just a nut, but he's the head of the Open Source Initiative. What annoyed him is that I cricicized the Apple license. The full text of the threatening email can be found at http://perens.com/Articles/Threat.html . Thanks Bruce
Re: email threat
bruce writes: Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely. And quotes: Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step. While this is certainly objectionable, it is not a threat of violence. Notifying the police is totally unjustified. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
Re: email threat
On 5 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forgive my ignorance here (and my curiousity) but just ... who is Eric Raymond, and who are you (or what you've done/said) so that he threatens you? I'm tempted to say he's just a nut, but he's the head of the Open Source Initiative. What annoyed him is that I cricicized the Apple license. The full text of the threatening email can be found at http://perens.com/Articles/Threat.html . Is the quote below what pissed him off? He does say that you singled him out whereas the decision, he says, was made by the entire board of 5 members. I gather that there's more to it all. Eric is right that the entire board isn't mentioned as having made the decision, but on the other hand, I think it's worded quite politely and sincerely. Bruce's open letter stated: We also regret to note that that Eric Raymond, with the best of intentions, jumped a little too fast to embrace the APSL in his enthusiasm to welcome Apple to our community. He placed the Open Source designation on a license that wasn't quite ready for that. We invite Eric and other members of the Free Software community to join us in requesting the few simple changes to the APSL that we have outlined in this letter. ...RickM...
Re: email threat
Bruce, if you are actually in fear for your life the police are the right forum for this. It appears that you are trying to once again publicly defame Eric in front of the Linux community. This message is about embarrassment and character assassination hid beneath a patina of fear. Regardless of what your differences are with Eric this message should not have been posted to this list. -Ian On 5 Apr 1999, John Hasler wrote: bruce writes: Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely. And quotes: Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step. While this is certainly objectionable, it is not a threat of violence. Notifying the police is totally unjustified. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null __ Ian Setford [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP = F2 92 50 E3 CD D7 A2 D9 C4 CE 08 A6 98 E0 0F 58
Re: email threat
Regardless of what your differences are with Eric this message should not have been posted to this list. May I politely suggest that you reconsider that? Eric should not have written the letter to begin with. An apology to Bruce is long overdue. Every one of Bruce's criticisms of the APSL has been general, civil, and focused on the issues at hand. Eric's rebuttals and articles have been almost entirely ad-hominim, vituperative, and unrelated to the APSL. This is ugly, yes, but Eric should realize by now that he can not assume that his communications with Bruce will remain private, especially if they contain threats made in the name of our entire tribe. Read the full text of the letter. The most ominous part of it is the quote at the end. Let's all hope, for the sake of civil discourse, that it was auto-generated. If it was, then Eric needs to prune his .sig/fortune file, and we can drop this and move on. Full text of message: http://perens.com/Articles/Threat.html Ed
Re: email threat
Ed Slocomb writes: The most ominous part of it is the quote at the end. Let's all hope, for the sake of civil discourse, that it was auto-generated. It almost certainly was. Eric has some sort of random sig generator. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
email threat withdrawn
Eric says he only meant to threaten me with defamation of character, not with any kind of violence. Thus, I think I'll just let this issue drop now. Thanks Bruce
Re: email threat
I have two things to say about this, or maybe three:
1) Am I the only one that is tired of hearing about the bickering between
these two? and on a Debian-user list? and on a public mailing list?
2) If the authorities have been notified - fine, leave us out of it.
3) Don't make judgements until you know the whole story (and, no, I don't).
A clip here, a snippet there, an you can make anyone believe anything you
want them to.
-Jay
In a message dated Mon, 5 Apr 1999 7:16:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thomas
lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 5 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ESR wrote:]
Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like
that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize
the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally --
and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
I think that most people in the Linux community will find this behaviour
objectionable in the extreme. If ESR wanted to rally people round in his
defense ('understand my job', etc.), he's just taken one of his many
firearms and shot himself in the foot.
It's fairly obvious who is 'behav[ing] like [a] disruptive asshole,' and
'jeopardiz[ing] the interests of our entire tribe.'
Re: email threat
I'm tempted to say he's just a nut, but he's the head of the Open Source Initiative. What annoyed him is that I cricicized the Apple license. The full text of the threatening email can be found at http://perens.com/Articles/Threat.html . I hope you two can work out your differences before someone posts the full text of this on slash-dot or someother public linux place. This sounds like just the kind of thing that Bill Gates would like to get his hand on. === Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: email threat
bruce writes: Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely. And quotes: Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step. While this is certainly objectionable, it is not a threat of violence. Notifying the police is totally unjustified. True. And however objectionable it may be it was at least private. Now we have notified not only the entire debian list of the scraggly side of two of our most prominent figures, but also the police as well? What happens when the press latches onto this one? Will we end up being looked at as a crazed bunch of high-tech Montana Freeman? When the leader or representative of a group is stigmatized as a dangerous gun nut this rubs off on the rest of the group, so please be careful what you say. And both you and Eric should know better than to assume that anything you say will remain private for long. You both have movie star status in software circles: more people know your names than don't. I suggest to both of you that you refrain from writing *anything* as inflammatory as either of the messages in your latest exchange, public or private. Britton
email threat
Today I received the following threat in e-mail from Eric Raymond. The message was copied to the Silicon Valley Linux User's Group officers, who you may consult regarding its authenticity. The police have been notified. Because I know that Eric is a firearms enthusiast, for my own protection, I feel the best strategy is for me to publicize the threat widely. Thanks Bruce Perens Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step.
