Re: midi software

1997-10-04 Thread Ed Slocomb
David Stern wrote:
 
 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to
know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.
 
I've AWE32 soundblaster card.  I'd like to know what driver do I
need.  Currently,  my Debian/Linux box can not play any sound and
I guessed that I do not have the driver for the soundcard.  So, I
would like to know how do I go about install the driver.
 
Thanks!
 
 First you need to get sound working, then you can see about midi progs.

Indeed.
 
 To get sound working,..
 
  If you have the non-Plug-n-Play, you should be able to just compile
  sound into your kernel.  (might need the awedrv kernel patch, below)

Do get the AWE patch.  Be advised that the debian installation
scripts do not actually apply the patch (from deselect, e.g.)-- you will
have to run the script in /usr/src/awedrv manually before recompiling 
your kernel.

  If you have the Plug n Play version of the awe32, you can either..
 
get the commercial OSS Commercial driver for $20 (a five day free

They price is actually $30 if you include the $10 (50% !) markup 
for AWE suport.

trial) at some web address I forget, something like
www.4front-tech.com, (and then you're all done, no patches) or..
 
[ ...recompile kernel ]
 
 I don't have a keyboard recently, so I haven't got any tips on programs
 that would interest you.  Try a search for 'rose' and 'octave' in
 dselect, though.
 
My current favorite source of sound software links is:

http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_soundapps.html

The page, like Linux, is more for the technician than the musician, so 
don't expect to find a lot of instructional software.

Some bad news:

1) Only a tiny fraction of the available sound software has been
packaged 
for Debian, partially because:

2) Sound applications for Linux have much lower ratio of free software
to 
commercial or restricted software than you might be used to.  Many are
ports from other unices, especially Irix and NextStep.  The licences
tend
to be of the academic and/or free until you need it for a commercial
purpose, whereupon it will cost you plenty type.  A lot of this
software is also really
neat.

3) The AWE driver written by Takashi Iwai does not, as far as I can
tell,
support the OSS API (e.g.: playmidi and jazz do not work when configured
to use 
external midi and OSS/Free, respectively).  I haven't been able to
figure out
whether or not OSS/Free will fully suport the AWE driver in future
stable 
releases.  I have heard that support is included in version of OSS/Free 
distributed in the current development kernels, but I was under the
impression
that this support amounted only to the inclusion of Takashi's driver.  I
don't
have the latest word on any of this, though.  Does anyone else have
rumors to
share?  Has anyone used the AWE drivers newer than 0.3.3c?  Do the OSS
people
have an NDA with Creative Labs?
Programs that use the OSS midi API will all have to be altered to use
your card.  There are fixes available for some software (plymidi,
timidity), 
but no debian packages of the patched programs are available. 

No offense to Takashi Iwai is meant here-- quite the contrary.  That
he managed to write a driver based on what little information was
available is
pretty amazing.


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Re: midi software

1997-10-02 Thread Will Lowe
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:

 Hi,
 
   I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
   know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.

Well,  the rosegarden sequencer/music notation package is pretty nifty,
but it not a piano tutorial;  it's geared more for writing/sequenceing
music.

   I've AWE32 soundblaster card.  I'd like to know what driver do
   need.  Currently,  my Debian/Linux box can not play any sound and
   I guessed that I do not have the driver for the soundcard.  So, I
   would like to know how do I go about install the driver.

cd /usr/src/linux
make menuconfig

then select the SOUND options and follow the directions.

Will

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Re: midi software

1997-10-02 Thread Britton

On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Will Lowe wrote:

 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
 
  Hi,
  
I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.
 
 Well,  the rosegarden sequencer/music notation package is pretty nifty,
 but it not a piano tutorial;  it's geared more for writing/sequenceing
 music.
 
I've AWE32 soundblaster card.  I'd like to know what driver do
need.  Currently,  my Debian/Linux box can not play any sound and
I guessed that I do not have the driver for the soundcard.  So, I
would like to know how do I go about install the driver.
 
 cd /usr/src/linux
 make menuconfig
 
 then select the SOUND options and follow the directions.

In addition to this, you will probably want to get the awe driver.  The
non-commercial version is beta at this point, but it at least compiled for
me.  Trouble is, most (all?) awe cards are PnP, and you can't compile this
driver in as a module yet, so you have to use initrd.  I havn't figured
out how to do this yet, but it looks like it should work.


 
   Will
 
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Re: midi software

1997-10-02 Thread Egon Schmid
What is the relation between 'octave' and MIDI?

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On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David Stern wrote:
 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.
 I don't have a keyboard recently, so I haven't got any tips on programs
 that would interest you.  Try a search for 'rose' and 'octave' in
 dselect, though. 
 
 David Stern


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Re: midi software

1997-10-02 Thread Will Lowe
On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Egon Schmid wrote:

 What is the relation between 'octave' and MIDI?

There isn't one:  octave is a math package,  and MIDI is a music
instrument/computer interface standard.
Will

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Re: midi software

1997-10-02 Thread Britton

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Egon Schmid wrote:

 What is the relation between 'octave' and MIDI?

I think nil.  octave is a very nice matrix math programming language (ala
MATLAB, infact m file compatible with MATLAB for the most part).  It was
named for the proffessor of it's author, and has no relation to midi
sound.

 Es geht auch anders, doch es geht auch so. (Berthold Brecht 
 Dreigroschenoper)
  Egon Schmid, Grueninger Str. 6, 70599 Stuttgart
  Voice +49 711 453721 Data +49 711 453721 Fax +49 711 453721
 
 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David Stern wrote:
  On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
 I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
 know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.
  I don't have a keyboard recently, so I haven't got any tips on programs
  that would interest you.  Try a search for 'rose' and 'octave' in
  dselect, though. 
  
  David Stern
 
 
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Re: midi software

1997-10-02 Thread David Stern
On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Egon Schmid wrote:

 What is the relation between 'octave' and MIDI?

Apparently none, I'm afraid.

There were two midi programs in my mind.  One had rose in it, which we
now know is rosegarden.  There was another, which I thought had a music
term, and octave was what popped into my mind, but somebody said that
was a math package, so I guess I was mistaken about that.  I don't know
what the other package is. 

I apologize for the misdirection.

David Stern

 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David Stern wrote:
  On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
 I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
 know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.
  I don't have a keyboard recently, so I haven't got any tips on programs
  that would interest you.  Try a search for 'rose' and 'octave' in
  dselect, though. 
  
  David Stern


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midi software

1997-10-01 Thread Timothy Phan
Hi,

  I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
  know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.

  I've AWE32 soundblaster card.  I'd like to know what driver do I
  need.  Currently,  my Debian/Linux box can not play any sound and
  I guessed that I do not have the driver for the soundcard.  So, I
  would like to know how do I go about install the driver.

  Thanks!


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Re: midi software

1997-10-01 Thread David Stern
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:

 Hi,
 
   I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
   know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.
 
   I've AWE32 soundblaster card.  I'd like to know what driver do I
   need.  Currently,  my Debian/Linux box can not play any sound and
   I guessed that I do not have the driver for the soundcard.  So, I
   would like to know how do I go about install the driver.
 
   Thanks!

First you need to get sound working, then you can see about midi progs. 

To get sound working,..  

 If you have the non-Plug-n-Play, you should be able to just compile
 sound into your kernel.  (might need the awedrv kernel patch, below)

 If you have the Plug n Play version of the awe32, you can either..

   get the commercial OSS Commercial driver for $20 (a five day free
   trial) at some web address I forget, something like
   www.4front-tech.com, (and then you're all done, no patches) or..

   configure your Plug n Play devices by either.. 

  switching to loadlin bootloader (if your bios does Plun n Play
  initialization), or..

  get a plug n play initializer like isapnptools (should be in
  dselect), configure it (time-consuming), then..

 recompile your kernel after adding the awedrv patch (also in
 dselect, you need to run an install script in /usr/src/awedrv
 to apply the patch). 

I don't have a keyboard recently, so I haven't got any tips on programs
that would interest you.  Try a search for 'rose' and 'octave' in
dselect, though. 

David Stern


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Re: midi software

1997-10-01 Thread Britton

On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David Stern wrote:

 On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
 
  Hi,
  
I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.
  
I've AWE32 soundblaster card.  I'd like to know what driver do I
need.  Currently,  my Debian/Linux box can not play any sound and
I guessed that I do not have the driver for the soundcard.  So, I
would like to know how do I go about install the driver.
  
Thanks!
 
 First you need to get sound working, then you can see about midi progs. 
 
 To get sound working,..  
 
  If you have the non-Plug-n-Play, you should be able to just compile
  sound into your kernel.  (might need the awedrv kernel patch, below)
 
  If you have the Plug n Play version of the awe32, you can either..
 
get the commercial OSS Commercial driver for $20 (a five day free
trial) at some web address I forget, something like
www.4front-tech.com, (and then you're all done, no patches) or..
 
configure your Plug n Play devices by either.. 
 
   switching to loadlin bootloader (if your bios does Plun n Play
   initialization), or..
 
   get a plug n play initializer like isapnptools (should be in
   dselect), configure it (time-consuming), then..
 
  recompile your kernel after adding the awedrv patch (also in
  dselect, you need to run an install script in /usr/src/awedrv
  to apply the patch). 
 
 I don't have a keyboard recently, so I haven't got any tips on programs
 that would interest you.  Try a search for 'rose' and 'octave' in
 dselect, though. 

octave is probably not what you want, cool and froody though it is.
octave is a MATLAB clone.  A good one too.

 
 David Stern
 
 
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