Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
Celejar wrote: It's more powerful and can do anything that apt-get can What are the aptitude equivalents of sudo apt-get build-dep texmacs apt-get source grep , and in my experience, Synaptic's GUI doesn't add much value, and you can use aptitude in interactive mode. I like synaptic's GUI much better than aptitude's ncurses interface. If I want to see all the packages whose names start with vim, In synaptic all I do is type vim. I could not find a simple way of doing this in aptitude. For me, the default menu structure is too cumbersome to traverse. I am not trying to berate aptitude here, just highlighting some of my inconveniences. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Celejar wrote: It's more powerful and can do anything that apt-get can What are the aptitude equivalents of sudo apt-get build-dep texmacs apt-get source grep Good question. , and in my experience, Synaptic's GUI doesn't add much value, and you can use aptitude in interactive mode. I like synaptic's GUI much better than aptitude's ncurses interface. If I want to see all the packages whose names start with vim, In synaptic all I do is type vim. I could not find a simple way of doing this in aptitude. For me, the default menu structure is too cumbersome to traverse. I am not trying to berate aptitude here, just highlighting some of my inconveniences. I think the best solution is for someone to make a gui front end for Aptitiude instead of apt-get. I won't be trying something like that, it's just an idea. Just remember though, upgrading X packages while running X is just asking for troubles. That's probably why so many of the tools are text based. I am super paranoid about it since it bit me before. I always make sure X isn't running when I upgrade anything. It makes me use the console more, which is only a good thing. Typing: vi file.txt is faster than opening a file manager and navigating to it then right clicking on it and saying edit. Roberto is right, and with bash autocompletion, it is really a snap. Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGFKPYiXBCVWpc5J4RAmdSAJ99+LITJMjjQ24Gsey+pXVAX/bDngCeNdBu gu7fBzayiANYskhD4Z4hVbg= =pfSU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:28:26 +0200 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Atis wrote: You can use both, but you will confuse aptitude in the process. Aptitude keeps a database so that it knows which packages it pulled in as dependencies so it can remove them when you remove a package (so long as no other package is using them). If you pull things in with any other package manager, be it apt-get, synaptic, adept, gdebi or kpackage, aptitude will not know about the dependencies that those package managers installed and could present problems the next time you use aptitude because it may remove things that other programs need. To sum it up, the best advice is to use aptitude exclusively if you plan on using it at all. Isn't it the way around? That aptitude keeps track of packages that are installed automatically, as dependencies, and if you uninstall something, it checks if those dependencies can be removed? Logically thinking, it would be that. I use synaptics together with aptitude and haven't had any problems with that. Then luck has been with you. I believe Joe is correct; Synaptic and apt-get work fine together, but they will both confuse aptitude, which maintains more sophisticated dependency tracking than they do. Either use apt-get / Synaptic, or go with aptitude. Aptitude, IMO, is the better choice. It's more powerful and can do anything that apt-get can, and in my experience, Synaptic's GUI doesn't add much value, and you can use aptitude in interactive mode. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Sometime before, I read on this list that it is unwise to mix apt-get and aptitude. By mix, I mean using apt-get one time and aptitude another time. The reason given was that both of them use different databases. Is this true for synaptic and aptitude as well? Can I use synaptic sometimes and aptitude some other times? Any ideas? I am using Etch (testing) if it matters. There was a long discussion about this, as you recall. The results are summarised on the NewbieDOC wiki [1]. Basically, you run # aptitude install -sf to see whether Aptitude is confused. If so, run a fix. The global fix is # aptitude keep-all [1] http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get HTH, -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:20:12 -0400 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Celejar wrote: It's more powerful and can do anything that apt-get can What are the aptitude equivalents of sudo apt-get build-dep texmacs Interesting point. Google found this: http://p12n.org/hacks/aptitude-build-dep apt-get source grep Anyway, apparently I was wrong; aptitude can't do quite everything that apt-get can. Live and learn ... , and in my experience, Synaptic's GUI doesn't add much value, and you can use aptitude in interactive mode. I like synaptic's GUI much better than aptitude's ncurses interface. If I want to see all the packages whose names start with vim, In synaptic all I do is type vim. I could not find a simple way of doing this in aptitude. What about '/' (opens the regex search bar) followed by '^vim' enter? For me, the default menu structure is too cumbersome to traverse. I am not trying to berate aptitude here, just highlighting some of my inconveniences. I know what you mean, but it doesn't take that long to get used to, and once you do you may like it. YMMV, of course. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:42:50PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:20:12 -0400 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like synaptic's GUI much better than aptitude's ncurses interface. If I want to see all the packages whose names start with vim, In synaptic all I do is type vim. I could not find a simple way of doing this in aptitude. What about '/' (opens the regex search bar) followed by '^vim' enter? You need to open a Flat Package List from the Views menu, then press 'l' to enter a 'Limit' regep. I usually do this from the shell, though: aptitude search '^vim' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
Andrew Malcolmson wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:42:50PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:20:12 -0400 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like synaptic's GUI much better than aptitude's ncurses interface. If I want to see all the packages whose names start with vim, In synaptic all I do is type vim. I could not find a simple way of doing this in aptitude. What about '/' (opens the regex search bar) followed by '^vim' enter? You need to open a Flat Package List from the Views menu, then press 'l' to enter a 'Limit' regep. I usually do this from the shell, though: aptitude search '^vim' Both the methods work. Thanks for pointing it out. One less annoyance with aptitude. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
Chris Lale wrote: There was a long discussion about this, as you recall. The results are summarised on the NewbieDOC wiki [1]. Basically, you run # aptitude install -sf to see whether Aptitude is confused. If so, run a fix. The global fix is # aptitude keep-all [1] http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get Thanks for the explanation and the link. It is helpful. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mixing syanptic and aptitude
Sometime before, I read on this list that it is unwise to mix apt-get and aptitude. By mix, I mean using apt-get one time and aptitude another time. The reason given was that both of them use different databases. Is this true for synaptic and aptitude as well? Can I use synaptic sometimes and aptitude some other times? Any ideas? I am using Etch (testing) if it matters. thanks raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometime before, I read on this list that it is unwise to mix apt-get and aptitude. By mix, I mean using apt-get one time and aptitude another time. The reason given was that both of them use different databases. Is this true for synaptic and aptitude as well? Can I use synaptic sometimes and aptitude some other times? Any ideas? I think the problem with apt-get and aptitude was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411123 which seems to be fixed in etch. About synaptic vs. aptitude I don't know, maybe you will have to try it out ;) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Sometime before, I read on this list that it is unwise to mix apt-get and aptitude. By mix, I mean using apt-get one time and aptitude another time. The reason given was that both of them use different databases. Is this true for synaptic and aptitude as well? Can I use synaptic sometimes and aptitude some other times? Any ideas? I am using Etch (testing) if it matters. thanks raju You can use both, but you will confuse aptitude in the process. Aptitude keeps a database so that it knows which packages it pulled in as dependencies so it can remove them when you remove a package (so long as no other package is using them). If you pull things in with any other package manager, be it apt-get, synaptic, adept, gdebi or kpackage, aptitude will not know about the dependencies that those package managers installed and could present problems the next time you use aptitude because it may remove things that other programs need. To sum it up, the best advice is to use aptitude exclusively if you plan on using it at all. Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGE/8miXBCVWpc5J4RAtIiAKCFdkYBWMarMTBkKMhmPPgZyxFPMwCfaw0x jOoFYw2BGQPV34SkTGk3+sM= =ePX7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
You can use both, but you will confuse aptitude in the process. Aptitude keeps a database so that it knows which packages it pulled in as dependencies so it can remove them when you remove a package (so long as no other package is using them). If you pull things in with any other package manager, be it apt-get, synaptic, adept, gdebi or kpackage, aptitude will not know about the dependencies that those package managers installed and could present problems the next time you use aptitude because it may remove things that other programs need. To sum it up, the best advice is to use aptitude exclusively if you plan on using it at all. Isn't it the way around? That aptitude keeps track of packages that are installed automatically, as dependencies, and if you uninstall something, it checks if those dependencies can be removed? Logically thinking, it would be that. I use synaptics together with aptitude and haven't had any problems with that. Regards, atis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Atis wrote: You can use both, but you will confuse aptitude in the process. Aptitude keeps a database so that it knows which packages it pulled in as dependencies so it can remove them when you remove a package (so long as no other package is using them). If you pull things in with any other package manager, be it apt-get, synaptic, adept, gdebi or kpackage, aptitude will not know about the dependencies that those package managers installed and could present problems the next time you use aptitude because it may remove things that other programs need. To sum it up, the best advice is to use aptitude exclusively if you plan on using it at all. Isn't it the way around? That aptitude keeps track of packages that are installed automatically, as dependencies, and if you uninstall something, it checks if those dependencies can be removed? Logically thinking, it would be that. I use synaptics together with aptitude and haven't had any problems with that. Then luck has been with you. Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGFIj6iXBCVWpc5J4RAo8rAKCeJCa9KzCNwGEFAxwyXDhIE6LUagCdEPS5 b/OF+wf83RFLhoW7Y/ANSUU= =aREV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
