Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:04 AM, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jesse Sheidlower wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:00:20PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> Is anybody using pulseaudio in Debian? I am interested to know what is > >> its status in Debian Sid and Lenny. If somebody has been successful in > >> installing and running it, could you share your experience. > > > > I tried it some time ago and gave up in frustration, but > > recently gave it another try. I was specifically trying to > > solve the problem of USB audio: different apps seemed to have > > different ways of dealing with this, so I couldn't just plug > > in USB speakers and go, I had to do one thing for the system > > as a whole, then a different thing in one sound program, then > > another thing for blah blah blah. > > > > The PA installation and setup was a bit of a drag, though I > > followed detailed instructions online. And now that it's > > working, it's perfect; everything Just Works. There are a few > > minor problems I'm having but on the whole I'm glad I did it. > > > > Jesse Sheidlower > > > > > > > Having read what people posted, it appears that pulseaudio is on the > right track. In this thread, only Paul has discouraged its use and > Preston is having trouble (appears to be a hardware problem), and two > others are having a ball of a time with pa. > > So if it works, it is wonderful. If it doesn't, it is a pain to get > working. Moreover, it has networked sound. So I can play a movie on my > media PC in my home lan over at my laptop -- if I understand pa correctly. > > Now if somebody can describe the steps which are fairly reliable to get > it to work on a Debian machine, I might give it another shot in the not > too distant future when I get some time. > > Regards. > > > -- > > Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding > newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just > filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without > ever having been read. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Well, count me in for having problems with PA...using F8 on my laptop (not cheap HW at all) with PA gave me problems with flash, skype, and one day after soem update all my sound just died...all i had to do was yum remove pulseaudio and now all's ok :) On F9 and rawhide the problems disappeared partially...but I agree totally with the fact that if your hardware is ok, ALSA works with multiple streams just fine.
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
On Wed,15.Oct.08, 17:04:27, H.S. wrote: > Having read what people posted, it appears that pulseaudio is on the > right track. In this thread, only Paul has discouraged its use and > Preston is having trouble (appears to be a hardware problem), and two > others are having a ball of a time with pa. I've had issues with sound on the machine using pa but I have reason to believe it's rather the hardware/sound drivers. I don't use it for local sound. Even if it would probably work, it is an additional level of complexity I don't really need, since all my apps work fine with alsa+dmix. > So if it works, it is wonderful. If it doesn't, it is a pain to get > working. Moreover, it has networked sound. So I can play a movie on my > media PC in my home lan over at my laptop -- if I understand pa correctly. > Now if somebody can describe the steps which are fairly reliable to > get > it to work on a Debian machine, I might give it another shot in the not > too distant future when I get some time. As usual, you should start by reading /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian, but here is a quick setup: on the server machine uncomment the line load-module module-native-protocol-tcp in /etc/pulse/default.pa and run 'pulseaudio --daemonize' as a user who is a member of the 'pulse-rt' group. On the client machine copy the file .pulse-cookie to the home of the user(s) needing network sound and create a .pulse/clientrc with: default-server=tcp:192.168.xx.xx (the IP of the server of course). Then you'll have to configure each app to use pulse. AIUI there are ways to share the cookie using X (avoid the 'copy cookie' step needed each time you restart pulseaudio on the server machine) and to create a pseudo-alsa-device to reroute the sound to pulse (avoid configuring each client app, should also work with clients that don't support pulse). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 05:04:27PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > Jesse Sheidlower wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:00:20PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> Is anybody using pulseaudio in Debian? I am interested to know what is > >> its status in Debian Sid and Lenny. If somebody has been successful in > >> installing and running it, could you share your experience. > > > > I tried it some time ago and gave up in frustration, but > > recently gave it another try. I was specifically trying to > > solve the problem of USB audio: different apps seemed to have > > different ways of dealing with this, so I couldn't just plug > > in USB speakers and go, I had to do one thing for the system > > as a whole, then a different thing in one sound program, then > > another thing for blah blah blah. > > > > The PA installation and setup was a bit of a drag, though I > > followed detailed instructions online. And now that it's > > working, it's perfect; everything Just Works. There are a few > > minor problems I'm having but on the whole I'm glad I did it. > > > > Jesse Sheidlower > > Having read what people posted, it appears that pulseaudio is on the > right track. In this thread, only Paul has discouraged its use and > Preston is having trouble (appears to be a hardware problem), and two > others are having a ball of a time with pa. > > So if it works, it is wonderful. If it doesn't, it is a pain to get > working. Moreover, it has networked sound. So I can play a movie on my > media PC in my home lan over at my laptop -- if I understand pa correctly. > > Now if somebody can describe the steps which are fairly reliable to get > it to work on a Debian machine, I might give it another shot in the not > too distant future when I get some time. The two documents I found to be exceptionally helpful (used in combination) were an extensive Debian how-to at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 and PA's own docs at http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup Jesse Sheidlower -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
Jesse Sheidlower wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:00:20PM -0400, H.S. wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Is anybody using pulseaudio in Debian? I am interested to know what is >> its status in Debian Sid and Lenny. If somebody has been successful in >> installing and running it, could you share your experience. > > I tried it some time ago and gave up in frustration, but > recently gave it another try. I was specifically trying to > solve the problem of USB audio: different apps seemed to have > different ways of dealing with this, so I couldn't just plug > in USB speakers and go, I had to do one thing for the system > as a whole, then a different thing in one sound program, then > another thing for blah blah blah. > > The PA installation and setup was a bit of a drag, though I > followed detailed instructions online. And now that it's > working, it's perfect; everything Just Works. There are a few > minor problems I'm having but on the whole I'm glad I did it. > > Jesse Sheidlower > > Having read what people posted, it appears that pulseaudio is on the right track. In this thread, only Paul has discouraged its use and Preston is having trouble (appears to be a hardware problem), and two others are having a ball of a time with pa. So if it works, it is wonderful. If it doesn't, it is a pain to get working. Moreover, it has networked sound. So I can play a movie on my media PC in my home lan over at my laptop -- if I understand pa correctly. Now if somebody can describe the steps which are fairly reliable to get it to work on a Debian machine, I might give it another shot in the not too distant future when I get some time. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
Preston Boyington wrote: > H.S. wrote: > >> Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> >>> Right up until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, it's a severe pain to fix. >>> >> I noticed that in FC9, the sound was working quite smoothly even when >> the processor was quite busy (updating and installing stuff using yum). >> This was a surprise to me. With as busy processor in Debian, I usually >> get some sort an interruption in the sound. That prompted me to try out >> pulseaudio in Debian too. Soon discovered it is pretty cumbersome to >> install though. >> >> > > i'm dealing with this issue now. i REALLY want to have my system set up > so that multiple sound streams can play. Then PulseAudio is the wrong way to fix the problem. The right way is to get hardware that can do this. Playing multiple streams isn't exactly anything new, all but the very cheapest of the cheap supports playing multiple streams these days. This problem is most easily and reliably fixed in hardware, not software. > so how do i setup my system to play multiple streams with ALSA? i'm > sure it is being done by someone, but i couldn't find a simple guide to > do so before i started this Pulseaudio adventure. > If your hardware is capable of it, ALSA will do it right out of the box. Your problem using bare ALSA is that the hardware isn't capable in this case. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 08:07:55 -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: [...] > so how do i setup my system to play multiple streams with ALSA? i'm > sure it is being done by someone, but i couldn't find a simple guide to > do so before i started this Pulseaudio adventure. http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ#Can_I_use_several_applications_at_once_without_the_second_one_blocking.3F http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ#I_configured_dmix_but_still_get_unable_to_open_slave_or_Device_or_resource_busy http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Dmix -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 23:37:21 -0400, H.S. wrote: [...] > I noticed that in FC9, the sound was working quite smoothly even when > the processor was quite busy (updating and installing stuff using yum). > This was a surprise to me. With as busy processor in Debian, I usually > get some sort an interruption in the sound. That prompted me to try out > pulseaudio in Debian too. Soon discovered it is pretty cumbersome to > install though. Keep in mind that such differences in latency can also be caused by the kernel, specifically the I/O scheduler, the timer frequency and the preemption model. It is possible that the FC9 kernels are more aggressively optimized for low-latency desktops and multimedia applications. $ grep -E 'PREEMPT|_HZ|DEFAULT_IOSCHED' /boot/config-$(uname -r) CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="cfq" CONFIG_PREEMPT_NOTIFIERS=y CONFIG_NO_HZ=y # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT=y # CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU is not set # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set CONFIG_HZ_1000=y CONFIG_HZ=1000 CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT=y In my experience, CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="cfq", CONFIG_PREEMPT=y, and CONFIG_HZ=1000 help to decrease latency. The Debian stock kernels have CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y and CONFIG_HZ=250, which is why I compile my own kernels for desktop systems. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:00:20PM -0400, H.S. wrote: > Hello, > > Is anybody using pulseaudio in Debian? I am interested to know what is > its status in Debian Sid and Lenny. If somebody has been successful in > installing and running it, could you share your experience. I tried it some time ago and gave up in frustration, but recently gave it another try. I was specifically trying to solve the problem of USB audio: different apps seemed to have different ways of dealing with this, so I couldn't just plug in USB speakers and go, I had to do one thing for the system as a whole, then a different thing in one sound program, then another thing for blah blah blah. The PA installation and setup was a bit of a drag, though I followed detailed instructions online. And now that it's working, it's perfect; everything Just Works. There are a few minor problems I'm having but on the whole I'm glad I did it. Jesse Sheidlower -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
H.S. wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >>> >> Right up until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, it's a severe pain to fix. > > I noticed that in FC9, the sound was working quite smoothly even when > the processor was quite busy (updating and installing stuff using yum). > This was a surprise to me. With as busy processor in Debian, I usually > get some sort an interruption in the sound. That prompted me to try out > pulseaudio in Debian too. Soon discovered it is pretty cumbersome to > install though. > i'm dealing with this issue now. i REALLY want to have my system set up so that multiple sound streams can play. currently my base ALSA setup doesn't allow that and it's annoying to have to kill one program to hear another's sound. now that i have some more time i am planning on getting serious about finding a good solution. keep in mind that i wasn't concerned about sound initially so i was lumbering under the idea that Pulseaudio would be my saving grace... which has not happened. so how do i setup my system to play multiple streams with ALSA? i'm sure it is being done by someone, but i couldn't find a simple guide to do so before i started this Pulseaudio adventure. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
Paul Johnson wrote: >> > Right up until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, it's a severe pain to fix. I noticed that in FC9, the sound was working quite smoothly even when the processor was quite busy (updating and installing stuff using yum). This was a surprise to me. With as busy processor in Debian, I usually get some sort an interruption in the sound. That prompted me to try out pulseaudio in Debian too. Soon discovered it is pretty cumbersome to install though. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
H.S. wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >> A good way to needlessly complicate your audio setup especially if >> everything is working fine using the traditional ALSA approach. >> Pulseaudio also breaks voice and sometimes all sound support in Second >> Life despite claiming ESD compatibility. Pulse is not without major >> show stopping drawbacks that make it unsuitable for desktop use, and >> there doesn't seem to be any serious effort on part of pulse partisans >> to fix the situation anytime soon. Pulseaudio is unsuitable for the >> > > Yes, I noticed that too with all the config files editing a user has to > go through to even attempt to see if it has started to work. > > >> desktop, and I hope it doesn't ever make it into the default desktop >> install until there's damn good reason for it to be there. >> > > Man, you really dislike pa! :) > > I dislike all sound daemons used without good need. There's nothing so showstoppingly wrong that you can't just use ALSA unless you have software that actually needs the functionality provided by a sound daemon. Save for that usage case, there's really not a point to use any of them. Pulseaudio is a particularly thorny issue for me because too often I hear people complaining about sound in Linux. Frequently, after a little investigation, it turns out that their distribution installed Pulse by default. And Pulse has broken sound for whatever program they're having problem's with. Good example: Second Life. The problem is still present, but less pronounced in the Debianized version, omvviewer[1], likely because vivox is non-free and thus voice support is not included (and anything vivox based seems to be it's own little joy to make work in it's own right in Linux). > I guess I will leave it for now. Though FC9 has it and it seems to work > Right up until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, it's a severe pain to fix. [1] There's trademark issues involved with this package, a-la the Iceweasel situation. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:00 AM, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Is anybody using pulseaudio in Debian? I am interested to know what is > its status in Debian Sid and Lenny. If somebody has been successful in > installing and running it, could you share your experience. > > By the way, Fedora uses pulseaudio (FC8 and FC9). It looks like it works > very well there. Would love to try it out on my Debian Unstable and > Testing machines. I am using Sid, and have been using PA for months now. At first some things didn't work with it, but now everything is fine, from music and media players (xmms2, Amarok 1.x and 2, mplayer, xine and vlc) to flash (I am using v10), to games, including Quake 3 and Wine games. Before PA I sometimes had issues with sound, especially flash, either alone or even more if flash started to play while something else played sound. I haven't had those issues since I started using PA. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
Paul Johnson wrote: > A good way to needlessly complicate your audio setup especially if > everything is working fine using the traditional ALSA approach. > Pulseaudio also breaks voice and sometimes all sound support in Second > Life despite claiming ESD compatibility. Pulse is not without major > show stopping drawbacks that make it unsuitable for desktop use, and > there doesn't seem to be any serious effort on part of pulse partisans > to fix the situation anytime soon. Pulseaudio is unsuitable for the Yes, I noticed that too with all the config files editing a user has to go through to even attempt to see if it has started to work. > desktop, and I hope it doesn't ever make it into the default desktop > install until there's damn good reason for it to be there. Man, you really dislike pa! :) I guess I will leave it for now. Though FC9 has it and it seems to work pretty impressively there. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 H.S. wrote: > Is anybody using pulseaudio in Debian? I am interested to know what > is its status in Debian Sid and Lenny. If somebody has been > successful in installing and running it, could you share your > experience. > > By the way, Fedora uses pulseaudio (FC8 and FC9). It looks like it > works very well there. Would love to try it out on my Debian > Unstable and Testing machines. A good way to needlessly complicate your audio setup especially if everything is working fine using the traditional ALSA approach. Pulseaudio also breaks voice and sometimes all sound support in Second Life despite claiming ESD compatibility. Pulse is not without major show stopping drawbacks that make it unsuitable for desktop use, and there doesn't seem to be any serious effort on part of pulse partisans to fix the situation anytime soon. Pulseaudio is unsuitable for the desktop, and I hope it doesn't ever make it into the default desktop install until there's damn good reason for it to be there. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj1F0QACgkQy7028xM7y6itEACfUwH6i3qidhSLBglEeuxNIYGW +GEAn2lxXDKVb2XZ7ofOC8dUkq5nGG9s =EzfX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
Hello, Is anybody using pulseaudio in Debian? I am interested to know what is its status in Debian Sid and Lenny. If somebody has been successful in installing and running it, could you share your experience. By the way, Fedora uses pulseaudio (FC8 and FC9). It looks like it works very well there. Would love to try it out on my Debian Unstable and Testing machines. Regards. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
