Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip) - solved
Thanks to all who replied! My network is working fine right now. appearenty none of the drivers on the cd will work with a FA311 (I could be wrong, but i tried to find one), so I compiled a new one from http://www.scyld.com/network/index.html, called natsemi (National Semiconductor) I was very happy after working at it for a long time. I set Debain up on another box (pIII board w/ built in intel NIC, etherexpress pro 100) with no major problems. I like the package management in Debian a lot (this is the first time I have used Debian), but I will have to look into some more of its features. This, of course, was a very short version of what I went through. I had to install the kernel headers package and put its include directory as a -I parameter to the gcc compile command for the driver module. I also had to do the same thing for pci-scan module (at same website). I hope someone else may find this useful as well. Thanks again, Jeff Davis Jeff Davis wrote: I have been reading docs all day but I cannot figure this one out. Note that I am used to Redhat/Mandrake, and I don't know as much as I would like to about Debian. I have a Netgear 10/100 card. I am sure it works, and I have used the same type of card with other distros. In it's linux.txt it describes an object file called tulip.o, which I assume to be the same as in the Debian distro (I am using 2.2). I tried first to do modprobe tulip and I get an error from insmod (I think modprobe is just a higher-level version of insmod, but I am not sure of this. I tried both) like device or resource busy and then something about how I might try changing the parameters. I have no /dev/eth* devices at all in my system. When I try to load the tulip module during the initial install I get the same insmod error (but before it asks for parameters). I recorded the CDs, so I am not sure of their integrity. I tried copying files, etc, but it won't be easy to get the good CDs (I think the downloaded ISOs should be correct) until I have network access. I half expected Debian to see the card immediately and to work automatically. I was somewhat surprised to see no eth devices, and more surprised when I couldn't just load the module to use it. I added a few modules during the setup, including ip_masq modules and more notably traffic shaper. Could these be conflicting? I tried removing them and inserting the other, but no effect. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I like Debian so far, but I haven't seen much :) Regards, Jeff Davis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
J. Bruce Fields wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Cliff Rice wrote: On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 07:43:34AM -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: I have a Netgear 10/100 card. I am sure it works, and I have used the same type of card with other distros. In it's linux.txt it describes an object file called tulip.o, which I assume to be the same as in the Debian distro (I am using 2.2). I tried first to do modprobe tulip and I get an error from insmod (I think modprobe is just a higher-level version of insmod, but I am not sure of this. I tried both) like device or resource busy and then something about how I might try changing the parameters. Hi Jeff, I also use netgear cards. You may want to try old_tulip instead. Here is the Ethernet section of my kernel config file: (This is a custom kernel from www.kernel.org so YMMV on some options...) I also chose to compile it in the kernal, btw. Oh yeah, kernel is 2.2.17. I'm using the newest tulip driver with a netgear (a FA310TX--the model number matters a lot, which is yours?), and it works fine. See http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html, and note that you actually have to download 3 different files and compile them seperately from the kernel.---jbf I go those files and comiled them seperately from the kernel. I got kern_compat.h, pci-scan.c, tulip.c, pci-scan.h (actually that is four, I assumed those were the right files). I can't insmod tulip before I insmod pci-scan (unresolved symbols). After I insmod pci-scan, I still get a device or resource busy and something about changing my IRQ or IO parameters to the module (I don't know how to do this). in /proc/pci it says little about my card.. that it is io 0xd400 and irq 11, but it doesn't recognize the type. Is there a way I can send that io address and irq to the module? I tried: ~# insmod tulip irq=11 then I get error invalid parameter parm_irq I am not getting my card to work at all and I have spent about 15 hours so far. I tried a diagnostic tool called tulip-diag and I get: ~# ./tulip-diag I get messages like: Rx state stopped Tx state stopped and it says something about a 10mbps (it is an FA311 10/100) I am using either a FA311 or FA310 in the computer I am writing this on, and it works fine (Mandrake Redhat). It shows much more details info in /proc/pci like LiteOn LNE100TX (rev 32). If /proc/pci isn't showing good information, how would I get it to work like my other machines? Thanks! Jeff Davis
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Jeff Davis wrote: J. Bruce Fields wrote: I'm using the newest tulip driver with a netgear (a FA310TX--the model number matters a lot, which is yours?), and it works fine. See http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html, and note that you actually have to download 3 different files and compile them seperately from the kernel.---jbf I go those files and comiled them seperately from the kernel. I got kern_compat.h, pci-scan.c, tulip.c, pci-scan.h (actually that is four, I assumed those were the right files). . and it says something about a 10mbps (it is an FA311 10/100) Yowza! Watch out for those model numbers, and don't assume two cards with similar names are really related. Apparently the FA311 does not use the tulip driver. Try a google search on FA311 and linux. It looks like some people have complaints about it, but if you plow through the hits you'll find some folks that say they've gotten it working. Best of luck---jbf
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 09:10:09AM -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote: Yowza! Watch out for those model numbers, and don't assume two cards with similar names are really related. Apparently the FA311 does not use the tulip driver. Try a google search on FA311 and linux. It looks like some people have complaints about it, but if you plow through the hits you'll find some folks that say they've gotten it working. Best of luck---jbf Jeff, Bruce is correct here. Just curious, do you have the box handy which the card came in?. You can get the model number off of that or by looking at the card itself. My cards also came with a floppy called Drivers and Diagnostic Disk. It has Micro~s??t DOS on it but if you mount it up , you may find some Linux drivers. All of mine did. I have the FA311 drivers on my floppy btw and can send them to you offlist if these are the ones you need and for some reason you can't get them off your floppy. (I'd check your floppy first of course.) The exact model I have is Netgear FA311 REV-A1. I also have the other models as well. Jeff, here is another gotcha you may want to watch for when compiling your own drivers. Go to /usr/doc/kernel-source-? and look at the README.header.gz. There is a big messy issue with kernel headers wrt to /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux. I do know form personal experience that compiling with /usr/include/linux and the /usr/src/linux headers makes nonfunctional drivers. Some vendors tend to make assumptions which aren't valid at present. Good luck, 15 hours to get a device to work is a real pain. Been there, done that. (: --- Cliff
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
HI Jeff, I've got the same card and for me it worked right out of the box. I guess that doesn't help, but: If you think the CD you have is bad look at the checksums (md5sum I think). Try a clean install and don't do anything to the modules when prompted (I left them alone and it worked). There shouldn't be an eth0. The pcmcia stuff (sorry I forget which stuff but read the how-to) takes care of brining up an interface when needed. There shouldn't be an eth0 because this would confuse the system. Hope at least some of this was helpful, Andy Jeff Davis wrote: I have been reading docs all day but I cannot figure this one out. Note that I am used to Redhat/Mandrake, and I don't know as much as I would like to about Debian. I have a Netgear 10/100 card. I am sure it works, and I have used the same type of card with other distros. In it's linux.txt it describes an object file called tulip.o, which I assume to be the same as in the Debian distro (I am using 2.2). I tried first to do modprobe tulip and I get an error from insmod (I think modprobe is just a higher-level version of insmod, but I am not sure of this. I tried both) like device or resource busy and then something about how I might try changing the parameters. I have no /dev/eth* devices at all in my system. When I try to load the tulip module during the initial install I get the same insmod error (but before it asks for parameters). I recorded the CDs, so I am not sure of their integrity. I tried copying files, etc, but it won't be easy to get the good CDs (I think the downloaded ISOs should be correct) until I have network access. I half expected Debian to see the card immediately and to work automatically. I was somewhat surprised to see no eth devices, and more surprised when I couldn't just load the module to use it. I added a few modules during the setup, including ip_masq modules and more notably traffic shaper. Could these be conflicting? I tried removing them and inserting the other, but no effect. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I like Debian so far, but I haven't seen much :) Regards, Jeff Davis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
I have been reading docs all day but I cannot figure this one out. Note that I am used to Redhat/Mandrake, and I don't know as much as I would like to about Debian. I have a Netgear 10/100 card. I am sure it works, and I have used the same type of card with other distros. In it's linux.txt it describes an object file called tulip.o, which I assume to be the same as in the Debian distro (I am using 2.2). I tried first to do modprobe tulip and I get an error from insmod (I think modprobe is just a higher-level version of insmod, but I am not sure of this. I tried both) like device or resource busy and then something about how I might try changing the parameters. I have no /dev/eth* devices at all in my system. When I try to load the tulip module during the initial install I get the same insmod error (but before it asks for parameters). I recorded the CDs, so I am not sure of their integrity. I tried copying files, etc, but it won't be easy to get the good CDs (I think the downloaded ISOs should be correct) until I have network access. I half expected Debian to see the card immediately and to work automatically. I was somewhat surprised to see no eth devices, and more surprised when I couldn't just load the module to use it. I added a few modules during the setup, including ip_masq modules and more notably traffic shaper. Could these be conflicting? I tried removing them and inserting the other, but no effect. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I like Debian so far, but I haven't seen much :) Regards, Jeff Davis
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 07:43:34AM -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: I have a Netgear 10/100 card. I am sure it works, and I have used the same type of card with other distros. In it's linux.txt it describes an object file called tulip.o, which I assume to be the same as in the Debian distro (I am using 2.2). I tried first to do modprobe tulip and I get an error from insmod (I think modprobe is just a higher-level version of insmod, but I am not sure of this. I tried both) like device or resource busy and then something about how I might try changing the parameters. Hi Jeff, I also use netgear cards. You may want to try old_tulip instead. Here is the Ethernet section of my kernel config file: (This is a custom kernel from www.kernel.org so YMMV on some options...) I also chose to compile it in the kernal, btw. Oh yeah, kernel is 2.2.17. CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM is not set # CONFIG_LANCE is not set # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC is not set # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_RACAL is not set # CONFIG_RTL8139 is not set # CONFIG_NET_ISA is not set CONFIG_NET_EISA=y # CONFIG_PCNET32 is not set # CONFIG_AC3200 is not set # CONFIG_APRICOT is not set # CONFIG_CS89x0 is not set # CONFIG_DM9102 is not set # CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set # CONFIG_DEC_ELCP is not set CONFIG_DEC_ELCP_OLD=y # CONFIG_DGRS is not set CONFIG_EEXPRESS_PRO100=y # CONFIG_LNE390 is not set # CONFIG_NE3210 is not set # CONFIG_NE2K_PCI is not set # CONFIG_TLAN is not set # CONFIG_VIA_RHINE is not set # CONFIG_SIS900 is not set # CONFIG_ES3210 is not set # CONFIG_EPIC100 is not set # CONFIG_ZNET is not set # CONFIG_NET_POCKET is not set In dmesg , I get tulip.c:v0.89H 5/23/98 [EMAIL PROTECTED] eth0: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC at 0xd000, 00 a0 cc 58 67 ea, IRQ 11. eth0: MII transceiver found at MDIO address 1, config 3000 status 7829. eth0: Advertising 01e1 on PHY 1, previously advertising 01e1. I have no /dev/eth* devices at all in my system. When I try to load the tulip module during the initial install I get the same insmod error (but before it asks for parameters). This may seem strange, but that is normal . Try looking in /proc/pci instead. (: You should see something like Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd800 [0xd800]. Bus 0, device 11, function 0: Ethernet controller: LiteOn LNE100TX (rev 32). Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Hope this helps and good luck -- My inner child is cranky www.hardradio.com Cliff
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
Probably not your problem, but make sure you have turned off plug and play OS in your BIOS. This caused a major headache for me with another card. Also, the ethernet howto may be helpful as well as looking at the web sites for the driver of your card (probably listed in the source for your driver or in the ethernet howto). On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Jeff Davis wrote: I have been reading docs all day but I cannot figure this one out. Note that I am used to Redhat/Mandrake, and I don't know as much as I would like to about Debian. I have a Netgear 10/100 card. I am sure it works, and I have used the same type of card with other distros. In it's linux.txt it describes an object file called tulip.o, which I assume to be the same as in the Debian distro (I am using 2.2). I tried first to do modprobe tulip and I get an error from insmod (I think modprobe is just a higher-level version of insmod, but I am not sure of this. I tried both) like device or resource busy and then something about how I might try changing the parameters. I have no /dev/eth* devices at all in my system. When I try to load the tulip module during the initial install I get the same insmod error (but before it asks for parameters). I recorded the CDs, so I am not sure of their integrity. I tried copying files, etc, but it won't be easy to get the good CDs (I think the downloaded ISOs should be correct) until I have network access. I half expected Debian to see the card immediately and to work automatically. I was somewhat surprised to see no eth devices, and more surprised when I couldn't just load the module to use it. I added a few modules during the setup, including ip_masq modules and more notably traffic shaper. Could these be conflicting? I tried removing them and inserting the other, but no effect. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I like Debian so far, but I haven't seen much :) Regards, Jeff Davis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Cliff Rice wrote: On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 07:43:34AM -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: I have a Netgear 10/100 card. I am sure it works, and I have used the same type of card with other distros. In it's linux.txt it describes an object file called tulip.o, which I assume to be the same as in the Debian distro (I am using 2.2). I tried first to do modprobe tulip and I get an error from insmod (I think modprobe is just a higher-level version of insmod, but I am not sure of this. I tried both) like device or resource busy and then something about how I might try changing the parameters. Hi Jeff, I also use netgear cards. You may want to try old_tulip instead. Here is the Ethernet section of my kernel config file: (This is a custom kernel from www.kernel.org so YMMV on some options...) I also chose to compile it in the kernal, btw. Oh yeah, kernel is 2.2.17. I'm using the newest tulip driver with a netgear (a FA310TX--the model number matters a lot, which is yours?), and it works fine. See http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html, and note that you actually have to download 3 different files and compile them seperately from the kernel.---jbf
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
Hi, which NIC do you have? I have a Netgear FA312 this does not use the tulip drivers, it uses the natsemi driver. I have used both the drivers that came with the card on the diskette and from http://www.scyld.com and both work. HTH Bill C Jeff Davis wrote: I have been reading docs all day but I cannot figure this one out. Note that I am used to Redhat/Mandrake, and I don't know as much as I would like to about Debian. I have a Netgear 10/100 card. I am sure it works, and I have used the same type of card with other distros. In it's linux.txt it describes an object file called tulip.o, which I assume to be the same as in the Debian distro (I am using 2.2). I tried first to do modprobe tulip and I get an error from insmod (I think modprobe is just a higher-level version of insmod, but I am not sure of this. I tried both) like device or resource busy and then something about how I might try changing the parameters. I have no /dev/eth* devices at all in my system. When I try to load the tulip module during the initial install I get the same insmod error (but before it asks for parameters). I recorded the CDs, so I am not sure of their integrity. I tried copying files, etc, but it won't be easy to get the good CDs (I think the downloaded ISOs should be correct) until I have network access. I half expected Debian to see the card immediately and to work automatically. I was somewhat surprised to see no eth devices, and more surprised when I couldn't just load the module to use it. I added a few modules during the setup, including ip_masq modules and more notably traffic shaper. Could these be conflicting? I tried removing them and inserting the other, but no effect. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I like Debian so far, but I haven't seen much :) Regards, Jeff Davis
Re: simple network card setup (netgear 10/100 tulip)
On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 12:58:29PM -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote: snip I'm using the newest tulip driver with a netgear (a FA310TX--the model number matters a lot, which is yours?), and it works fine. See http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html, and note that you actually have to download 3 different files and compile them seperately from the kernel.---jbf Strange, That is what I have. 2 FA310TX's, REV-D2 which I bought last end of last year. To be fair, I did use the regular tulip driver which came with the 2.2.12 kernel. It was the 2.2.17 kernel where I had to use old_tulip. As for model numbers, you are correct, I just found a FA311 in my closet, and I have a floppy with a fa311.c driver file and then it goes on to say : The FA311 driver is developed for use on Linux v2.0.36. It can be configured either as a static driver into the kernel or as a loadable module. The driver is capable of 10/100 Mbps Full/Half duplex mode operation via an internal PHY. Detailed features are given below. and . Unsupported Features ... Newer MP kernels 2.2.xx (All of my Netgear cards have come with floppies with M$ drivers and Linux drivers.) -- My inner child is cranky www.hardradio.com homepage : cliff.neosoft.com Cliff
