Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
Kevin Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The upgrade from sarge to etch is NOT seamless. Sarge installs 2.4 kernel. 2.4 support is dropped in etch, so you should upgrade to a 2.6 kernel, which means all the new userspace tools for 2.6 kernel (module-init-tools, udev, etc.) I'm pretty sure Sarge had the option to install 2.6.8 -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
Marc Shapiro wrote: [...] A number of people reported problems with the upgrade from XFree86 to Xorg and to using udev. It might be better to start with Etch and just leave it at that. I did a clean install of Etch, myself (for the first time since Bo). I did it for other reasons, actually, but I think it may have been good from the standpoint of avoiding those particular upgrade changes, as well. Osamu Aoki suggested a way around these problems. An outline of the method is on the NewbieDOC wiki: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get#Upgrading_from_Sarge_to_Etch -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
I am a soon-to-be new user of Debian. I have been using other (particularly live) distros for a while to learn linux, but I very much want to move to Debian. In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or the stable release of 3.1 ? A few concerns: 1) How long will security updates be maintained for 3.1 once 4.0 becomes stable? 2) If I do choose 3.1 for now, will I soon find it necessary to move to 4.0? 3) Any particular reason why it may not be good to pick 4.0 at this point? not looking to start a which is better argument, just looking for some input about making a choice given the current release timeline. thanks... _ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDayocid=T001MSN30A0701 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
On Sun January 28 2007 19:44, Oliver Twist wrote: I am a soon-to-be new user of Debian. I have been using other (particularly live) distros for a while to learn linux, but I very much want to move to Debian. In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or the stable release of 3.1 ? A few concerns: 1) How long will security updates be maintained for 3.1 once 4.0 becomes stable? Around 1 year, woody was supported for that long after sarge was released. 2) If I do choose 3.1 for now, will I soon find it necessary to move to 4.0? Once the security support has stopped I would upgrade. 3) Any particular reason why it may not be good to pick 4.0 at this point? Not really (in my view). I'm running etch now and I couldn't be happier. It is still testing so it's possible stuff could happen but etch has been downright stable for some time now although there are still rc bugs being worked out. not looking to start a which is better argument, just looking for some input about making a choice given the current release timeline. They are both good so it hard to say which is best in any case.. :) I use etch mostly for OOo that isn't available in sarge amd64 but works well in etch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
Alan Ianson wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun January 28 2007 19:44, Oliver Twist wrote: I am a soon-to-be new user of Debian. I have been using other (particularly live) distros for a while to learn linux, but I very much want to move to Debian. In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or the stable release of 3.1 ? A few concerns: 1) How long will security updates be maintained for 3.1 once 4.0 becomes stable? Around 1 year, woody was supported for that long after sarge was released. Etch will be supported for 1 year or untill the release of etch+1: Lenny, whichever comes first. (Wither way, it should be around a year) 2) If I do choose 3.1 for now, will I soon find it necessary to move to 4.0? Once the security support has stopped I would upgrade. Yes, although It is likely that a reasonable end user would want to upgrade sooner, especially considering that backports to old-stable are quite uncommon. 3) Any particular reason why it may not be good to pick 4.0 at this point? Not really (in my view). I'm running etch now and I couldn't be happier. It is still testing so it's possible stuff could happen but etch has been downright stable for some time now although there are still rc bugs being worked out. Agreed. There is a slight possibility things could break. But Etch is still far more stable then the stable versions of most other distros. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:44, Oliver Twist wrote: In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or the stable release of 3.1 ? I would say start with 3.1. If all is well, stick with it. Once Etch becomes stable, you can upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0. Unlike other distros, upgrading across stable releases is really easy! Others have answered the rest of your questions. You might also find http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html useful. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- Online Bachelor Degree For You Jumpstart your career by earning your Bachelor's degree 100% online http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/MhtYWUjUCKdMBjDyRCSdExWLkS7yPtS0zE3Bb/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
I would say start with 3.1. If all is well, stick with it. Once Etch becomes stable, you can upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0. Unlike other distros, upgrading across stable releases is really easy! I disagree, and here's why: The upgrade from sarge to etch is NOT seamless. Sarge installs 2.4 kernel. 2.4 support is dropped in etch, so you should upgrade to a 2.6 kernel, which means all the new userspace tools for 2.6 kernel (module-init-tools, udev, etc.) And there's the xfree86 to xorg transition too. I don't know how seamless that transition is, since I don't run X on my Debian servers. Finally, the OP didn't specify hardware. As we all know, etch has support for more modern hardware than sarge. Also, I think the etch installer is better than the sarge installer, I especially like the GUI installer. Plus, etch is just more up to date. Sarge is downright old now. To echo the sentiments of another poster, Debian testing is more stable than, say, Windows XP with Service Pack 2. -- Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:44, Oliver Twist wrote: In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or the stable release of 3.1 ? I would say start with 3.1. If all is well, stick with it. Once Etch becomes stable, you can upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0. Unlike other distros, upgrading across stable releases is really easy! Others have answered the rest of your questions. You might also find http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html useful. A number of people reported problems with the upgrade from XFree86 to Xorg and to using udev. It might be better to start with Etch and just leave it at that. I did a clean install of Etch, myself (for the first time since Bo). I did it for other reasons, actually, but I think it may have been good from the standpoint of avoiding those particular upgrade changes, as well. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
