Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[gene heskett]

On 12/12/22 23:41, David Wright wrote:

On Mon 12 Dec 2022 at 14:11:38 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:

There is a terrible echo in here, mbox is a pita I'd druther not have
to deal with. Some of the screwups I've had are probably directly
blamable on tbird using mbox for its database.


You don't have to, because mutt will handle mbox, mmdf, mh or maildir.


I learn best in the reading room, reading a pdf, but debians version
of mutt is html only,


You wrote this two hours after I posted the text version's
filename in my reply to your post further up this thread. Look:

   $ ls -l /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz
   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 162988 Apr 23  2022 /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz


how the heck do you print that?


   $ zcat /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | paps --font='FreeMono 10' --left-margin=40 
--top-margin=40 --paper "letter" | ps2pdf - - >| /tmp/mutt-manual.pdf
   $

or even

   $ zcat /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | paps --font='FreeMono 14' --left-margin=40 
--top-margin=40 --paper "letter" --landscape | ps2pdf - - >| 
/tmp/mutt-manual.pdf
   $

which would consume a little over seven quires.
But WV probably has sufficient trees.

Probably... :) fed to wc -l that is 14262 lines. at 60 lines a page face 
thats a bit over 1/4 ream of paper on a duplex printer. Doable IOW. But 
its been asking for a toner cart for about a month now.


Thanks David, take care & stay well.


Cheers,
David.

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[David Wright]

On Mon 12 Dec 2022 at 14:11:38 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> There is a terrible echo in here, mbox is a pita I'd druther not have
> to deal with. Some of the screwups I've had are probably directly
> blamable on tbird using mbox for its database.

You don't have to, because mutt will handle mbox, mmdf, mh or maildir.

> I learn best in the reading room, reading a pdf, but debians version
> of mutt is html only,

You wrote this two hours after I posted the text version's
filename in my reply to your post further up this thread. Look:

  $ ls -l /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 162988 Apr 23  2022 /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz

> how the heck do you print that?

  $ zcat /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | paps --font='FreeMono 10' 
--left-margin=40 --top-margin=40 --paper "letter" | ps2pdf - - >| 
/tmp/mutt-manual.pdf
  $ 

or even

  $ zcat /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | paps --font='FreeMono 14' 
--left-margin=40 --top-margin=40 --paper "letter" --landscape | ps2pdf - - >| 
/tmp/mutt-manual.pdf
  $ 

which would consume a little over seven quires.
But WV probably has sufficient trees.

Cheers,
David.

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[gene heskett]

On 12/12/22 13:22, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:

On Sunday 11 December 2022 09:51:05 am gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I
have recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed,
but they don't work either.

Is it time to learn a new to me but more stable emailer, like
alpine or such?

The error log claims the messages were properly sorted, but the targeted
local folder remains empty and the message remains in the inbox. Most of
the errors it does log are swahili to me.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.


Gene,

I prefer the maildir rather than mbox format,  which narrows my choices 
somewhat.  What I ended up doing was running virtualbox with a rather early 
version of Slackware in there,  with the correspondingly early version of KDE,  
and use kmail to do all of my mail.  Filters are rather extensive,  since I 
keep on adding spammers to that list,  and haven't given me any trouble,  so 
far.

There is a terrible echo in here, mbox is a pita I'd druther not have to 
deal with. Some of the screwups I've had are probably directly blamable 
on tbird using mbox for its database. One alpha hit on one bit of a 75 
meg mbox file and the whole thing is un-repairable. How that ever got 
past even 3rd grade grammer school checking is beyond me.


A year ago when all this aggravation started, I gave the new kmail a 
try, but it destroyed its database about weekly, so that experiment was 
terminated, with prejudice after about 3 weeks.


I learn best in the reading room, reading a pdf, but debians version of 
mutt is html only, how the heck do you print that? No one has succeeded 
in reformatting that into fixed length lines for a printer that doesn't 
leave whole paragraphs out of what it sent to the printer. More 
aggravation...  I'll see if ddg can spit out a place to get the pdf.


Thank you to another fan of R.A.H.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[Gökşin Akdeniz]

12.12.2022 01:16 tarihinde gene heskett yazdı:



local Address of log files?



For filter logs, it is in that dialog box which user defines filter 
rules and there exists a button for viewing for logs.


Simply click and copy & paste all entries. Good news is it is in human 
readable format which is in other words: The same language which you 
selected at install.





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Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[Roy J. Tellason, Sr.]

On Sunday 11 December 2022 09:51:05 am gene heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I 
> have recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed, 
> but they don't work either.
> 
> Is it time to learn a new to me but more stable emailer, like
> alpine or such?
> 
> The error log claims the messages were properly sorted, but the targeted 
> local folder remains empty and the message remains in the inbox. Most of 
> the errors it does log are swahili to me.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Gene,

I prefer the maildir rather than mbox format,  which narrows my choices 
somewhat.  What I ended up doing was running virtualbox with a rather early 
version of Slackware in there,  with the correspondingly early version of KDE,  
and use kmail to do all of my mail.  Filters are rather extensive,  since I 
keep on adding spammers to that list,  and haven't given me any trouble,  so 
far.

-- 
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
M Dakin

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[David Wright]

On Sun 11 Dec 2022 at 12:39:31 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> On 12/11/22 10:00, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 09:51:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > > 
> > > Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I have
> > > recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed, but 
> > > they
> > > don't work either.
> > > 
> > > Is it time to learn a new to me but more stable emailer, like
> > > alpine or such?
> > 
> > A lot of us use mutt - command line email client that seems to mostly
> > do the right thing when configured - and works well with included HTML
> > if you add urlview. There are a whole lot of good email clients.
> > 
> > alpine is, essentially, the grandchild of pine - so you may find you
> > already know the interface from years ago.
> 

[ ……………………………   etc. ]

> 
> So I need a WORKING email agent, with or without fetchmail & procmail.
> And it looks like after 20 years, I am going to have to learn how to
> use a brand new to me emailer. Neither mutt, nor alpine, has docs for
> a beginner that aren't buried 2+ more directories deep in
> /usr/share/doc.
> 
> No man pages...

man mutt   shows how to invoke it. The manual itself is in
/usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz , which is two directories
deep in /usr/share/doc, and which you can probably work out
is as shallow as it's possible for the docs themselves to be.
They're also in HTML, and examples are included too. All
screens have keystroke help, by pressing ? (q to go back).

> So at this point I guessing that I need a fetchmail/procmail front end
> as I don't find any references to account setups for either one. Is my
> macular degeneration of my 88 yo eyes hiding that from me?

You can set up IMAP access to your emails in just one line
of configuration, typically something like:

  set 
spoolfile="imaps://ghesk...@shentel.net:mysec...@imap.shentel.net:993/INBOX"

You can send email directly with settings like these mangled ones of mine:

  set smtp_authenticators="plain"
  set smtp_pass="mysecret"
  set smtp_url="smtp://ghesk...@shentel.net@smtp.shentel.net:465"

With machines and networks as fast as they now are, I find it
much simpler to configure exim to handle local email between
my machines (with the benefit of queueing when machines are
switched off), and use mutt's direct access as above for
external email. And if the server is down, you get to know
about it straight away, rather than when exim deigns to tell
you. Queueing emails for sending is fine for busy, shared
systems, but somewhat OTT for individuals.

Cheers,
David.

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[Tom Dial]

On 12/11/22 10:39, gene heskett wrote:

On 12/11/22 10:00, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 09:51:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all;



(Skipping)



So as a LinuxCNC supporter, I'm stuck with debian. And debian has made it 
virtually impossible to install anything from the TDE repos.


The instructions at https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=150536 - the third item 
returned for the Firefox query "tde debian repository" - appear likely to work 
on the Live DVD for Debian 11.5. The tde-trinity install describe there gave me no 
indication of a problem in simulation mode, so the real install probably would work. The 
instructions at 
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions are 
similar and probably would work as well.
 


So I need a WORKING email agent, with or without fetchmail & procmail.


fetchmail (6.4.16-4+deb11u1) and procmail (3.22-26+deb11u1) installed fine on 
the same image. The only reason I did not complete the tde install is that it 
would have brought in I am using the image for recovery and did not want to 
install all the stuff that tde appears to depend on.


And it looks like after 20 years, I am going to have to learn how to use a 
brand new to me emailer. Neither mutt, nor alpine, has docs for a beginner that 
aren't buried 2+ more directories deep in /usr/share/doc.

No man pages...

So at this point I guessing that I need a fetchmail/procmail front end as I 
don't find any references to account setups for either one. Is my macular 
degeneration of my 88 yo eyes hiding that from me?


Since know and prefer fetchmail and procmail, it might be worthwhile to 
describe on this list about any problems you encountered installing or 
reinstalling them.

Regards,
Tom Dial



Thank you Andy. take care and stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[gene heskett]

On 12/11/22 13:28, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:39:31PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

On 12/11/22 10:00, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 09:51:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all;



LinuxCNC has gotten much better over the years, but their installer is still
based on debian buster, but debian came calling to see if it might make it
into bookworm. It may not make the bookworm cutoff date, remains to be seen.

So as a LinuxCNC supporter, I'm stuck with debian. And debian has made it
virtually impossible to install anything from the TDE repos.



Have you had a chat with the person who is actually packaging LinuxCNC for
Debian to see if it will make it in before freeze in January?

Not in the last 20 or so hours. Some sort of a 20+ yo copyright rumor 
has been reported, and we might not have time to resolve it, some of the 
history of it, going all the way back to NIST's proposal in the late 
60's is pretty vague.  Niche stuff even the wayback machine does not 
have. My contribution to Linuxcnc has about the same effect at steering 
that ship as a toothpick thrown overboard. So as a Legal I'm nothing but 
I am a CET, something most EE's don't have a chance of ever passing.  US 
Copyright law, forced on the US and most of the planet by Disney to 
protect Mickey Mouse etc, is the biggest legal PITA this planet has.




No man pages...



man mutt Just Works for me here ...


So at this point I guessing that I need a fetchmail/procmail front end as I



don't find any references to account setups for either one. Is my macular
degeneration of my 88 yo eyes hiding that from me?



I'm using mbsync - there are lots of ways to do this but, to be fair, a
Debian colleague helped set up email so that it worked ...


Thank you Andy. take care and stay well.



You too - it's snowing here :)

Andy


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 



.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[gene heskett]

On 12/11/22 13:01, Joe wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:39:31 -0500
gene heskett  wrote:




So I need a WORKING email agent, with or without fetchmail & procmail.
And it looks like after 20 years, I am going to have to learn how to
use a brand new to me emailer. Neither mutt, nor alpine, has docs for
a beginner that aren't buried 2+ more directories deep in
/usr/share/doc.

No man pages...

So at this point I guessing that I need a fetchmail/procmail front
end as I don't find any references to account setups for either one.
Is my macular degeneration of my 88 yo eyes hiding that from me?



You might look at Claws-mail. I've no idea of the extent of the
documentation, as I moved to it from TB and never needed documents.

I confirm that filtering certainly works, as I use it with a newsgroup
that is unusable unless about forty names/subjects are dumped.

It has bugs, and is no use if you use testing, as it has (temporarily, I
hope) been removed from there. So I'm not using testing until it comes
back.

claws I had installed along side kmail about 3 years ago, but had to 
remove it as it was interfering with kmail. Haven't installed it again.


Should I?

Thanks, take care and stay well, Joe.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[gene heskett]

On 12/11/22 10:10, Gökşin Akdeniz wrote:



11.12.2022 17:51 tarihinde gene heskett yazdı:

Greetings all;

Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I 
have recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list 
displayed, but they don't work either.


Probably, filters fail due to filter rules does not match. I had the 
same issues in the past due to mailing list configuration changes or 
similar set up changes. Filter rules works as long as definition in the 
rule are exactly matched.




The error log claims the messages were properly sorted, but the 
targeted local folder remains empty and the message remains in the 
inbox. Most of the errors it does log are swahili to me.




Can you paste any log entries? So anyone can comment on log records.


local Address of log files?

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[Charles Curley]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:00:31 +
Joe  wrote:

> You might look at Claws-mail.

Second the nomination. There is some documentation on the web site.
https://www.claws-mail.org

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:39:31PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> On 12/11/22 10:00, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 09:51:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > > 
> 
> LinuxCNC has gotten much better over the years, but their installer is still
> based on debian buster, but debian came calling to see if it might make it
> into bookworm. It may not make the bookworm cutoff date, remains to be seen.
> 
> So as a LinuxCNC supporter, I'm stuck with debian. And debian has made it
> virtually impossible to install anything from the TDE repos.
> 

Have you had a chat with the person who is actually packaging LinuxCNC for
Debian to see if it will make it in before freeze in January?

> 
> No man pages...
> 

man mutt Just Works for me here ...

> So at this point I guessing that I need a fetchmail/procmail front end as I

> don't find any references to account setups for either one. Is my macular
> degeneration of my 88 yo eyes hiding that from me?
> 

I'm using mbsync - there are lots of ways to do this but, to be fair, a
Debian colleague helped set up email so that it worked ...

> Thank you Andy. take care and stay well.
> 

You too - it's snowing here :)

Andy

> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[Joe]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:39:31 -0500
gene heskett  wrote:


> 
> So I need a WORKING email agent, with or without fetchmail & procmail.
> And it looks like after 20 years, I am going to have to learn how to
> use a brand new to me emailer. Neither mutt, nor alpine, has docs for
> a beginner that aren't buried 2+ more directories deep in
> /usr/share/doc.
> 
> No man pages...
> 
> So at this point I guessing that I need a fetchmail/procmail front
> end as I don't find any references to account setups for either one.
> Is my macular degeneration of my 88 yo eyes hiding that from me?
>

You might look at Claws-mail. I've no idea of the extent of the
documentation, as I moved to it from TB and never needed documents.

I confirm that filtering certainly works, as I use it with a newsgroup
that is unusable unless about forty names/subjects are dumped.

It has bugs, and is no use if you use testing, as it has (temporarily, I
hope) been removed from there. So I'm not using testing until it comes
back.

-- 
Joe

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[gene heskett]

On 12/11/22 10:00, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 09:51:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I have
recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed, but they
don't work either.

Is it time to learn a new to me but more stable emailer, like
alpine or such?



A lot of us use mutt - command line email client that seems to mostly
do the right thing when configured - and works well with included HTML
if you add urlview. There are a whole lot of good email clients.

alpine is, essentially, the grandchild of pine - so you may find you
already know the interface from years ago.


Never used any of the "trees. I found kmail in 1998 and never looked 
back. Until ngo's crew got addicted to eye candy and his ability to herd 
cats was never focused on bug fixing and stabiliity. So I fixed kmails 
huge and annoyiing lags while it was fetching new mail by installing 
fetchmail and procmail to sort it. Used it the way thru thick and thin 
till a little over a year ago when two brand new 2TB seagate drives 
disappeared off the sata bus in 10 days, taking 20 some years of history 
with them. So I ordered another controller and 5 more Samsung SSD's, one 
to boot from and 4 for a 2T raid10 for /home.


That's when all hell broke out, resulting in 20 something installs 
because the installer insisted on silently installing brltty and orca, 
which wasn't removable without destroying the installs ability to 
reboot. without which a reboot was only doable by a reinstall, 20 some 
of them. It never asked me if I wanted that, it just installed them 
because I had a couple usb-serial convertors plugged in.


Somebody finally twigged that I needed to unplug all my usb stuff before 
the install.


Before that, 7 years or so, I'd given up on ever getting some kde bugs 
fixed, so I'd switched to tde, which is kde 3.5 with 99.9% of its bugs 
fixed. So up until those 2 new drives puked, and I lost everything, 
because the 2nd was my amanda drive, I had outgrown both as time passed.


I started out in 1998 with redhat5.0, then went to fedora when rh wanted 
$1000 a seat at their table. In the meantime I got interested in 
LinuxCNC when it was still EMC with what was called a BDI for Brain Dead 
Installer and my garage is now full of machines I have converted to CNC. 
The developers switched to Ubuntu in about 2003 then to debian when 
ubuntu looked too much like windows,


LinuxCNC has gotten much better over the years, but their installer is 
still based on debian buster, but debian came calling to see if it might 
make it into bookworm. It may not make the bookworm cutoff date, remains 
to be seen.


So as a LinuxCNC supporter, I'm stuck with debian. And debian has made 
it virtually impossible to install anything from the TDE repos.


So I need a WORKING email agent, with or without fetchmail & procmail.
And it looks like after 20 years, I am going to have to learn how to use 
a brand new to me emailer. Neither mutt, nor alpine, has docs for a 
beginner that aren't buried 2+ more directories deep in /usr/share/doc.


No man pages...

So at this point I guessing that I need a fetchmail/procmail front end 
as I don't find any references to account setups for either one. Is my 
macular degeneration of my 88 yo eyes hiding that from me?


Thank you Andy. take care and stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[gene heskett]

On 12/11/22 10:00, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 09:51:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I have
recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed, but they
don't work either.

Is it time to learn a new to me but more stable emailer, like
alpine or such?



A lot of us use mutt - command line email client that seems to mostly
do the right thing when configured - and works well with included HTML
if you add urlview. There are a whole lot of good email clients.

alpine is, essentially, the grandchild of pine - so you may find you
already know the interface from years ago.

There are fewer and fewer users of Thunderbird, one way and another, and
while upstream is still there, Thunderbird is a lot less prominent than
it was.

I can see why, t-bird seems to have lost its direction with something 
else breaking at about the same pace as my laundry.


I'll take a look at mutt.  Thanks Andy.


All best, as ever,

Andy Cater


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--



With every good wish, as ever,

Andy C.

.

Take care and stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[Gökşin Akdeniz]

11.12.2022 17:51 tarihinde gene heskett yazdı:

Greetings all;

Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I 
have recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed, 
but they don't work either.


Probably, filters fail due to filter rules does not match. I had the 
same issues in the past due to mailing list configuration changes or 
similar set up changes. Filter rules works as long as definition in the 
rule are exactly matched.




The error log claims the messages were properly sorted, but the targeted 
local folder remains empty and the message remains in the inbox. Most of 
the errors it does log are swahili to me.




Can you paste any log entries? So anyone can comment on log records.


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OpenPGP_signature
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 09:51:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I have
> recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed, but they
> don't work either.
> 
> Is it time to learn a new to me but more stable emailer, like
> alpine or such?
> 

A lot of us use mutt - command line email client that seems to mostly
do the right thing when configured - and works well with included HTML
if you add urlview. There are a whole lot of good email clients.

alpine is, essentially, the grandchild of pine - so you may find you
already know the interface from years ago.

There are fewer and fewer users of Thunderbird, one way and another, and
while upstream is still there, Thunderbird is a lot less prominent than
it was.

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater

> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> -- 
>

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy C. 

t-bird vs filters to sort msgs

[gene heskett]

Greetings all;

Nov 22 is the last time that about half my filters stopped working. I 
have recreated 3 or 4, putting them at the top of filter list displayed, 
but they don't work either.


Is it time to learn a new to me but more stable emailer, like
alpine or such?

The error log claims the messages were properly sorted, but the targeted 
local folder remains empty and the message remains in the inbox. Most of 
the errors it does log are swahili to me.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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