Re: OT: Linode VPSVille (was: Re: virtual private server? advice requested)
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:25:11AM -0400, Eric Gerlach wrote: Anyone have any experience with Linode? I've been thinking about getting an account with them (or VPSVille) for personal stuff in the next few months, and I'm trying to get some opinions on both. I've been with Linode for 3+ years and have nothing but good to say about them. Although they're perhaps a little more expensive than other providers their upstream bandwidth is good, my VPS uptime is typically in the hundreds of days (the only outages I've had from Linode have typically been because of power issues at ThePlanet's datacentre in Austin, TX) and at least once a year I've received free upgrades to my VPS plan. -mj -- Michael-John Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://mjturner.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
On 2008-Oct-16, at 8:05 PM, Reid Priedhorsky wrote: Also, I discovered lighttpd and nginx, and I think one of them will meet my needs, saving a ton of memory vs. Apache... lighttpd/nginx + exim4 + spamd looks like it will fit just fine in 256M even under a load burst. By sure to check the Community pages SliceHost offers. They have quite a few articles and I believe some of them cover nginx under etch. (For what it's worth, I've always run apache in a 256 MB slice and haven't experienced any issues.) -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Linode VPSVille (was: Re: virtual private server? advice requested)
Sam Kuper wrote: I made a shortlist for this sort of thing myself recently. It was largely inspired by http://djangohosting.org/ with the addition of VPSVille http://vpsville.ca . I opted for VPSVille, though I'm only paying month-on-month and I'm automating things as far as possible so that I can switch to another VPS provider (or duplicate my server setups) if I want to. VPSVille actually had a few hiccups themselves recently but seem to have recovered quickly. Anyone have any experience with Linode? I've been thinking about getting an account with them (or VPSVille) for personal stuff in the next few months, and I'm trying to get some opinions on both. Cheers, -- Eric Gerlach, Network Administrator Federation of Students University of Waterloo p: (519) 888-4567 x36329 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:20:09 +0200, Sam Kuper wrote: Well, maybe you're right about that, but: (1) My point still stands: start low and upgrade if needed. This way you won't be paying over the odds. Most VPS providers offer near-instant upgrades. (2) The OP didn't require MySQL. He specified static pages. This will lower his memory requirements. (3) Neither you nor the OP specified which version of Apache, nor which mods. This will also affect his memory requirements. (4) I'm fairly sure it's possible to get an email web server running on Etch with less than 128MB RAM. Whether the resulting server would be able to handle the loads the OP specified, I'm not sure, but it's doubtful. See (1) above. (5) OpenVZ has a lower overhead resource usage (see http://vpslink.com/compare/openvz-vs-xen-vps-hosting/) so it's a less expensive option unless you need Xen-specific VPS features (the ability to tweak the kernel, for instance). This could explain why your 64MB vpsvillage.com account (on Xen) might have lower performance than, say, a 64MB VPSVille.ca account (on OpenVZ). All, Wow... thanks so much for the flood of responses! Slicehost has been mentioned positively in this thread and by FOAFs, and their website smells good, so I think I'll go with that. I was hoping to spend less, but $20/mo is fine. Also, I discovered lighttpd and nginx, and I think one of them will meet my needs, saving a ton of memory vs. Apache... lighttpd/nginx + exim4 + spamd looks like it will fit just fine in 256M even under a load burst. Thanks again, Reid -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 5. Cheap, ideally in the $10-15/mo range. Gandi in France (http://www.gandi.net) offers Debian Xen hosting starting at $14/mo. I tried them for a while but the server was S-L-O-W. Slicehost is more expensive but they rock. Cheers, John Fry http://johnfry.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
2008/10/14 Sam Kuper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: aside from being a Django, VPSVille (former) WebFaction, I have no affiliation, with any of the companies on this list. Whoops. I made a typo. That should have been, aside from being a Django, VPSVille (former) WebFaction user ...
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
2008/10/14 Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am looking for suggestions on finding a good VPS hosting company, or suggestions on Google-fu for effective research on my own (so far I have managed to find only masses of adverts), or pointers on trying something else. I made a shortlist for this sort of thing myself recently. It was largely inspired by http://djangohosting.org/ with the addition of VPSVillehttp://vpsville.ca . I opted for VPSVille, though I'm only paying month-on-month and I'm automating things as far as possible so that I can switch to another VPS provider (or duplicate my server setups) if I want to. VPSVille actually had a few hiccups themselves recently but seem to have recovered quickly. Please note: aside from being a Django, VPSVille (former) WebFaction, I have no affiliation, with any of the companies on this list. Regards, Sam
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
On 2008-Oct-14, at 12:34 AM, Reid Priedhorsky wrote: Hence my request for advice. I am looking for suggestions on finding a good VPS hosting company, or suggestions on Google-fu for effective research on my own (so far I have managed to find only masses of adverts), or pointers on trying something else. I have been using [SliceHost][1] for a few months and have been very happy. (It was recommended to me by a couple of co-workers that have been using them longer.) They offer Xen-based VMs with the distro of your choice. They currently only offer etch for Debian users, but once you get access to the machine, you can go to lenny if you prefer (see their FAQ). [1]: http://www.slicehost.com/ -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
virtual private server? advice requested
Dear all, I currently run e-mail and web services for my little domain from my home box, connected to the net with DSL. The other day, the network burped and I was offline for several hours... Basically, I've grown frustrated with trying to host important services off a consumer-grade network link. A little googling and Wikipedia-ing reveals that what I probably want is a virtual private server. Then I can still have the control and tinkering power I have now but without the worries of consumer DSL and electricity nor the expense of a dedicated co-located server. Hence my request for advice. I am looking for suggestions on finding a good VPS hosting company, or suggestions on Google-fu for effective research on my own (so far I have managed to find only masses of adverts), or pointers on trying something else. Some thoughts on what I think I need (please advise if I'm making mistakes, I'm new at this VPS thing): 1. One IP address that is not on any spam blacklists. 2. Enough horsepower to run: a. an Apache instance serving ~10,000 static hits on a busy day, usually much less b. an Exim instance accepting ~1,000 incoming e-mails daily, including spam, with rare floods of 20,000k+ backscatter spams c. enough SpamAssassin to scan the e-mail d. enough IMAP server to let me read the e-mail 3. ~10G of disk space. 4. Debian, preferably Lenny. 5. Cheap, ideally in the $10-15/mo range. 6. Reliable. Any and all advice cheerfully accepted and much appreciated, and follow-up questions happily answered. Reid -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
2008/10/14 paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Basicly, if you are looking for VPS. go for XEN based VPS because it is better. Not in all cases. See http://vpslink.com/compare/openvz-vs-xen-vps-hosting/ You need VPS with at least 256MB dedicated memory. Not necessarily. I would start off with a 64MB or 128MB and load test it. If it suits your needs, why pay more?
RE: virtual private server? advice requested
[snip...I am looking for suggestions on finding a good VPS hosting company, or suggestions on Google-fu for effective...[snip] If you are looking for very low cost you can be hosted on a shared server. This is achieved through sharing 1 server with maybe 100 of websites through apache's virtual domain features. Each user has a separate account and space on some Linux box. If you want a more advanced (next generation solution) take a look at Media Temple http://mediatemple.net/ or Amazon's EC2 http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/. These are virtual machines in which you get your own virtual machine with root level control. Paul www.MasterMOZ.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
i do some research on the internet about vps server. Basicly, if you are looking for VPS. go for XEN based VPS because it is better. Basicly there is two package, unmanaged and managed VPS. Unmanaged is cheaper. With VPS you have to install the package on your own. So, sure you can install Exim, Apache and SpamAssasin on the server. You need VPS with at least 256MB dedicated memory. On my survery, you need at least $20-$35 to get this kind of VPS. The cheapest i got so far. But not with very good costumer review is http://wsservers.com http://wowvps.com If you find any better VPS than this one. I really love to know. I am glad if you can share it with me. good luck ;) On 10/13/08, Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I currently run e-mail and web services for my little domain from my home box, connected to the net with DSL. The other day, the network burped and I was offline for several hours... Basically, I've grown frustrated with trying to host important services off a consumer-grade network link. A little googling and Wikipedia-ing reveals that what I probably want is a virtual private server. Then I can still have the control and tinkering power I have now but without the worries of consumer DSL and electricity nor the expense of a dedicated co-located server. Hence my request for advice. I am looking for suggestions on finding a good VPS hosting company, or suggestions on Google-fu for effective research on my own (so far I have managed to find only masses of adverts), or pointers on trying something else. Some thoughts on what I think I need (please advise if I'm making mistakes, I'm new at this VPS thing): 1. One IP address that is not on any spam blacklists. 2. Enough horsepower to run: a. an Apache instance serving ~10,000 static hits on a busy day, usually much less b. an Exim instance accepting ~1,000 incoming e-mails daily, including spam, with rare floods of 20,000k+ backscatter spams c. enough SpamAssassin to scan the e-mail d. enough IMAP server to let me read the e-mail 3. ~10G of disk space. 4. Debian, preferably Lenny. 5. Cheap, ideally in the $10-15/mo range. 6. Reliable. Any and all advice cheerfully accepted and much appreciated, and follow-up questions happily answered. Reid -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:34:05PM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote: Basically, I've grown frustrated with trying to host important services off a consumer-grade network link. A little googling and Wikipedia-ing reveals that what I probably want is a virtual private server. Then I can still have the control and tinkering power I have now but without the worries of consumer DSL and electricity nor the expense of a dedicated co-located server. virtual is a bad keyword. Try focusing on the technology. e.g. linux xen hosting debian xen hosting 1. One IP address that is not on any spam blacklists. 2. Enough horsepower to run: a. an Apache instance serving ~10,000 static hits on a busy day, usually much less b. an Exim instance accepting ~1,000 incoming e-mails daily, including spam, with rare floods of 20,000k+ backscatter spams c. enough SpamAssassin to scan the e-mail d. enough IMAP server to let me read the e-mail 3. ~10G of disk space. 4. Debian, preferably Lenny. 5. Cheap, ideally in the $10-15/mo range. When I did the survey a year ago, there wasn't much to choose from at that range. At around 20$ there were more options. 6. Reliable. An interesting utility I found over time is an OpenVPN server to provide me simple linking between my various computers. This can easily be done with a Xen guest. Not possible, from what I can tell, with a OpenVZ host. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
On Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 21:28:50 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: This can easily be done with a Xen guest. Not possible, from what I can tell, with a OpenVZ host. Also OpenVZ can be oversold easily, whereas the same can't be done with Xen. (Well not memory anyway.) Xen is probably a nice option, but UML, KVM, VMWare are all much of a muchness if you're only paying peanuts for a small guest somewhere. Probably memory and I/O contention will be the most significant bottlenecks for any virtualised system you might try. Steve -- Debian GNU/Linux System Administration http://www.debian-administration.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:35:10PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: On Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 21:28:50 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: This can easily be done with a Xen guest. Not possible, from what I can tell, with a OpenVZ host. s/OpenVZ host/OpenVZ guest/ naturally. Also OpenVZ can be oversold easily, whereas the same can't be done with Xen. (Well not memory anyway.) THe CPU time can still be shared (and oversold). Xen is probably a nice option, but UML, KVM, VMWare are all much of a muchness if you're only paying peanuts for a small guest somewhere. At least at the time I did my searches, Xen was popular among hosting providers. At least those that offered unmanaged Debian guests, which is what I wanted. UML had a head-start, but has no read technical atvantage, AFAIK, and was on the retreat when I looked (e.g: linode.com). I was surprised at the relative small amount of vmware-based services. KVM was not mature enough at the time. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
Not necessarily. I would start off with a 64MB or 128MB and load test it. If it suits your needs, why pay more? it is necessary. Standard installation of apache + mysql + debian + postfix etch consume memory more than 128MB (maybe you can do tweaking) on my VPS server it takes 180MB+ by only running the server without any load yet. i did try to run the standard required for server on 64MB memory (i do have account on VPSVillage.com) and it give me no good. I have to upgrade to get it working. well, i prefer XEN because that is the best virtualization to date. Amazon EC2 and gogrid use XEN. and XEN cannot be oversold. On 10/14/08, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:35:10PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: On Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 21:28:50 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: This can easily be done with a Xen guest. Not possible, from what I can tell, with a OpenVZ host. s/OpenVZ host/OpenVZ guest/ naturally. Also OpenVZ can be oversold easily, whereas the same can't be done with Xen. (Well not memory anyway.) THe CPU time can still be shared (and oversold). Xen is probably a nice option, but UML, KVM, VMWare are all much of a muchness if you're only paying peanuts for a small guest somewhere. At least at the time I did my searches, Xen was popular among hosting providers. At least those that offered unmanaged Debian guests, which is what I wanted. UML had a head-start, but has no read technical atvantage, AFAIK, and was on the retreat when I looked (e.g: linode.com). I was surprised at the relative small amount of vmware-based services. KVM was not mature enough at the time. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 05:38:11PM -0700, paragasu wrote: well, i prefer XEN because that is the best virtualization to date. Amazon EC2 and gogrid use XEN. and XEN cannot be oversold. What makes it best for you as a guest? Xen CPU time can be oversold. And anyway, I would also care about recovering from my mistakes. e.g. things like console access. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
2008/10/15 paragasu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not necessarily. I would start off with a 64MB or 128MB and load test it. If it suits your needs, why pay more? it is necessary. Standard installation of apache + mysql + debian + postfix etch consume memory more than 128MB (maybe you can do tweaking) on my VPS server it takes 180MB+ by only running the server without any load yet. i did try to run the standard required for server on 64MB memory (i do have account on VPSVillage.com) and it give me no good. I have to upgrade to get it working. Well, maybe you're right about that, but: (1) My point still stands: start low and upgrade if needed. This way you won't be paying over the odds. Most VPS providers offer near-instant upgrades. (2) The OP didn't require MySQL. He specified static pages. This will lower his memory requirements. (3) Neither you nor the OP specified which version of Apache, nor which mods. This will also affect his memory requirements. (4) I'm fairly sure it's possible to get an email web server running on Etch with less than 128MB RAM. Whether the resulting server would be able to handle the loads the OP specified, I'm not sure, but it's doubtful. See (1) above. (5) OpenVZ has a lower overhead resource usage (see http://vpslink.com/compare/openvz-vs-xen-vps-hosting/) so it's a less expensive option unless you need Xen-specific VPS features (the ability to tweak the kernel, for instance). This could explain why your 64MB vpsvillage.com account (on Xen) might have lower performance than, say, a 64MB VPSVille.ca account (on OpenVZ). spk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virtual private server? advice requested
Reid Priedhorsky wrote: 5. Cheap, ideally in the $10-15/mo range. This will be the hardest part. Most in the $10-$15 range won't have enough RAM to do the things you want or disc space that you desire. $20/month is a closer price point. Personally I've gotten VMs from tektonik.com(?)/unixshell.com and now vpsland.com. I cannot recommend the first two. Unixshell is their Xen offering which they abandoned quite a while ago. I'm not sure if they restarted that offering but the fact they were so ready to let it go has soured me on them forever. Tektonik (I think that's the name) uses Virtuosso for their VMs. No swap and tiny RAM makes for a very unhappy install. VPSLand is ok. Not great. Their customer support site is not the best, nor is their billing. However I rarely ever have to contact them. They offer Xen with pretty much every major Linux distro. Reasonable prices. I run Apache/Exim/SA on their 256Mb VM which gives me ~8Gb of hard drive space. No problems at all. I think I'm paying just shy (or barely over) $20/month. As for Google-fu I would recommend searching on Xen Debian. The last time I tried that there were no shortage of hits. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who can decide what they dream PGP Key: 1FC01004 | and dream I do ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
