Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
On Thu 23 Aug 2018 at 07:58:33 (+0530), shirish शिरीष wrote: > On 21/08/2018, Reco wrote: > >> Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have > >> unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I > >> do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application > >> or is there something more that I don't know ? > The last commit to unrar-free was done in 2004 and that 's about it . > You can find the commits in /usr/share/doc/unrar-free/changelog.gz Well, it's still getting security updates; I see one dated 2017-09-07. > So the question is, are there any corner cases where unrar-free excels > unar and if not can or should it be removed from the Debian repo. ? As it happens, there was a question that illustrated differences in their features just yesterday: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/463926/extracting-rar-files-with-unrar-free-and-unar-need-progress-completion-and-ti so I guess it depends what people's priorities are. Why would you want it removed? Cheers, David.
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 07:58:33AM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: So the question is, are there any corner cases where unrar-free excels As I suggested before, compatability with existing scripts is one reason--unar has incompatible command line syntax. (Although along those lines, having /usr/bin/unrar be an alternative between two programs with incompatible options as currently is horrible.) There are a number of other packages which depend on or recommend unrar, which would presumably need to be modified to work with unar. (And now I'm wondering how many of them break if unrar-nonfree is installed.) In general things aren't removed just because there are options. Mike Stone
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
at bottom :- On 21/08/2018, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:26:53PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Please CC me as I'm not following the list per-se (due to traffic >> constraints and just inability to manage information flow.) >> >> Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have >> unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I >> do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application >> or is there something more that I don't know ? > > It's more likely that you've been lucky and haven't met multipart solid > password-protected RAR5 archives. unar cannot chew on these. > bsdtar (which has some RAR support) cannot even do 'solid' part of > previous statement. > So, it's sad, gross, but unrar-nonfree stays in non-free for all those > cornercases. > > Reco > Dear Reco and all, Except for Michael it seems nobody understood the question I was asking. There is unrar-free and unrar, both are different packages - $ apt-cache policy unrar-free unrar-free: Installed: 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-4 Candidate: 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-4 Version table: *** 1:0.0.1+cvs20140707-4 500 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status $ apt-cache policy unrar unrar: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:5.5.8-1 Version table: 1:5.5.8-1 500 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/non-free amd64 Packages 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/non-free amd64 Packages There is also package unar which is a different package altogether - $ apt-cache policy unar unar: Installed: 1.10.1-2+b2 Candidate: 1.10.1-2+b2 Version table: *** 1.10.1-2+b2 500 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status See the different version numbers and either $aptitude show $PACKAGENAME or tracker.debian.org/$PACKAGENAME to show the differences. My query is/was a more simpler one. The last commit to unrar-free was done in 2004 and that 's about it . You can find the commits in /usr/share/doc/unrar-free/changelog.gz The homepage given doesn't exist more https://gna.org/projects/unrar/ and the only kind thing about the package repo. is somebody made a mirror on github for posterity purposes when the original URL was shut down. https://github.com/Lesik/unrar-free also see http://www.unrarlib.org/ for some documentation from that time. So the question is, are there any corner cases where unrar-free excels unar and if not can or should it be removed from the Debian repo. ? The question has nothing to do with unrar which is non-free but only asks about packages in Main repo. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
Hi. On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:26:53PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Hi all, > > Please CC me as I'm not following the list per-se (due to traffic > constraints and just inability to manage information flow.) > > Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have > unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I > do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application > or is there something more that I don't know ? It's more likely that you've been lucky and haven't met multipart solid password-protected RAR5 archives. unar cannot chew on these. bsdtar (which has some RAR support) cannot even do 'solid' part of previous statement. So, it's sad, gross, but unrar-nonfree stays in non-free for all those cornercases. Reco
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 08:09:21PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Michael Stone (2018-08-21): Read more closely. :) Please elaborate. He didn't say "unrar"
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
On 2018-08-21 20:09 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Michael Stone (2018-08-21): >> Read more closely. :) > > Please elaborate. unrar-free ≠ unrar $ apt-cache show unrar-free | grep Section Section: utils $ apt-cache show unrar | grep Section Section: non-free/utils Cheers, Sven
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
Michael Stone (2018-08-21): > Read more closely. :) Please elaborate. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 08:01:19PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: shirish शिरीष (2018-08-21): Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application or is there something more that I don't know ? The unrar package is not free. Read this: Read more closely. :) Mike Stone
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:26:53PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application or is there something more that I don't know ? You'd be sad if you had a script that ran unrar-free and the program was silently replaced with unar. Mike Stone
Re: what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
shirish शिरीष (2018-08-21): > Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have > unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I > do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application > or is there something more that I don't know ? The unrar package is not free. Read this: https://www.debian.org/intro/free Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: Digital signature
what is special about unrar-free when we have unar ?
Hi all, Please CC me as I'm not following the list per-se (due to traffic constraints and just inability to manage information flow.) Does anybody know why unrar-free is till in Debian repo. when we have unar which does the same or more (support for rarv5 among others) . I do get the idea that we should have alternatives for any application or is there something more that I don't know ? -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8
