Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-26 Thread Alvin Oga


On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:

  Whatever.  I can print now.  I just need to figure out why firefox is
  printing pages such that four can fit on a sheet ... not that I mind
  so much, but it's curious.  A matter for another day, I suppose.
 
  a2ps -2 /etc/printcap   - 2 pages per paper w/ borders a2ps -4
  /etc/printcap   - 4 pages per paper
 
  enscript -2r /etc/printcap  - no borders
 
 How do I use these within Firefox?  I just get a drop-down box with a
 handful of printing options.

that's good ..

when you click print ... some apps will give you the print options
sometimes -Plpr

which you'd change to -Pencript  instead of the default lpr
printer

and you'd define a new printer ( different printer filter rules ) in
/etc/printcap

untested /etc/printcap example below and assuming you've got the printer
connected to the local printer port

-- you want to add the new outputting rules with a new printer name

#
# New modified /etc/printcap
#
lp|HP:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
:sh:mx#0:\
:if=/usr/local/sbin/printers/hplaser:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp-log:

#
# notice the (of) output filter rule
#
encript:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
:sh:mx#0:\
:if=/usr/local/sbin/printers/hplaser:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp-log:\
:of=enscript -2r:

#
# notice the (of) output filter rule
#
a2ps:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
:sh:mx#0:\
:if=/usr/local/sbin/printers/hplaser:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp-log:\
:of=a2ps -2:

# restart your lpd daemons

# test the printer outputs

lpr -Plpr /etc/print

lpr -Pencript /etc/printcap
- should output 2 pages per paper no borders

lpr -Pa2ps /etc/printcap
- should output 2 pagers per paper w/ borders

mozilla - print -  change the printer option from -Plpr 
to -Pencript

- you will also need magicfilter or equiv for your 
input filter to take postscript input and convert
to a ( PCL ) format your printer understands
c ya
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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-26 Thread Jason Rennie
This fixed my problem (fresh install from Beta 4 CD about a week ago).
Many thanks Jim!

Jason

On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 04:32:14PM -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:
 This could be your problem if you're running a quite recent (from
 Debian testing) version of Firefox which uses Xprint to do its
 printing.
 
 If that *is* your problem, the solution, for many people at least, has
 been to edit the file:
 
  /etc/Xprint/en_US/print/attribute/document
 
 and/or:
 
  /etc/Xprint/C/print/attribute/document
 
 (it depends on how how you have locales set up on your system).
 
 and set:
 
 *default-printer-resolution: 600
 
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yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
(on sid)

Okay, I know this is pathetic, but I haven't had printing set up on my
user debian machine in ... well, ever.  Or several installs ago, anyway.
This particular machine tends to be my guinea pig.  And printing always
seems so complicated and whatnot ... and I rarely print, anyway ... so I
just didn't bother.  Our printer has its own IP address and all, so this
really should be straight-forward; I'm just lazy.

Anyway, I finally did it.  It was odd.  I had a magicfilter script in
place, so I installed lprng and ran the mf configurator.  It barfed when
it claimed couldn't find /etc/init.d/lpd.  So I uninstalled lprng and
installed lpr.  That gave me permission errors on a non-existent file,
namely /var/spool/lpd/printer/.seq , iirc.  So after trying all sorts
of other stuff, I reinstalled lprng and suddenly, it works.

Whatever.  I can print now.  I just need to figure out why firefox is
printing pages such that four can fit on a sheet ... not that I mind so
much, but it's curious.  A matter for another day, I suppose.

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya monique

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:

 installed lpr.  That gave me permission errors on a non-existent file,
 namely /var/spool/lpd/printer/.seq , iirc.

that'd be normal ... one has to create the right permissions on
the /var/spool/lpd/printer  where printer corresponds to the
name /etc/printcap

 Whatever.  I can print now.  I just need to figure out why firefox is
 printing pages such that four can fit on a sheet ... not that I mind so
 much, but it's curious.  A matter for another day, I suppose.

a2ps -2 /etc/printcap   - 2 pages per paper w/ borders
a2ps -4 /etc/printcap   - 4 pages per paper

enscript -2r /etc/printcap  - no borders

...

c ya
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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread John Summerfield
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
(on sid)
Okay, I know this is pathetic, but I haven't had printing set up on my
user debian machine in ... well, ever.  Or several installs ago, anyway.
This particular machine tends to be my guinea pig.  And printing always
seems so complicated and whatnot ... and I rarely print, anyway ... so I
just didn't bother.  Our printer has its own IP address and all, so this
really should be straight-forward; I'm just lazy.
Anyway, I finally did it.  It was odd.  I had a magicfilter script in
place, so I installed lprng 
 

I quite like cups. It can automagically find other cups printers. Add a 
new printer to that box over there and everyone knows about it. Works 
with Windows 2k too (but I don't know the details).

I told a mate about it. He, like me, is a bit of a fiddler. He installed 
it, fell in love with it.

I'd previously fought with both lpd and lprng on RHL. CUPS is better.
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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Kent West
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:56:28 -0600
Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Whatever.  I can print now.  I just need to figure out why firefox is
 printing pages such that four can fit on a sheet ... not that I mind so
 much, but it's curious.  A matter for another day, I suppose.

Several others, myself included, have seen this same behavior. Like you, I don't find 
printing important enough to have followed the revelant threads to a solution, but I'm 
thinking it may have something to do with the dropping of postscript output in the 
Debian package of Firefox (which caused a big flap a few weeks back on this list).

(Apologies if this is in HTML, or exceeds 72 width, etc; I'm typing from a new (to me) 
client, Sylpheed, running off a DamnSmallLinux CD (after being reminded of DSL on this 
week's TheLinuxShow and deciding to give it a try).

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Nate Bargmann
* John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004 Jul 25 06:34 -0500]:
 I quite like cups. It can automagically find other cups printers. Add a 
 new printer to that box over there and everyone knows about it. Works 
 with Windows 2k too (but I don't know the details).
 
 I told a mate about it. He, like me, is a bit of a fiddler. He installed 
 it, fell in love with it.
 
 I'd previously fought with both lpd and lprng on RHL. CUPS is better.

I concur.  I never have had satisfactory print quality on my agin
Lexmark 4039-10R with lpr/lprng with magicfilter/apsfilter.  I started
playing with CUPS a month or so back and once I installed libgimpprint
and used their ljet3 driver in CUPS I got the best output from that
printer I have seen yet.

I really like the Web style admin interface even if it is a bit quirky
the first time through (like all interfaces it seems).  Not having to
edit some obxcure text file suits me fine.  I'm happily using a program
that was too complicated for even ESR to setup.  ;-)

- Nate 

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Jason Rennie
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 09:53:13AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
 I concur.  I never have had satisfactory print quality on my agin
 Lexmark 4039-10R with lpr/lprng with magicfilter/apsfilter.  I started
 playing with CUPS a month or so back and once I installed libgimpprint
 and used their ljet3 driver in CUPS I got the best output from that
 printer I have seen yet.

I'm on the other side of the fence ATM; just installed CUPS and
configured my Samsung ML-1710 (CUPS had an exact match for
make/model).  Test page prints great, enscript'd text prints great,
even simple postscript (latex-dvi-postscript) works great.  But,
pages printed from firefox/mozilla are a mess---just a jumble of lines
at the top of the page; doesn't look anything like gv shows.  I didn't
have any problems like this when I was running RedHat/Fedora... (same
printer)

Might there be a driver package I'm missing?  These are the packages I
apt-get installed:

cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gimpprint xpp cupsomatic-ppd
foomatic-db-gimp-print

Any help/ideas would be much appreciated :)

Thanks,

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Katipo
Kent West wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:56:28 -0600
Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Whatever.  I can print now.  I just need to figure out why firefox is
printing pages such that four can fit on a sheet ... not that I mind so
much, but it's curious.  A matter for another day, I suppose.
   

Several others, myself included, have seen this same behavior. Like you, I don't 
find printing important enough to have followed the revelant threads to a solution, 
but I'm thinking it may have something to do with the dropping of postscript output in 
the Debian package of Firefox (which caused a big flap a few weeks back on this list).
 

There's actually a debian package that features this, i.e., four pages 
onto one.
It looks very much as though your printing programme is being routed 
through this.
Regretfully, I can't remember the name of the package, but it is in main.
Regards,

David.
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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Jason Rennie
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 11:25:22PM +0800, Katipo wrote:
 There's actually a debian package that features this, i.e., four pages 
 onto one.
 It looks very much as though your printing programme is being routed 
 through this.
 Regretfully, I can't remember the name of the package, but it is in main.
 Regards,

mpage?

Jason


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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004 Jul 25 10:29 -0500]:
 On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 09:53:13AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
  I concur.  I never have had satisfactory print quality on my agin
  Lexmark 4039-10R with lpr/lprng with magicfilter/apsfilter.  I started
  playing with CUPS a month or so back and once I installed libgimpprint
  and used their ljet3 driver in CUPS I got the best output from that
  printer I have seen yet.
 
 I'm on the other side of the fence ATM; just installed CUPS and
 configured my Samsung ML-1710 (CUPS had an exact match for
 make/model).  Test page prints great, enscript'd text prints great,
 even simple postscript (latex-dvi-postscript) works great.  But,
 pages printed from firefox/mozilla are a mess---just a jumble of lines
 at the top of the page; doesn't look anything like gv shows.  I didn't
 have any problems like this when I was running RedHat/Fedora... (same
 printer)
 
 Might there be a driver package I'm missing?  These are the packages I
 apt-get installed:

I think it depends on whether you are using mozilla.org builds or
Debian packages for Mozilla and/or Firefox.  The Debian pakages
currently require Xprint.  I am using the mozilla.org builds with no
problems.  The default margins may need to be reset or the header and
footer may not be visible.

 cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gimpprint xpp cupsomatic-ppd
 foomatic-db-gimp-print

I did install cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client, cupsys-driver-gimpprint/data,
etc.  I ried foomatic, but never got any output so I gave up on it, but
that may be more a problem with my printer than foomatic.  I have to
use a driver that generates PCL as it doesn't have enough memory to
process PostScript.  :-(

 Any help/ideas would be much appreciated :)

Try the upstream Firefox with postscript output?

- Nate 

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Kent West
Jason Rennie wrote:
These are the packages I
apt-get installed:
cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gimpprint xpp cupsomatic-ppd
foomatic-db-gimp-print
 

I think this may be part of the confusion with setting up printers using 
cups on Debian. There is no package named cups (tasksel, anyone?). And 
why would I want to install gimpprint drivers if I'm not interested in 
printing from gimp? Granted, googling, etc, for documentation might 
address that confusion, but it's my thinking that ease-of-use could be 
greatly enhanced in this area. But oh well, developers/package 
maintainers have their own itches to scratch, and they do a fantastic 
job of what they do, and I'm obviously not fixing the problem, so I'll 
shut up now.

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 12:40:05PM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote:
 mpage?

Or enscript?

J.


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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Tom Furie
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 03:31:19PM -0300, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 12:40:05PM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote:
  mpage?
 
 Or enscript?

or a2ps?

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2004-07-25, Kent West penned:
 Jason Rennie wrote:

These are the packages I apt-get installed:

cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gimpprint xpp cupsomatic-ppd
foomatic-db-gimp-print
  


 I think this may be part of the confusion with setting up printers
 using cups on Debian. There is no package named cups (tasksel,
 anyone?). And why would I want to install gimpprint drivers if I'm
 not interested in printing from gimp? Granted, googling, etc, for
 documentation might address that confusion, but it's my thinking that
 ease-of-use could be greatly enhanced in this area. But oh well,
 developers/package maintainers have their own itches to scratch, and
 they do a fantastic job of what they do, and I'm obviously not fixing
 the problem, so I'll shut up now.

I just assumed cupsys was the right thing to install for cups?  (Haven't
done it, though.)  I guess I'm wrong?

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Jason Rennie
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 11:38:06AM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
 I just assumed cupsys was the right thing to install for cups?  (Haven't
 done it, though.)  I guess I'm wrong?

cupsys: CUPS server
cupsys-client:  CUPS client programs
cupsys-bsd: CUPS BSD-style client programs (e.g. lpr, lpq, lprm)
cupsys-driver-gimpprint:CUPS drivers
foomatic-db-gimp-print: more drivers (most of the drivers are here)

I'd be nice if there were some virtual package,
e.g. cups-printing-system, that depended on all of these packages (plus
any necessary ones I'm missing)...  but I guess that's wishful
thinking...

Jason


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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2004-07-25, Alvin Oga penned:

 hi ya monique

 On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:

 installed lpr.  That gave me permission errors on a non-existent
 file, namely /var/spool/lpd/printer/.seq , iirc.

 that'd be normal ... one has to create the right permissions on the
 /var/spool/lpd/printer  where printer corresponds to the name
 /etc/printcap

I'm pretty sure that's what the magicfilterconfig script was supposed to
do, but it got itself confused enough that it confused me, too.

I never did change the permissions in those directories myself; they
just eventually worked, presumably because of what the package installs
were doing.

Speaking of which, and maybe I'm misunderstanding the process, but where
is it specified that script init.d/A will be executed as user B?

 Whatever.  I can print now.  I just need to figure out why firefox is
 printing pages such that four can fit on a sheet ... not that I mind
 so much, but it's curious.  A matter for another day, I suppose.

 a2ps -2 /etc/printcap - 2 pages per paper w/ borders a2ps -4
 /etc/printcap - 4 pages per paper

 enscript -2r /etc/printcap- no borders

How do I use these within Firefox?  I just get a drop-down box with a
handful of printing options.

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Jason Rennie
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 11:51:02AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
 I think it depends on whether you are using mozilla.org builds or
 Debian packages for Mozilla and/or Firefox.  The Debian pakages
 currently require Xprint.  I am using the mozilla.org builds with no
 problems.  The default margins may need to be reset or the header and
 footer may not be visible.

I'm using Debian packages; just installed from a Beta 4 net CD image a
week ago.  Appears I have Xprint:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get install xprt-xprintorg
Password:
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
xprt-xprintorg is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

It's not just a header/footer issue.  The entire print-out is garbage.

This being a Mozilla/Firefox issue seems unlikely (at least to me :).
When I print to file from Moz/FFox, I can view the printout w/ gv
fine.  But, lpr mozilla.ps comes out of the printer as garbage.
Seems like the wrong filter gets applied on the way to the printer or
no filter gets applied at all (I don't think my printer can deal with
postscript), or something like that.

 Try the upstream Firefox with postscript output?

Which version are you talking about?

Jason


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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2004-07-25, Kent West penned:
 On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:56:28 -0600 Monique Y. Mudama
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Whatever.  I can print now.  I just need to figure out why firefox is
 printing pages such that four can fit on a sheet ... not that I mind
 so much, but it's curious.  A matter for another day, I suppose.

 Several others, myself included, have seen this same behavior. Like
 you, I don't find printing important enough to have followed the
 revelant threads to a solution, but I'm thinking it may have something
 to do with the dropping of postscript output in the Debian package of
 Firefox (which caused a big flap a few weeks back on this list).

Ah, yes, I saw some flapping but didn't realize it affected me =)

 (Apologies if this is in HTML, or exceeds 72 width, etc; I'm typing
 from a new (to me) client, Sylpheed, running off a DamnSmallLinux CD
 (after being reminded of DSL on this week's TheLinuxShow and deciding
 to give it a try).

It's not in html, but there was no linewrapping.

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004 Jul 25 14:12 -0500]:
  Try the upstream Firefox with postscript output?
 
 Which version are you talking about?

www.mozilla.org

- Nate 

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread J F

Did you do anything special to get postscript
to print using CUPS?
My printer just prints out the raw postscript
language text without rasterizing it?




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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:25:45 -0400
Subject: Re: yay! I can print!

On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 09:53:13AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:br I concur.  I never 
have had satisfactory print quality on my aginbr Lexmark 4039-10R with lpr/lprng 
with magicfilter/apsfilter.  I startedbr playing with CUPS a month or so back and 
once I installed libgimpprintbr and used their ljet3 driver in CUPS I got the best 
output from thatbr printer I have seen yet.brbrI'm on the other side of the 
fence ATM; just installed CUPS andbrconfigured my Samsung ML-1710 (CUPS had an exact 
match forbrmake/model).  Test page prints great, enscript'd text prints 
great,breven simple postscript (latex-dvi-postscript) works great.  But,brpages 
printed from firefox/mozilla are a mess---just a jumble of linesbrat the top of the 
page; doesn't look anything like gv shows.  I didn'tbrhave any problems like this 
when I was running RedHat/Fedora... (samebrprinter)brbrMight there be a driver 
package I'm missing?  These are the packages Ibrapt-get insta
 lled:brbrcupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gimpprint xpp 
cupsomatic-ppdbrfoomatic-db-gimp-printbrbrAny help/ideas would be much 
appreciated :)brbrThanks,brbrJasonbrbrbr-- brTo UNSUBSCRIBE, email to 
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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread John L Fjellstad
I was in the same situation up until last year.  Couldn't print after
installing Debian, and since I didn't need to print anything, I just
didn't bother looking into it.

Finally had to print something last year, and really didn't look forward
to it (remembering of hard it was to set up lpr).  Installed Cups, and
all possible printer drivers, went to the Cups configpage, and picked
the printer driver from a pulldown menu, printer from the device, and
all was fine.  Even managed to set up the printer as a network printer,
which I've never done before...

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread Jim McCloskey
Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

|  Several others, myself included, have seen this same behavior. Like
|  you, I don't find printing important enough to have followed the
|  revelant threads to a solution, but I'm thinking it may have something
|  to do with the dropping of postscript output in the Debian package of
|  Firefox (which caused a big flap a few weeks back on this list).
|
| Ah, yes, I saw some flapping but didn't realize it affected me =)

This could be your problem if you're running a quite recent (from
Debian testing) version of Firefox which uses Xprint to do its
printing.

If that *is* your problem, the solution, for many people at least, has
been to edit the file:

 /etc/Xprint/en_US/print/attribute/document

and/or:

 /etc/Xprint/C/print/attribute/document

(it depends on how how you have locales set up on your system).

and set:

*default-printer-resolution: 600

Jim


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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread John Summerfield
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
I just assumed cupsys was the right thing to install for cups?  (Haven't
done it, though.)  I guess I'm wrong?
 

I have these cups packages installed:
ii  cupsomatic-ppd 20040506-1 linuxprinting.org printer support - 
transiti
ii  cupsys 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
ii  cupsys-client  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
client pro
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-7Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-7Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  libcupsimage2  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
image libs
ii  libcupsys2-gnu 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs

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Re: yay! I can print!

2004-07-25 Thread John Summerfield
Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 12:40:05PM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote:
 

mpage?
   

Or enscript?
 

I rather like kde. Somewhere embedded in it is kprinter. I used to be 
able to hook it into Moz by configuring the commandline print prog, but 
that option seems to have vanished. It's still in my prefs file, but not 
acted on. I plan on reportbugging it some time.


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