Re: On community and conflicts

2023-03-17 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Roberto C. Sánchez  wrote on 15/03/2023 at 20:10:01+0100:

> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:00:55PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
>> Thomas,
>> 
>> Thank you for this post.  I found it an informative read.
>> 
>> My personal opinion is that Debian is not the proper venue for discussions 
>> that do not have a strong nexus to development of Debian itself.  As such, I 
>> don’t feel that any of the emails or posts you wrote were appropriate for 
>> sending to Debian’s email lists or posting on Debian websites except for the 
>> email questions about how Debian can best handle the increasing difficulty 
>> caused by laws that prohibit the free-flow of contributions and software 
>> between countries (your email of 3 April 2022).
>> 
>> However much I might agree with the factual content of the other emails and 
>> posts, I don’t think it serves Debian well to get involved in controversial 
>> topics unless they directly impact the operation of Debian itself (for 
>> example, laws related to copyright or patents).
>> 
> Yet, would someone posting about the earth being flat, the moon landings
> being faked, or aliens being kept in various secret government
> facilities around the world have been so swiftly removed from the
> project?

I sincerely hope so.

We have already a lot of energy invested in our daily lives to not lose
more in Debian about non-scientific garbage.

Debian is not for that, and no place should be used for that anyway.
-- 
PEB


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Re: On community and conflicts

2023-03-17 Thread Thomas Goirand

On 3/16/23 16:24, Sam Hartman wrote:

It was disruptive, and disruptive of Debian's mission.
This was true even before DAM acted.
Even before any action was taken, people were not ignoring Thomas's
messages.

Thomas's messages were disrupting our mailing lists in a way that is in
my mind inconsistent with our mailing list rules.


I find all of this thread also disrupting, off-topic, and very annoying.

Thomas, if you feel like you need to discuss your case in public *again* 
(which IMO, you shouldn't do at all...), could you please at least avoid 
hijacking the DPL elections to do so?


Thomas Goirand (zigo)