Re: Questions to all DPL candidates
If it is non-free, then it doesn't belong in Debian. We never should have created a non-free section in the first place. If some outside, third party were to mirror the non-free section and maintain it as a separate distribution, usable with apt-get, that would be best. Although Debian is committed to providing a smooth, convenient experience for our users, we are even more committed to Freedom. If we have Freedom, the smooth, convenient comforts of life will inevitably come along in their own good time, without compromising what is important. Jonathan On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 12:30:00PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: I would like to know your opinion about the discrimination of the contrib and non-free parts of the Debian archive(*). Do you think that hidding important pieces of software does serve our users? (with or without the bug license teaching messages) The best example for the current practice is removal of the question about adding contrib/non-free in apt-setup, which has now a low priority which means it is _hidden_ for a normal installation and so effectively disappeared in every normal installation. Thanks, Eduard. (*) some people claim that contrib and non-free are not part of Debian but they use their own definition (Debian==main archive) which I do not talk about. What I mean is the whole Debian distribution as seen by the majority of the users. -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Website: http://reactor-core.org/ Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Question for the Debate/Candidates
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 02:18:43PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: I'll keep it short and simple: What Muppet character do you see yourself as, and why? Kermit the Frog. Why? Because I'm a source of calm, level-headedness in a madhouse filled with people running around in every direction. Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Website: http://reactor-core.org/ Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Question for candidate Walther
, * a pending release, * a test release, * the archives being recreated, * anything other than 'XFree86 4.3 with Alan Cox's VIA patches'. Yep, Xouvert certainly had problems. a) the commit repositories weren't lost, and never recreated. b) testing was limited due to resource starvation at the end. c) yes, we fell down in announcing the release. However, the pending release WAS announced long in advance, on the website. And the release was available on the website for a while, until things got reshuffled in the aftermath of a breakin. I read your platform, and attempt to reconcile your statement from the first paragraph of this mail, with the history of Xouvert. I hope I was able to clear matters up to your satisfaction. Cheers! Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Website: http://reactor-core.org/ Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Questions for candidate Walther
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 02:19:28AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Please explain how you reconcile this claim with the periodic announcements from the release team stating that Debian is currently missing key bits of architecture that prevent us from releasing sarge. The OpenBSD six-month cycle is clear; if a new change is ready, it doesn't go in. Since we still have a previous stable release, the six month release cycle means our current stable release will be released as the new release if necessary. Including all possible updates that passed through testing, of course. Please also elaborate on the conversations you've had with the release team, the porter teams, the installer team, the CD team, the stable release manager, and the security team that would warrant asserting that you as a DPL would be able to commit the project to a 6-month release cycle. I committed to working toward a six-month cycle. As DPL, I have no desire to act unilaterally. Once a sufficient number of us are inspired with the right vision, things will just happen. As DPL, my job is to inspire-with-vision. And that is something I am good at. Whatever my other flaws, you can be guaranteed that I will always listen to what you have to say. Please explain how you reconcile this statement with the fact that I have been assured by several people that you posted a copy of your IRC client's config file, showing that you are ignoring all comments from one of Debian's release managers. Since every comment you've made about me on IRC for the past three years has been nasty, rude, and unpleasant, I put you on /ignore. But you will notice you were still able to email me. If you had picked up the telephone and given me a ring, I would have rewarded your effort. I find it sad that this email is the most civil communication I've ever recieved from you. Listening to people does not mean being a doormat for them. I don't get angry, and I don't hold grudges, but I certainly do tune out noise. When the noise stops, listening resumes. Complementing this, I am a gifted public speaker, pleasant, polite, and a keen listener. Please explain how you reconcile this claim with this quote from you on #debian-devel on irc.debian.org: SirDibos any woman wants another baby, I'll be happy to oblige. making babies is my specialty The jokes one makes among friends are considerably different from the restrained tones of one adopts in civilized company. The activities of #debian-devel have always had the flavor of the wild west, not that of a bridge club. When in Rome, I do as the Romans do. Do you? Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Website: http://reactor-core.org/ Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Questions for candidates: as spokesperson of Debian Project
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 10:28:30AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I'm asking: are there any potential situations in which you would feel the need to curtail outside activities because they could cast a bad light on your work as the DPL? Not at all. All my non-Debian activities are 100% legal, 100% kosher. My choir practice group and bee-keeping club wouldn't have it any other way! Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Website: http://reactor-core.org/ Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Clarification about krooger's platform
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 08:30:54PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 12:34:25PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote: Can we _please_ stop refering to people by their nicknames, IRC handles or whatever it is that you are using? It's bad enough to try and remember a couple hundred names, don't make it worse by adding a few hundred handles to that. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ finger krooger | head -1 Login: krooger Name: Jonathan Walther http://www.debian.org/vote/2005/platforms/krooger Solved that one problem, but not the general problem. I second Marcelo's request. Thirded. I prefer to be called by my real name. krooger isn't even an IRC handle. Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Website: http://reactor-core.org/ Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Questions for candidates: as spokesperson of Debian Project
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 05:48:20PM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote: Questions: * Do you think DPL has spokesperson's job? Absolutely! Every Debian Developer acts as a representative of Debian, but the DPL is first among equals, so to speak. My skills at writing, public speaking, and listening to others are big asset in being a spokesperson. * What do you think about Debian Project acts for political/legal theme with other projects such as FSF, EFF and so on? (Although we've already done sometimes.) Debian has its own goals. Often we cooperate with the FSF and EFF because we have many shared interests. But at the end of the day, we are making a distribution. Many of our members help out other organizations, like the FSF, and EFF, on their own. Debian doesn't have the resources to focus on anything other than making the best GNU/Linux distribution on the planet. * If foreign people asks you speech or discussion, can you make a time to trip even if the place is too far from your home? Sure, as long as I had help with travel expenses. Those were good questions; thanks for asking them. Hope to hear more from you in the future. Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Website: http://reactor-core.org/ Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Clarification about krooger's platform
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 04:31:08AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Is anything to be fixed with the three-month analysis, or is it just to get some first steps recommendations? The DPL term is only twelve months, so I guess the arbitrary length is to give some time for krooger to work on it, if I'm being trusting. Nothing is perfect on the first attempt. By publishing something quickly, we provide a basis for further research and study. After a two month period of public comment, the stakeholder committee would have another month to update their official document. Why should the sex imbalance be seen as any more urgent than race, culture or any of the other tons of ways debian is demographically different? Debian already has a debian-women mailing list for discussing such issues. This indicates there is are real and widespread concerns among Debian members which have not been addressed yet. Hopefully with more focused attention, a definite timeline, and official standing, the concerns can be articulated in a way that makes it easier to discuss and implement solutions. It is important that Debian not exclude anyone who has a valuable contribution to make. Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura Patriarchy, Polygamy, Slavery === Fatherhood, Husbandry, Mastery Matriarchy, Monogamy, Prisons === Wickedness, Stupidity, Buggery signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Clarification about krooger's platform
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:10:45PM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote: None of the individuals listed in the gender imbalance section were consulted about this plan The initial slate of stakeholder candidates were chosen for their publicly demonstrated commitment to gender equity in Debian. Should any candidate prefer to direct their efforts toward other activities, in my role as DPL, and in behalf of Debian, I will encourage and assist their efforts in any way possible. We also think these issues are deeper than can be fixed with a three month analysis. The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest journey begins without that single step! Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Clarification about krooger's platform
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 05:28:05PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest journey begins without that single step! Giving someone a shove down the stairs isn't a real winning strategy to starting a journey. I'm sorry you feel that way. If you decide not to participate, your presence on the committee will be missed. I think yours is a voice that deserves to be heard. Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Clarification about krooger's platform
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 06:07:35PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: If you don't like my choices, feel free to form your own committee. As DPL I will endorse whichever de facto committee already exists at the time of my election. An informal group of individuals has been in operation for some time now, working quietly and effectively to remedy the perceived issues. Your endorsement or otherwise will have no effect on this group, and that is as it should be. I'm glad you mentioned this. An informal group working quietly and effectively seems to lack accountability and public transparency. Debian is about openness. We have a strong commitment to justice and democracy in all that we do. If your goals are good, the perception of secrecy will do much to hinder them, and cast your motives in poor and base terms in the minds of onlookers. A perception of secret doings will cast a cloud of mistrust over Debian as a whole. Conversely, favorable public advertisement and participation can only help you prosper in your objectives, by supporting you with the assent of the entire body of Debian. God speed, Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura signature.asc Description: Digital signature
nomination
I nominate myself for Debian Project Leader. Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine Puritan: Sola Scriptura, Tota Scriptura Patriarchy, Polygamy, Slavery === Fatherhood, Husbandry, Mastery Matriarchy, Monogamy, Prisons === Wickedness, Stupidity, Buggery signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 11:12:59AM +0100, Christian T. Steigies wrote: All of you volunteers just remember: If you spend money out of your own pocket to help Debian and want to be repaid you are an evil idiot. If you complain after not getting paid for six months you are a naggy grouser. If you inquire about these topics regularly and comment on them then your organization is incompetent and so are you! 6 months!?! Lucky you. Your comment was mildly funny, but I'd like to remind you of the importance of solidarity in a project like this. Moshe said to love thy neighbor via constructive acts, even if you personally hate him. Brainfood, and Ean personally, have contributed a lot to Debian over the years. Cheers! Jonathan -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-684-1319 (daytime) Contact: 604-582-9308 (morning and evening) Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine. Sola Scriptura! Patriarchy, Polygamy, Slavery === Fatherhood, Husbandry, Mastery Matriarchy, Monogamy, Prisons === Wickedness, Stupidity, Buggery signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:34:35PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: Converting people to daily-digest mode is something that both Pascal and I talked about recently. Considering the amount of acrimony various participants have had, seen recently on debian-vote, and the fact that some of the public (and private) intervention managed to cool things down (a tiny amount). I think intervening and/or moving people to a daily-digest posting method will be worthwhile. I'd much prefer a kinder, gentler Debian development process -- that doesn't mean there can't be disagreements though. We just need to be civil. I prefer my fellow Debian brothers to develop rhinocerous hides. :-) -- Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:34:35PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: Converting people to daily-digest mode is something that both Pascal and I talked about recently. Considering the amount of acrimony various participants have had, seen recently on debian-vote, and the fact that some of the public (and private) intervention managed to cool things down (a tiny amount). I think intervening and/or moving people to a daily-digest posting method will be worthwhile. I'd much prefer a kinder, gentler Debian development process -- that doesn't mean there can't be disagreements though. We just need to be civil. I prefer my fellow Debian brothers to develop rhinocerous hides. :-) -- Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: why a debian project leader?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:12:36AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote: I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making. Ah, consensus doesn't require voting? Not in the sense that democrats are used to. But it does involve canvassing and finding out everyones position on a matter. Consensus is impossible in diverse groups. A diverse group is one where the members don't share a common vision and perceptual apparatus. Jonathan -- Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: why a debian project leader?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:12:36AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote: I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making. Ah, consensus doesn't require voting? Not in the sense that democrats are used to. But it does involve canvassing and finding out everyones position on a matter. Consensus is impossible in diverse groups. A diverse group is one where the members don't share a common vision and perceptual apparatus. Jonathan -- Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
