Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On 07/11/2016 06:39 PM, Margarita Manterola wrote: > I don't think this is a fair assessment. There are several desktops that are > based on the GTK libraries. A GTK application that uses the library but does > not > use any desktop specific libraries / extensions / etc, can be considered > desktop > agnostic for any of the GTK desktops. Installing the MATE libraries for Pluma comes at very little cost. Maintaining an additional package in Debian costs more, see below. > I'm in the camp of people that dislike the new gedit and I would welcome a > maintained text editor that uses GTK but is not linked against mate or > cinnamon or xfce or any other GTK desktop. The Debian Wiki lists 16 text editors (excluding Pluma) [1] and probably shows just a little selection of what we have in Debian. Are you really sure there is no editor that suits your needs? > I have not looked in detail into these new applications, but in general I > think > that the idea sounds like a good one and I don't think it's fair to dismiss > them > as desktop-agnostic because they use the GTK library. My main argument is not whether these applications are desktop agnostic or not, my main argument is that adding another text editor (or any package in general) is not just a matter of upload and forget, it's needs be properly maintained. I am saying that because we currently have over 1031 RC bugs that affect Stretch [2], a large number of these bugs exist because the packages in question are either unmaintained or poorly maintained - these are mostly gcc-6-related or debhelper- related issues. These Linux Mint apps are mostly maintained by Clement Lefebvre alone [3] while most of the other editors are maintained by a larger team. With my personal experience with Clement and the general quality problem that Linux Mint has [4], I do not have a lot of trust that he will be able to provide proper maintenance for these applications in the future and these so-called X apps will just be additional potential candidates for RC bugs. If we want to be able to release Stretch, we should rather focus on fixing existing packages than just adding new packages with redundant functionality but potential maintenance problems. Cheers, Adrian > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/TextEditor > [2] https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ > [3] https://github.com/linuxmint/xed/commits/master > [4] > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-the-linux-mint-hack-is-an-indicator-of-a-larger-problem/ -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
Hola John Paul Adrian Glaubitz! > Unlike previously mentioned in this discussion, these applications aren't > fully > desktop-agnostic as they are written in GTK and the Mint people admit that > themselves. I don't think this is a fair assessment. There are several desktops that are based on the GTK libraries. A GTK application that uses the library but does not use any desktop specific libraries / extensions / etc, can be considered desktop agnostic for any of the GTK desktops. I'm in the camp of people that dislike the new gedit and I would welcome a maintained text editor that uses GTK but is not linked against mate or cinnamon or xfce or any other GTK desktop. I have not looked in detail into these new applications, but in general I think that the idea sounds like a good one and I don't think it's fair to dismiss them as desktop-agnostic because they use the GTK library. -- Regards, Marga signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On 07/10/2016 03:34 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > That blog post made me think this was a coordinated effort between various DEs > to create some apps that they all would use. Which would mean we wouldn't > need a > gnome-$foo fork Cinnamon, another one for Mate, etc... It isn't, it's a Mint-only thing. > But it seems I was too naïve and that is not the case, and we're just going to > end up with one more fork as I initially feared. Yep, that's exactly the case. > I so hope I am wrong on this... I'm afraid you are not. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Bug#830624: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On 07/11/2016 10:45 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On Sun, 2016-07-10 at 08:39 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> Maybe the XFCE / Cinnamon / Mate maintainers can confirm if that is indeed >> the plan. > > Talking for pkg-xfce: I have no idea what this is about. The Linux Mint people (or the Mint guy if you will) have forked several GTK3-based desktop applications like Pluma and try to turn them into generic GTK-based desktop applications [1]. Unlike previously mentioned in this discussion, these applications aren't fully desktop-agnostic as they are written in GTK and the Mint people admit that themselves. Thus, I don't really see a benefit of having additional forked versions of these existing GTK-based applications in Debian but I just fear additional potentially unmaintained packages in the future (with my ports hat on, I am often the person who has to fix these things) and I am therefore strongly against uploading these forked versions to Debian. Adrian > [1] http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/ -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#830624: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On Sun, 2016-07-10 at 08:39 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Maybe the XFCE / Cinnamon / Mate maintainers can confirm if that is indeed > the plan. Talking for pkg-xfce: I have no idea what this is about. Regards, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On 10/07/16 15:14, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: >> On 09/07/16 22:31, Franciscarlos Santos Soares wrote: >>> Hi Emilio! >>> >>> Thank you for contacting us. In fact, like independent application of any >>> DE, >>> but they were compatible with the traditional look of windows and based on >>> the >>> GTK library. So would provide a good working environment in the old >>> computers >>> that read daily in public schools that work. >> >> I found >> http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/, >> which makes things clearer. This seems to be a cross-desktop (Mate, >> Cinnamon... >> XFCE?) project to provide some core apps. Which we wouldn't end up with >> multiple >> forks of the same stuff, and that addresses my concerns. > > That's the forking version of https://xkcd.com/927/ , isn't it? That blog post made me think this was a coordinated effort between various DEs to create some apps that they all would use. Which would mean we wouldn't need a gnome-$foo fork Cinnamon, another one for Mate, etc... But it seems I was too naïve and that is not the case, and we're just going to end up with one more fork as I initially feared. I so hope I am wrong on this... Cheers, Emilio
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: > On 09/07/16 22:31, Franciscarlos Santos Soares wrote: >> Hi Emilio! >> >> Thank you for contacting us. In fact, like independent application of any >> DE, >> but they were compatible with the traditional look of windows and based on >> the >> GTK library. So would provide a good working environment in the old >> computers >> that read daily in public schools that work. > > I found http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/, > which makes things clearer. This seems to be a cross-desktop (Mate, > Cinnamon... > XFCE?) project to provide some core apps. Which we wouldn't end up with > multiple > forks of the same stuff, and that addresses my concerns. That's the forking version of https://xkcd.com/927/ , isn't it? Bjørn
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
My apologies for the garbage reply that I sent earlier. Accidentally sent from a phone in my pocket. And it had three mailing lists on it, failing in style. :( Steve
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
m On 10 July 2016 08:59:59 CEST, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >On 07/10/2016 08:39 AM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> I foupml0lnd >http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/, >> which makes things clearer. Thisf seems to be a cross-desktop (Matea) >> $₩p5p!4♧''. jj >Cinnamon... >> XFCE?) project to provide some core apps. Which we wouldn't end up >with multiple >> forks of the same stuff, and that addressemt. I:.!I! ki;,H.i:s my concerns. > >Yep, same concern here. I'm on the MATE packaging team and I am against/£♥♥♥]e I iit-.su', >packaging any of these X apps. They don't bring any benefit really, any >of the >existing applications they are forking run perfectly fine on any >desktop that >Debian offers. > >I also fear additional work load for the security team if multiple >instances >of the same media player have to be taken care of. > >Adrian
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
Am 9. Juli 2016 22:05:31 MESZ, schrieb Franciscarlos Santos Soares : >Package: wnpp >Severity: wishlist >Owner: Franciscarlos Santos Soares > >* Package name: xplayer > Version : 1.0.7 > Upstream Author : Bastien Nocera Are you sure Bastien is really the upstream? That would really surprise me. -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
Quoting John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (2016-07-10 08:59:59) > On 07/10/2016 08:39 AM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > > I found > > http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/, > > which makes things clearer. This seems to be a cross-desktop (Mate, > > Cinnamon... XFCE?) project to provide some core apps. Which we > > wouldn't end up with multiple forks of the same stuff, and that > > addresses my concerns. > > Yep, same concern here. I'm on the MATE packaging team and I am > strongly against packaging any of these X apps. They don't bring any > benefit really, any of the existing applications they are forking run > perfectly fine on any desktop that Debian offers. > > I also fear additional work load for the security team if multiple > instances of the same media player have to be taken care of. I don't follow how it is "same concern": As I understand the blog post, the very purpose of X-Apps is to be desktop-agnostic. Do you consider pluma well suited as a desktop-agnostic editor? It currently links against libmate-desktop-2-17 and mate-desktop-common which seems not agnostic to me. I agree that if there are no real difference between programs tied to specific desktops and not tied to specific desktops, then we should maintain only one of them - but in my opinion it then makes better sense to maintain those *not* tied to MATE or any other desktop. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On 07/10/2016 09:55 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I don't follow how it is "same concern": As I understand the blog post, > the very purpose of X-Apps is to be desktop-agnostic. Do you consider > pluma well suited as a desktop-agnostic editor? It currently links > against libmate-desktop-2-17 and mate-desktop-common which seems not > agnostic to me. I didn't claim that Pluma is desktop-agnostic, I just said it runs just fine on any of the desktops that Debian offers. And I'm not sure how any of the X apps are supposed to be truly desktop- agnostic when they are using a particular toolkit like GTK or Qt. Unless they have completely rewritten Pluma from scratch - which I doubt because there wouldn't be a point of forking things - their version of Pluma will still be linking against GTK3 (hopefully not GTK2) which means it won't bring any huge improvements when running under any non-GTK desktops. Given the history of Linux Mint with their weird view on security (Linux Mint is the very definition of a FrankenDebian [1]) where they withhold important security updates because their weird mixture of packages would otherwise break too often or their hijacking of package names (mdm, for example), I don't really trust them to come up with a clean design for desktop agnostic applications. Heck, the first thing they wanted to do was naming their forked version of Pluma "xedit". Adrian > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On 07/10/2016 08:39 AM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > I found http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/, > which makes things clearer. This seems to be a cross-desktop (Mate, > Cinnamon... > XFCE?) project to provide some core apps. Which we wouldn't end up with > multiple > forks of the same stuff, and that addresses my concerns. Yep, same concern here. I'm on the MATE packaging team and I am strongly against packaging any of these X apps. They don't bring any benefit really, any of the existing applications they are forking run perfectly fine on any desktop that Debian offers. I also fear additional work load for the security team if multiple instances of the same media player have to be taken care of. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
Hi, Please keep the bug report and debian-devel@ in Cc. On 09/07/16 22:31, Franciscarlos Santos Soares wrote: > Hi Emilio! > > Thank you for contacting us. In fact, like independent application of any DE, > but they were compatible with the traditional look of windows and based on > the > GTK library. So would provide a good working environment in the old computers > that read daily in public schools that work. I found http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/, which makes things clearer. This seems to be a cross-desktop (Mate, Cinnamon... XFCE?) project to provide some core apps. Which we wouldn't end up with multiple forks of the same stuff, and that addresses my concerns. Maybe the XFCE / Cinnamon / Mate maintainers can confirm if that is indeed the plan. Cheers, Emilio
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On Jul 09, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Do we really need yet another fork of GNOME? Probably not, but I suspect that this problem should be solved upstream... -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
On 09/07/16 22:05, Franciscarlos Santos Soares wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Franciscarlos Santos Soares > > * Package name: xplayer > Version : 1.0.7 > Upstream Author : Bastien Nocera > * URL : https://github.com/linuxmint/xplayer > * License : GPL, LGPL > Programming Lang: C > Description : Simple media player based on GStreamer > > Xplayer is part of X-App project, is a simple yet featureful media player Do we really need yet another fork of GNOME? Emilio
Bug#830624: ITP: xplayer -- Simple media player based on GStreamer.
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Franciscarlos Santos Soares * Package name: xplayer Version : 1.0.7 Upstream Author : Bastien Nocera * URL : https://github.com/linuxmint/xplayer * License : GPL, LGPL Programming Lang: C Description : Simple media player based on GStreamer Xplayer is part of X-App project, is a simple yet featureful media player which can read a large number of file formats. It features : . * Shoutcast, m3u, asx, SMIL and ra playlists support * DVD (with menus), VCD and Digital CD (with CDDB) playback * TV-Out configuration with optional resolution switching * 4.0, 5.0, 5.1 and stereo audio output * Full-screen mode (move your mouse and you get nice controls) with Xinerama, dual-head and RandR support * Aspect ratio toggling, scaling based on the video's original size * Full keyboard control * Simple playlist with repeat mode and saving feature * GIO integration * Screenshot of the current movie * Brightness and Contrast control * Visualisation plugin when playing audio-only files * Video thumbnailer * Works on remote displays * DVD, VCD and OGG/OGM subtitles with automatic language selection * Extensible with plugins This package is importante because in old computers, like existents where i work, public schools in Brazil, have a need of reasonable uniformity in Environment Desktops like Xfec, Mate and Lxde, as provided by these package. For now i want to keep it yourself. However, if someone is interested, i would be happy to have him on the team.
