Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
I have uploaded my hebrew translation my server: http://www.tabula0rasa.org/debianabout/about.html >I'm only Finnish translation coordinator, but I've studied > >Hebrew a bit. > So here is an oppurtuinity to remember you hebrew lessons. My guide lines for creating a nice hebrew translation are to avoid using a directive form of a male. In hebrew it very common, but also very shovinistic to write manual like this. And many times you see apoplogies such as: This manual is writen in male form, but speaks to all species. I think this is just laziness. With a little effort one can avoid this, and write in better and higher hebrew form using the plural form, similar to the German 'Sie' form which avoids the sex issue. Also, when checking which strings needs to be translated I looked at the German translation (Unfortunately my german is better than my Arabic). So, now I will set forward to create an appropriate wml file, but before I start maybe some one can offer a script that can help with this job ? Oz.
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Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:21:59 +0300 "Oz Nahum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >It is quite well documented in the website: > >http://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs> > > at the moment I'd rather focus on translating, and I'll be happy if > someone can commit the changes for me. I hope it's not rude to ask. In addition to Tommi's comments: Take a look at a WML file, they are not at all difficult to work with; in most cases there's only a few lines of WML code while the rest is text and HTML code. None of us understand Hebrew and hence can't easily assist in merging your HTML translation into a "proper" WML file, and this part must be done in order to use the translation. Avoid any duplicated translation work in the future by translating WML files. :-) -- Regards, Kaare -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
>It seems that Arabic pages have the navigation menu on left side (the >front page, at least on my computer) That's exactly what I think needs to be changed. >Can you for example put your translations (especially css >files) to some web server for public review? Yes. I have my own server and website, I'll do my best to upload that stuff tomorrow and send you a link for review. Oz On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Tommi Vainikainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Oz Nahum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I know a little arabic, but not enough to translate :-) However, the > about > > page, isn't translated into arabic. Also, the css page istn't localized > to > > Arabic. The, strings are indeed translated to arabic, but there are some > > issues: > > RTL readers expect for the menu in the right side for example. It's like > how > > RTL books are opened. It might sound surprising (or not :0) but we open > our > > books from the right... > > > > I think I've done a nice job on that. I would like to submit my css file, > if > > it is not excepted, at least I tried getting it reviewed. > > It seems that Arabic pages have the navigation menu on left side (the > front page, at least on my computer). Can you specify what files have > you modified? Can you for example put your translations (especially css > files) to some web server for public review? If you don't have such > place to publish those, maybe I can try to integrate your diffs with the > build system. I'm only Finnish translation coordinator, but I've studied > Hebrew a bit. > > >>It is quite well documented in the website: > >>http://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs> > > > > at the moment I'd rather focus on translating, and I'll be happy if > someone > > can commit the changes for me. I hope it's not rude to ask. > > No, it's not rude, but if you can take checkout (cvs commands are > directly on that page, full checkout takes about 350 MB of disk space), > you will get .wml files (which are almost like HTML files but without > extra cruft from templates). Translations can be committed only as .wml > files because that is the way how Debian's website works. > > Also it is much easier to commit your changes if you can provide the > changes as diffs (patches) against current CVS repository. > > -- > Tommi Vainikainen >
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
"Oz Nahum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I know a little arabic, but not enough to translate :-) However, the about > page, isn't translated into arabic. Also, the css page istn't localized to > Arabic. The, strings are indeed translated to arabic, but there are some > issues: > RTL readers expect for the menu in the right side for example. It's like how > RTL books are opened. It might sound surprising (or not :0) but we open our > books from the right... > > I think I've done a nice job on that. I would like to submit my css file, if > it is not excepted, at least I tried getting it reviewed. It seems that Arabic pages have the navigation menu on left side (the front page, at least on my computer). Can you specify what files have you modified? Can you for example put your translations (especially css files) to some web server for public review? If you don't have such place to publish those, maybe I can try to integrate your diffs with the build system. I'm only Finnish translation coordinator, but I've studied Hebrew a bit. >>It is quite well documented in the website: >>http://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs> > > at the moment I'd rather focus on translating, and I'll be happy if someone > can commit the changes for me. I hope it's not rude to ask. No, it's not rude, but if you can take checkout (cvs commands are directly on that page, full checkout takes about 350 MB of disk space), you will get .wml files (which are almost like HTML files but without extra cruft from templates). Translations can be committed only as .wml files because that is the way how Debian's website works. Also it is much easier to commit your changes if you can provide the changes as diffs (patches) against current CVS repository. -- Tommi Vainikainen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
>I don't know if you know any Arabic, but I guess that CSS stuff can be
>mostly copied from Arabic if it is only left-to-right versus
>right-to-left issue.
I know a little arabic, but not enough to translate :-) However, the about
page, isn't translated into arabic. Also, the css page istn't localized to
Arabic. The, strings are indeed translated to arabic, but there are some
issues:
RTL readers expect for the menu in the right side for example. It's like how
RTL books are opened. It might sound surprising (or not :0) but we open our
books from the right...
I think I've done a nice job on that. I would like to submit my css file, if
it is not excepted, at least I tried getting it reviewed.
>It is quite well documented in the website:
>http://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs>
at the moment I'd rather focus on translating, and I'll be happy if someone
can commit the changes for me. I hope it's not rude to ask.
>Please note that some template stuff is translated with gettext (".po"
>files). It seems that this gettext usage is one thing that is not
>documented on the website, but if you have translated any software, it
>should be very easy to do this.
I've done some work on .po files in the past using gedit (I translated
exaile and deluge-torrent), so it should be fine.
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
"Oz Nahum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What about the design and the layout of the page ? I did some work on the
> CSS file.
> It's not enough to just translate the strings of text. The Layout of the
> page has to be a liltte bit different.
I don't know if you know any Arabic, but I guess that CSS stuff can be
mostly copied from Arabic if it is only left-to-right versus
right-to-left issue.
Please note that some template stuff is translated with gettext (".po"
files). It seems that this gettext usage is one thing that is not
documented on the website, but if you have translated any software, it
should be very easy to do this.
>>No, HTML is useless. Please obtain the English WML file (I sent you a
>>link) and replace the English text with your translation.
>
> Waiting for the link to wma.
It is quite well documented in the website:
http://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs
> And also, what are the most important pages ?
http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translation_hints
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Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
> PS: Please quote properly (such as I did :-)) starting from now, I am quoting properly. > Aport from the header and footer the WML file is nearly identical to >HTML, so you can probably just copy large parts. What about the design and the layout of the page ? I did some work on the CSS file. It's not enough to just translate the strings of text. The Layout of the page has to be a liltte bit different. >No, HTML is useless. Please obtain the English WML file (I sent you a >link) and replace the English text with your translation. Waiting for the link to wma. And also, what are the most important pages ? I can think of FAQ and the Getting Debian. But please point me out to others. Cheers, Oz.
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 06:47:32PM +0300, Oz Nahum wrote: > And yes I do inteand to do some long term work on this. The reason I started Great! > It'll probably take a few months before I complete this project. I decided > to spent not more than 20 min. a day because I have a Master's thesis to > submit. But in the mean while I started. Trust me, you will never complete it, it's too much. But a translation of the most important pages would be a good start. > So, can I send you the html and css files ? No, HTML is useless. Please obtain the English WML file (I sent you a link) and replace the English text with your translation. Aport from the header and footer the WML file is nearly identical to HTML, so you can probably just copy large parts. > Where do I apply for an acount (I guess the answer is among those pages, but > if you could save me some reading I'll translate a little bit more - > eventually I'll read and translate it, but it'll take some time :-) ). I suggest to ask for an account later. First please provide some files and show us your skills. > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Tommi Vainikainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PS: Please quote properly (such as I did :-)) Jens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
Hi, Well, I will read trough the devel/website pages. And yes I do inteand to do some long term work on this. The reason I started this little project is because I felt this project is not well accessed by hebrew users and unfortunately there are only 3 active hebrew developers. I intened to help them as much as I can. To be able to do that, I needed to read all the debian documents. I decided to start from the beginning and while reading the first page (about debian) I decided to translate it. It'll probably take a few months before I complete this project. I decided to spent not more than 20 min. a day because I have a Master's thesis to submit. But in the mean while I started. So, can I send you the html and css files ? Where do I apply for an acount (I guess the answer is among those pages, but if you could save me some reading I'll translate a little bit more - eventually I'll read and translate it, but it'll take some time :-) ). Thanks again, Oz On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Tommi Vainikainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Oz Nahum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have created a translation to the above page. What do I need to do so > it > > will be cheefuly joined to the current translation? > > Hi, > > currently there is no pages in Debian website translated to Hebrew. This > means starting new translation. Of course single page translations can > be added to the website, but more useful and better in long-term would > be having translation coordinator for Hebrew, who would make sure that > translations are kept up to date when originals (English) are updated. > > All these processes are documented at http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ > > If you (or someone else) are willing to contribute more translations, > you can/should also apply for CVS account to check-in translations by > yourself. Until you have an account, your translation contributions can > be checked in by someone else (for example I can do it). > > Please tell us publicly if you have any long-term intentions, and I can > also add your translations to CVS if you send those to me even if I > don't probably understand most of the words. :) > > -- > Tommi Vainikainen >
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
"Oz Nahum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have created a translation to the above page. What do I need to do so it > will be cheefuly joined to the current translation? Hi, currently there is no pages in Debian website translated to Hebrew. This means starting new translation. Of course single page translations can be added to the website, but more useful and better in long-term would be having translation coordinator for Hebrew, who would make sure that translations are kept up to date when originals (English) are updated. All these processes are documented at http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ If you (or someone else) are willing to contribute more translations, you can/should also apply for CVS account to check-in translations by yourself. Until you have an account, your translation contributions can be checked in by someone else (for example I can do it). Please tell us publicly if you have any long-term intentions, and I can also add your translations to CVS if you send those to me even if I don't probably understand most of the words. :) -- Tommi Vainikainen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
Hi Jenes, Thanks for you reply. Actually, I didn't know about wml. It might take some time until I learn to work with it. I translated the html and modified the CSS code. I did it because Hebrew need to be read from right to left as you probably know. My modification could be used also for Pharsi and Arabic languages. So, the next step will be to read and learn wml ? can we commit the files straight to CVS ? 10x, Oz On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jens Seidel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Oz, > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:29:53PM +0300, Oz Nahum wrote: > > I have created a translation to the above page. What do I need to do so > it > > that's great! Nevertheless please be in future a little bit more > verbose. I had to search about.wml a while until I found it. > > There is currently not a single Hebrew translation of our site. Maybe > you want to translate other important pages as well? We would like it :-) > > > will be cheefuly joined to the current translation? > > You need to send us your translated wml file so that someone of us can > commit it into CVS. The current English template for translations is > > http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/intro/about.wml?rev=1.60&root=webwml&view=log > > (Just in case you translated the HTML file you can probably easily > copy your translation back into the English wml file.) > > See http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ for details. > > Jens >
Re: Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
Hi Oz, On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:29:53PM +0300, Oz Nahum wrote: > I have created a translation to the above page. What do I need to do so it that's great! Nevertheless please be in future a little bit more verbose. I had to search about.wml a while until I found it. There is currently not a single Hebrew translation of our site. Maybe you want to translate other important pages as well? We would like it :-) > will be cheefuly joined to the current translation? You need to send us your translated wml file so that someone of us can commit it into CVS. The current English template for translations is http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/intro/about.wml?rev=1.60&root=webwml&view=log (Just in case you translated the HTML file you can probably easily copy your translation back into the English wml file.) See http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ for details. Jens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew Translation for Debian About Page
Hi All, I have created a translation to the above page. What do I need to do so it will be cheefuly joined to the current translation? Best regards, Oz Nahum.
