Re: http://www.debian.org/social_contract changes

[Nils Lohner]

Sure... so we have
http://www.debian.org/social_contract 
http://www.debian.org/DFSG
http://www.debian.org/debian_intro [or some similarly creative title]  
Otherwise we can also just link both the DFSG and contract from the navbar, 
or just from the about pages.  Whichever you choose is fine with me.

Nils.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Manoj Srivastava writes:
>Hi,
>
>   Please ensure that the URL http://www.debian.org/social_contract 
> remains valid. I have been passing that around to people at the ALS,
> and it should not be moved out from under.
>
>   manoj

Re: http://www.debian.org/social_contract changes

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

Please ensure that the URL http://www.debian.org/social_contract 
 remains valid. I have been passing that around to people at the ALS,
 and it should not be moved out from under.

manoj
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Re: http://www.debian.org/social_contract changes

[James A. Treacy]

On Wed, Oct 28, 1998 at 12:43:35PM -0500, Nils Lohner wrote:
> 
> I'd agree except that the part I'm referring to are not a part of the social 
> contract.  The change is just in the intro to the contract.  I can post this 
> to -private if you like, but I don't see the need for it.  Actually the 'We 
> are Debian..' sounds Borg-ish... maybe something more subtle like
> 
> "Debian, the producers of the Debian GNU/Linux system, have created the 
> 'Debian Social Contract' which is a set of commitments that we offer to the 
> free software community.
> 
You're right, it's not part of the social contract itself. I propose the
following text for the introduction. If you agree, I'll commit it to CVS.

  Debian, the producers of the Debian GNU/Linux system, have created the
  Debian Social Contract. The contract, initially designed
  as as a set of commitments that we agree to abide by, has been adopted by
  the majority of the free software community as the basis of the  
  http://www.opensource.org/";>Open Source movement.

The splitting of the files will have to wait until I have a half hour to
kill looking for links that will break.

Re: http://www.debian.org/social_contract changes

[Nils Lohner]

No problem, sounds good.  The trailer (Bruce wrote this, feel free to reuse 
it) should go under both the DSFG and the Social Contract, right?  I'm 
assuming Bruce wrote both, and the reuse applies to both as well.  Thanks!

Nils.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "James A. Treacy" writes:
>On Wed, Oct 28, 1998 at 12:43:35PM -0500, Nils Lohner wrote:
>> 
>> I'd agree except that the part I'm referring to are not a part of the 
social
> 
>> contract.  The change is just in the intro to the contract.  I can post 
this
> 
>> to -private if you like, but I don't see the need for it.  Actually the 
'We
>> are Debian..' sounds Borg-ish... maybe something more subtle like
>> 
>> "Debian, the producers of the Debian GNU/Linux system, have created the 
>> 'Debian Social Contract' which is a set of commitments that we offer to 
the
>> free software community.
>> 
>You're right, it's not part of the social contract itself. I propose the
>following text for the introduction. If you agree, I'll commit it to CVS.
>
>  Debian, the producers of the Debian GNU/Linux system, have created the
>  Debian Social Contract. The contract, initially designed
>  as as a set of commitments that we agree to abide by, has been adopted by
>  the majority of the free software community as the basis of the 
> 
>  http://www.opensource.org/";>Open Source movement.
>
>The splitting of the files will have to wait until I have a half hour to
>kill looking for links that will break.
>

Re: http://www.debian.org/social_contract changes

[Nils Lohner]

I'd agree except that the part I'm referring to are not a part of the social 
contract.  The change is just in the intro to the contract.  I can post this 
to -private if you like, but I don't see the need for it.  Actually the 'We 
are Debian..' sounds Borg-ish... maybe something more subtle like

"Debian, the producers of the Debian GNU/Linux system, have created the 
'Debian Social Contract' which is a set of commitments that we offer to the 
free software community.

Nils.


In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "James A. Treacy" writes:
>On Wed, Oct 28, 1998 at 11:24:50AM -0500, Nils Lohner wrote:
>> 
>Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but the social contract was approved
>as is, so we really should at least mention any suggested changes
>on debian-devel.
>
 See above.

>> I'd like a few changes to this page.  I'll go through them one at a time, 
>> and justify them as well.
>> 
>> 
>> . "We are Software In The Public Interest, producers of the Debian 
GNU/Linux
> 
>> system. This is the "social contract" we offer to
>> the free software community."
>> 
>> This needs to be changed to 'We are Debian, ...' or something similar.  
>> Debian != SPI, but Debian is affiliated with SPI.  Also, name the soclail 
>> contract explicitly.  That makes it sound more official.  How about:
>> 
>> "We are Debian, the producers of the Debian GNU/Linux system. This is the 
>> 'Debian Social Contract' which is a set of commitments that we offer to 
the
>> free software community."
>> 
>> . Split this page into three pages, a page stating what the social 
contract
>> and DFSG are, and then one page for each of the documents.  This is 
>> important because it establishes each as a separate document, and also 
>> because as Open Source grows we want to be able to point people 
explicitly
>> and directly to the DFSG.  [I know that this will take a lot of redoing 
of
>> links to the DFSG, but I think that it it important to split the pages... 
>> sorry!]
>> 
>Splitting the page in three isn't a problem as it doesn't change the 
content.
>BTW, many links already point directly to the DFSG: 
social_contract#guidelines
>Do you still want the split done?
>
  Yes, I'd like to see it on a separate page... maybe www.debian.org/DFSG 
for the DFSG etc.  Having them separated makes each one more important IMO.  
Plus, each can be printed directly from the web pages and handed out at 
shows etc :)


>> . Please add (to the page for the social contract and the DFSG) a notice 
at
>> the bottom stating that
>> "Other organizations to derive from and build on this document.
>> Please give credit to the Debian project if you do."
>> This is a request from Bruce Perens, the author of the documents.  
>> Apparently this used to be on the page, but disappeared at some point 
during
> 
>> the rewrite.
>> 
>This also needs no approval and is already done.
>
>I'm curious about the statement 'this used to be on the page' as the text 
>currently on the page is exactly what Bruce requested. Oh well.
>
  Hmm... he mentioned this in a discussion a few weeks ago.  Oh well :)


>BTW, the text added is actually:
>  Other organizations may derive from and build on this document.
>  Please give credit to the Debian project if you do.
>
  Great, thanks.

>Jay Treacy
>

Re: http://www.debian.org/social_contract changes

[James A. Treacy]

On Wed, Oct 28, 1998 at 11:24:50AM -0500, Nils Lohner wrote:
> 
Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but the social contract was approved
as is, so we really should at least mention any suggested changes
on debian-devel.

> I'd like a few changes to this page.  I'll go through them one at a time, 
> and justify them as well.
> 
> 
> . "We are Software In The Public Interest, producers of the Debian GNU/Linux 
> system. This is the "social contract" we offer to
> the free software community."
> 
> This needs to be changed to 'We are Debian, ...' or something similar.  
> Debian != SPI, but Debian is affiliated with SPI.  Also, name the soclail 
> contract explicitly.  That makes it sound more official.  How about:
> 
> "We are Debian, the producers of the Debian GNU/Linux system. This is the 
> 'Debian Social Contract' which is a set of commitments that we offer to the 
> free software community."
> 
> . Split this page into three pages, a page stating what the social contract 
> and DFSG are, and then one page for each of the documents.  This is 
> important because it establishes each as a separate document, and also 
> because as Open Source grows we want to be able to point people explicitly 
> and directly to the DFSG.  [I know that this will take a lot of redoing of 
> links to the DFSG, but I think that it it important to split the pages... 
> sorry!]
> 
Splitting the page in three isn't a problem as it doesn't change the content.
BTW, many links already point directly to the DFSG: social_contract#guidelines
Do you still want the split done?

> . Please add (to the page for the social contract and the DFSG) a notice at 
> the bottom stating that
> "Other organizations to derive from and build on this document.
> Please give credit to the Debian project if you do."
> This is a request from Bruce Perens, the author of the documents.  
> Apparently this used to be on the page, but disappeared at some point during 
> the rewrite.
> 
This also needs no approval and is already done.

I'm curious about the statement 'this used to be on the page' as the text 
currently on the page is exactly what Bruce requested. Oh well.

BTW, the text added is actually:
  Other organizations may derive from and build on this document.
  Please give credit to the Debian project if you do.

Jay Treacy

http://www.debian.org/social_contract changes

[Nils Lohner]

I'd like a few changes to this page.  I'll go through them one at a time, 
and justify them as well.


. "We are Software In The Public Interest, producers of the Debian GNU/Linux 
system. This is the "social contract" we offer to
the free software community."

This needs to be changed to 'We are Debian, ...' or something similar.  
Debian != SPI, but Debian is affiliated with SPI.  Also, name the soclail 
contract explicitly.  That makes it sound more official.  How about:

"We are Debian, the producers of the Debian GNU/Linux system. This is the 
'Debian Social Contract' which is a set of commitments that we offer to the 
free software community."


. Split this page into three pages, a page stating what the social contract 
and DFSG are, and then one page for each of the documents.  This is 
important because it establishes each as a separate document, and also 
because as Open Source grows we want to be able to point people explicitly 
and directly to the DFSG.  [I know that this will take a lot of redoing of 
links to the DFSG, but I think that it it important to split the pages... 
sorry!]


. Please add (to the page for the social contract and the DFSG) a notice at 
the bottom stating that
"Other organizations to derive from and build on this document.
Please give credit to the Debian project if you do."
This is a request from Bruce Perens, the author of the documents.  
Apparently this used to be on the page, but disappeared at some point during 
the rewrite.


Thanks, Nils.