Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon

 Jon Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Absolutely!  This is what I meant to say.

 Oh, sorry, I missunderstood.
 
  Shipping the mesademos package in binary form does not make any
  sense.  There are too many libGL implementations floating around for
  that.

 Actually, this is a tempting reason to ship them as binaries.  The
 program *can not* fail with "undefined symbol foobar".  If it does,
 either the program is badly broken or the OpenGL implementation used to
 compile it is even more broken.  But no, I'm not going to do this for
 this reason.

  Why compress them at all?
 
 Policy.  I would install the files on
 /usr/shared/doc/mesademos/examples, which makes them documentation,
 which falls under this:

  Any additional documentation that comes with the package may be
  installed at the discretion of the package maintainer.  Text
  documentation should be installed in a directory
  `/usr/share/doc/package', where package is the name of the
  package, and compressed with `gzip -9' unless it is small.  

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Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Zephaniah E\. Hull

On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:26:13AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
  Jon Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip
   Shipping the mesademos package in binary form does not make any
   sense.  There are too many libGL implementations floating around for
   that.
 
  Actually, this is a tempting reason to ship them as binaries.  The
  program *can not* fail with "undefined symbol foobar".  If it does,
  either the program is badly broken or the OpenGL implementation used to
  compile it is even more broken.  But no, I'm not going to do this for
  this reason.

A better reason would be because they are very handy for debugging and
benchmarking the OpenGL implementations.

For instance gears is a /very/ standard benchmark, and one of the first
things I like people to run if they are having problems with the DRI
drivers.

Zephaniah E. Hull.

snip
 
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Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Jon Pennington

On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:26:13AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
  Jon Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Absolutely!  This is what I meant to say.
 
  Oh, sorry, I missunderstood.

It looked that way :)
  
   Shipping the mesademos package in binary form does not make any
   sense.  There are too many libGL implementations floating around for
   that.
 
  Actually, this is a tempting reason to ship them as binaries.  The
  program *can not* fail with "undefined symbol foobar".  If it does,
  either the program is badly broken or the OpenGL implementation used to
  compile it is even more broken.  But no, I'm not going to do this for
  this reason.

Like Zeph said, though, the packages are most useful in source *because* you can use 
different libGL implementations to compile them.  As I understand it (and I'm probably 
wrong), libGL implementations vary in the DRI project from one family of drivers to 
the next.  Shipping binaries simply isn't a good idea the way I see it.  (I smoke a 
lot of crack, though, so don't quote me)
 
   Why compress them at all?
  
  Policy.  I would install the files on
  /usr/shared/doc/mesademos/examples, which makes them documentation,
  which falls under this:
 
   Any additional documentation that comes with the package may be
   installed at the discretion of the package maintainer.  Text
   documentation should be installed in a directory
   `/usr/share/doc/package', where package is the name of the
   package, and compressed with `gzip -9' unless it is small.  

I see.  Have you considered a better place for this to go?  What about converting it 
from a Documentation class package to something that would fit under 
/usr/share/mesademos or similar?

I'm going to contradict myself here
What about going ahead and shipping them as a binary that *would* fit under /usr/bin 
or similar; going on and compiling them against the standard shipping Mesa package.  
This would mean that people using alternate libGLs would have to become familiar with 
dpkg-buildpkg (actually, I usually just use `apt-get source -b packagename'), but that 
may be a smaller price to pay in the long run.
/contradiction

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XFree86 4.0.3-0pre1v1 available for testing

2001-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson

As of this writing only i386 is available.  I'm working on powerpc and
sparc for v2.

Architecture porters should note that the MANIFEST file for your arch will
need updating (see debian/402-to-403-MANIFEST-change), as will the
*.{dirs,files,links}.$(ARCH) files in some cases.  *.files* are no longer
allowed to have anything but plain files in them.

The binary-arch and binary-indep rules are now idempotent.  (Together, they
still take about 5 minutes to run on an IDE-based P3/800.)  What this means
is that you can make changes on the "Debian side" of things without having
to rerun the install rule, let alone the build rule.

Otherwise, read the changelog and have fun!

 Format: 1.7
 Date: Sat,  7 Apr 2001 17:50:14 +
 Source: xfree86
 Binary: xserver-common xlibs-dev xfs xfree86-common xfonts-pex xlibmesa-dev xspecs 
xlibmesa3 xfonts-cyrillic xlibmesa3-dbg xserver-xfree86 xlibs-dbg libxaw6 libxaw7 
xterm xvfb xfonts-scalable xfonts-75dpi xlib6g proxymngr libxaw6-dev libdps1-dbg 
xlib6g-dev xfonts-base xutils libxaw7-dev xnest xlibs libxaw6-dbg lbxproxy libxaw7-dbg 
xbase-clients xprt xlibosmesa3 xlibosmesa-dev twm xfwp xlibosmesa3-dbg xfonts-100dpi 
xdm libdps-dev libdps1
 Architecture: source all i386
 Version: 4.0.3-0pre1v1
 Distribution: unstable
 Urgency: low
 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Changed-By: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Description: 
  lbxproxy   - Low Bandwidth X (LBX) proxy server
  libdps-dev - Display PostScript (DPS) client library development files
  libdps1- Display PostScript (DPS) client library
  libdps1-dbg - Display PostScript (DPS) client library (unstripped)
  libxaw6- X Athena widget set library (version 6)
  libxaw6-dbg - X Athena widget set library (version 6) (unstripped)
  libxaw6-dev - X Athena widget set library development files (version 6)
  libxaw7- X Athena widget set library
  libxaw7-dbg - X Athena widget set library (unstripped)
  libxaw7-dev - X Athena widget set library development files
  proxymngr  - X proxy services manager
  twm- Tab window manager
  xbase-clients - miscellaneous X clients
  xdm- X display manager
  xfonts-100dpi - 100 dpi fonts for X
  xfonts-75dpi - 75 dpi fonts for X
  xfonts-base - standard fonts for X
  xfonts-cyrillic - Cyrillic fonts for X
  xfonts-pex - fonts for minimal PEX support in X
  xfonts-scalable - scalable fonts for X
  xfree86-common - X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure
  xfs- X font server
  xfwp   - X firewall proxy server
  xlib6g - pseudopackage providing X libraries
  xlib6g-dev - pseudopackage providing X library development files
  xlibmesa-dev - XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library development files
  xlibmesa3  - XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library
  xlibmesa3-dbg - XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library (unstripped)
  xlibosmesa-dev - Mesa/XFree86 offscreen rendering library development files
  xlibosmesa3 - Mesa/XFree86 offscreen rendering library
  xlibosmesa3-dbg - Mesa/XFree86 offscreen rendering library (unstripped)
  xlibs  - X Window System client libraries
  xlibs-dbg  - X Window System client libraries (unstripped)
  xlibs-dev  - X Window System client library development files
  xnest  - nested X server
  xprt   - X print server
  xserver-common - files and utilities common to all X servers
  xserver-xfree86 - the XFree86 X server
  xspecs - X protocol, extension, and library technical specifications
  xterm  - X terminal emulator
  xutils - XFree86 utility programs
  xvfb   - virtual framebuffer X server
 Closes: 74520 76214 77067 82328
 Changes: 
  xfree86 (4.0.3-0pre1v1) unstable; urgency=low
  .
* new upstream version (including some post-4.0.3 fixes)
* patch #002: remove specification of randomFile (Closes: #74520,#76214)
* patch #100: moved to held-patches since I hand-hacked all the non-free
  stuff out of the Type1 font directory before generating the orig tarball
* patch #501: moved to held-patches since the xf86sym.c file has changed a
  great deal and it is not immediately obvious to me what should be done for
  m68k.  Christian Steigies, please take a look at this.
* patch #600: removed the patch to xf86sym.c; it looks like this has
  been applied upstream (Phil Blundell, you may want to confirm this)
* patches #700,701: removed; applied upstream
* patches #000,002,005,009,011,013,015: resynced with upstream
* massive overhaul of all maintainer scripts
  - more canonical shell constructs in some places
  - complete audit of actions taken when the maintainer scripts are called
with various arguments (see chapter 6 of the Debian Policy Manual)
  - greatly reduce amounts of duplicate code by using a placeholder for
my "shell library"
  - removed a few bits of logic that were present just to handle broken
upgrade scenarios between various pre-slink and pre-potato versions of

Re: XFree86 4.0.3-0pre1v1 available for testing

2001-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson

On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 03:17:19PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
 As of this writing only i386 is available.  I'm working on powerpc and
 sparc for v2.

Hrm, forgot to mention this part:

deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/$(ARCH)/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/source/

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Re: XFree86 4.0.3-0pre1v1 available for testing

2001-04-07 Thread Gordon Sadler

On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 04:33:26PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
 From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: XFree86 4.0.3-0pre1v1 available for testing
 Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail-Copies-To: nobody
 
 On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 03:17:19PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
  As of this writing only i386 is available.  I'm working on powerpc and
  sparc for v2.
 
 Hrm, forgot to mention this part:
 
 deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/$(ARCH)/
 deb-src http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/source/
 
Only have i386 available here, but works fine here. Tested sawfish, kde
2.1.x, and numerous applications. Best of all ... AA and regular font
support with kde seems much improved. Not sure if X causes this or KDE
.. either way, works very well for me.

uname -a
Linux home-desktop 2.4.3-ac3 #1 Wed Apr 4 17:39:45 CDT 2001 i686 unknown

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dri and shared memory

2001-04-07 Thread Gordon Heydon
Hello,

I have installed the new dri packages, and at last I have 3gl, I am
getting ~100 fps with the evas_test on my g400. but I do have on
problem.

With enlightenment and imlib1 it can't seem to detect the shared memory,
which also seems to cause the latest version of gnome panel crash as
well.

Can anyone give me any ideas on how to resolve this problem

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Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
 Jon Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Absolutely!  This is what I meant to say.

 Oh, sorry, I missunderstood.
 
  Shipping the mesademos package in binary form does not make any
  sense.  There are too many libGL implementations floating around for
  that.

 Actually, this is a tempting reason to ship them as binaries.  The
 program *can not* fail with undefined symbol foobar.  If it does,
 either the program is badly broken or the OpenGL implementation used to
 compile it is even more broken.  But no, I'm not going to do this for
 this reason.

  Why compress them at all?
 
 Policy.  I would install the files on
 /usr/shared/doc/mesademos/examples, which makes them documentation,
 which falls under this:

  Any additional documentation that comes with the package may be
  installed at the discretion of the package maintainer.  Text
  documentation should be installed in a directory
  `/usr/share/doc/package', where package is the name of the
  package, and compressed with `gzip -9' unless it is small.  

-- 
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Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:26:13AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
  Jon Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip
   Shipping the mesademos package in binary form does not make any
   sense.  There are too many libGL implementations floating around for
   that.
 
  Actually, this is a tempting reason to ship them as binaries.  The
  program *can not* fail with undefined symbol foobar.  If it does,
  either the program is badly broken or the OpenGL implementation used to
  compile it is even more broken.  But no, I'm not going to do this for
  this reason.

A better reason would be because they are very handy for debugging and
benchmarking the OpenGL implementations.

For instance gears is a /very/ standard benchmark, and one of the first
things I like people to run if they are having problems with the DRI
drivers.

Zephaniah E. Hull.

snip
 
 -- 
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Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Jon Pennington
On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:26:13AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
  Jon Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Absolutely!  This is what I meant to say.
 
  Oh, sorry, I missunderstood.

It looked that way :)
  
   Shipping the mesademos package in binary form does not make any
   sense.  There are too many libGL implementations floating around for
   that.
 
  Actually, this is a tempting reason to ship them as binaries.  The
  program *can not* fail with undefined symbol foobar.  If it does,
  either the program is badly broken or the OpenGL implementation used to
  compile it is even more broken.  But no, I'm not going to do this for
  this reason.

Like Zeph said, though, the packages are most useful in source *because* you 
can use different libGL implementations to compile them.  As I understand it 
(and I'm probably wrong), libGL implementations vary in the DRI project from 
one family of drivers to the next.  Shipping binaries simply isn't a good idea 
the way I see it.  (I smoke a lot of crack, though, so don't quote me)
 
   Why compress them at all?
  
  Policy.  I would install the files on
  /usr/shared/doc/mesademos/examples, which makes them documentation,
  which falls under this:
 
   Any additional documentation that comes with the package may be
   installed at the discretion of the package maintainer.  Text
   documentation should be installed in a directory
   `/usr/share/doc/package', where package is the name of the
   package, and compressed with `gzip -9' unless it is small.  

I see.  Have you considered a better place for this to go?  What about 
converting it from a Documentation class package to something that would fit 
under /usr/share/mesademos or similar?

I'm going to contradict myself here
What about going ahead and shipping them as a binary that *would* fit under 
/usr/bin or similar; going on and compiling them against the standard shipping 
Mesa package.  This would mean that people using alternate libGLs would have to 
become familiar with dpkg-buildpkg (actually, I usually just use `apt-get 
source -b packagename'), but that may be a smaller price to pay in the long run.
/contradiction

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XFree86 4.0.3-0pre1v1 available for testing

2001-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson
As of this writing only i386 is available.  I'm working on powerpc and
sparc for v2.

Architecture porters should note that the MANIFEST file for your arch will
need updating (see debian/402-to-403-MANIFEST-change), as will the
*.{dirs,files,links}.$(ARCH) files in some cases.  *.files* are no longer
allowed to have anything but plain files in them.

The binary-arch and binary-indep rules are now idempotent.  (Together, they
still take about 5 minutes to run on an IDE-based P3/800.)  What this means
is that you can make changes on the Debian side of things without having
to rerun the install rule, let alone the build rule.

Otherwise, read the changelog and have fun!

 Format: 1.7
 Date: Sat,  7 Apr 2001 17:50:14 +
 Source: xfree86
 Binary: xserver-common xlibs-dev xfs xfree86-common xfonts-pex xlibmesa-dev 
xspecs xlibmesa3 xfonts-cyrillic xlibmesa3-dbg xserver-xfree86 xlibs-dbg 
libxaw6 libxaw7 xterm xvfb xfonts-scalable xfonts-75dpi xlib6g proxymngr 
libxaw6-dev libdps1-dbg xlib6g-dev xfonts-base xutils libxaw7-dev xnest xlibs 
libxaw6-dbg lbxproxy libxaw7-dbg xbase-clients xprt xlibosmesa3 xlibosmesa-dev 
twm xfwp xlibosmesa3-dbg xfonts-100dpi xdm libdps-dev libdps1
 Architecture: source all i386
 Version: 4.0.3-0pre1v1
 Distribution: unstable
 Urgency: low
 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Changed-By: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Description: 
  lbxproxy   - Low Bandwidth X (LBX) proxy server
  libdps-dev - Display PostScript (DPS) client library development files
  libdps1- Display PostScript (DPS) client library
  libdps1-dbg - Display PostScript (DPS) client library (unstripped)
  libxaw6- X Athena widget set library (version 6)
  libxaw6-dbg - X Athena widget set library (version 6) (unstripped)
  libxaw6-dev - X Athena widget set library development files (version 6)
  libxaw7- X Athena widget set library
  libxaw7-dbg - X Athena widget set library (unstripped)
  libxaw7-dev - X Athena widget set library development files
  proxymngr  - X proxy services manager
  twm- Tab window manager
  xbase-clients - miscellaneous X clients
  xdm- X display manager
  xfonts-100dpi - 100 dpi fonts for X
  xfonts-75dpi - 75 dpi fonts for X
  xfonts-base - standard fonts for X
  xfonts-cyrillic - Cyrillic fonts for X
  xfonts-pex - fonts for minimal PEX support in X
  xfonts-scalable - scalable fonts for X
  xfree86-common - X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure
  xfs- X font server
  xfwp   - X firewall proxy server
  xlib6g - pseudopackage providing X libraries
  xlib6g-dev - pseudopackage providing X library development files
  xlibmesa-dev - XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library development files
  xlibmesa3  - XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library
  xlibmesa3-dbg - XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library (unstripped)
  xlibosmesa-dev - Mesa/XFree86 offscreen rendering library development files
  xlibosmesa3 - Mesa/XFree86 offscreen rendering library
  xlibosmesa3-dbg - Mesa/XFree86 offscreen rendering library (unstripped)
  xlibs  - X Window System client libraries
  xlibs-dbg  - X Window System client libraries (unstripped)
  xlibs-dev  - X Window System client library development files
  xnest  - nested X server
  xprt   - X print server
  xserver-common - files and utilities common to all X servers
  xserver-xfree86 - the XFree86 X server
  xspecs - X protocol, extension, and library technical specifications
  xterm  - X terminal emulator
  xutils - XFree86 utility programs
  xvfb   - virtual framebuffer X server
 Closes: 74520 76214 77067 82328
 Changes: 
  xfree86 (4.0.3-0pre1v1) unstable; urgency=low
  .
* new upstream version (including some post-4.0.3 fixes)
* patch #002: remove specification of randomFile (Closes: #74520,#76214)
* patch #100: moved to held-patches since I hand-hacked all the non-free
  stuff out of the Type1 font directory before generating the orig tarball
* patch #501: moved to held-patches since the xf86sym.c file has changed a
  great deal and it is not immediately obvious to me what should be done for
  m68k.  Christian Steigies, please take a look at this.
* patch #600: removed the patch to xf86sym.c; it looks like this has
  been applied upstream (Phil Blundell, you may want to confirm this)
* patches #700,701: removed; applied upstream
* patches #000,002,005,009,011,013,015: resynced with upstream
* massive overhaul of all maintainer scripts
  - more canonical shell constructs in some places
  - complete audit of actions taken when the maintainer scripts are called
with various arguments (see chapter 6 of the Debian Policy Manual)
  - greatly reduce amounts of duplicate code by using a placeholder for
my shell library
  - removed a few bits of logic that were present just to handle broken
upgrade scenarios between various pre-slink and pre-potato versions of
the 

Re: XFree86 4.0.3-0pre1v1 available for testing

2001-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 03:17:19PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
 As of this writing only i386 is available.  I'm working on powerpc and
 sparc for v2.

Hrm, forgot to mention this part:

deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/$(ARCH)/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/source/

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Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:38:18PM -0700, Jon Pennington wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:26:13AM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
   Jon Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Absolutely!  This is what I meant to say.
  
   Oh, sorry, I missunderstood.
 
 It looked that way :)
   
Shipping the mesademos package in binary form does not make any
sense.  There are too many libGL implementations floating around for
that.
  
   Actually, this is a tempting reason to ship them as binaries.  The
   program *can not* fail with undefined symbol foobar.  If it does,
   either the program is badly broken or the OpenGL implementation used to
   compile it is even more broken.  But no, I'm not going to do this for
   this reason.
 
 Like Zeph said, though, the packages are most useful in source
 *because* you can use different libGL implementations to compile them.
 As I understand it (and I'm probably wrong), libGL implementations
 vary in the DRI project from one family of drivers to the next.
 Shipping binaries simply isn't a good idea the way I see it.  (I smoke
 a lot of crack, though, so don't quote me)

Errm, a GL program compiled against /any/ libGL should work with any
other libGL, if this is not the case then something is VERY broken.

Of course, in this respect, the nVidia libGL is severely broken shit in
the respect that if you compile a program against it you can't use that
program with any other libGL, however those are not in Debian so we
don't have to worry about it. (=:]

Zephaniah E. Hull.
 
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Re: XFree86 4.0.3-0pre1v1 available for testing

2001-04-07 Thread Gordon Sadler
On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 04:33:26PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
 From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: debian-x@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: XFree86 4.0.3-0pre1v1 available for testing
 Mail-Followup-To: debian-x@lists.debian.org
 Mail-Copies-To: nobody
 
 On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 03:17:19PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
  As of this writing only i386 is available.  I'm working on powerpc and
  sparc for v2.
 
 Hrm, forgot to mention this part:
 
 deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/$(ARCH)/
 deb-src http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/source/
 
Only have i386 available here, but works fine here. Tested sawfish, kde
2.1.x, and numerous applications. Best of all ... AA and regular font
support with kde seems much improved. Not sure if X causes this or KDE
.. either way, works very well for me.

uname -a
Linux home-desktop 2.4.3-ac3 #1 Wed Apr 4 17:39:45 CDT 2001 i686 unknown

Gordon Sadler



Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
 Zephaniah E. Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  For instance gears is a /very/ standard benchmark
 
 Yes, I know, I'm hand picking a few of the programs to provide them as
 binaries... gears is, well, something someone early on picked as a
 benchmark because it's fillrate bound (more accurately, at the default
 resolution I'm at the border between what my card can do and what my
 CPU can do, I guess you can call that luck).  texenv is incredibly
 useful if you want to check things are ok (or that they behave the way
 you think they do). gloss and multiarb are also useful to check things
 are ok.  At any rate I don't think everything in there is or general
 interest.

 If you have more suggestions...

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Marcelo



Re: Testing/mesademos

2001-04-07 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
 Jon Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Like Zeph said, though, the packages are most useful in source
  *because* you can use different libGL implementations to compile
  them.  As I understand it (and I'm probably wrong), libGL
  implementations vary in the DRI project from one family of drivers to
  the next.

 No, they don't.  They all use, atm, Mesa 3.4.1 as the basic renderer,
 some provide more hooks for hardware rendering, some provide less, but
 all use the same entry points, which is exactly my argument: a binary
 compiled with OpenGL foo is *not* *allowed* to fail with undefined
 symbols when run with OpenGL bar.  If it does, either the program is
 broken (i.e., it's doing something it should not do, namely, linking
 extensions at compile time, there's glXGetProcAddressARB, learn to use
 it, damn it) or OpenGL foo is broken.  I compiled and uploaded packages
 using xlibmesa-dev back when there was no xlibmesa-dev in woody, and
 noone even noticed.

  I see.  Have you considered a better place for this to go?  What
  about converting it from a Documentation class package to something
  that would fit under /usr/share/mesademos or similar?
 
 Well, the way I see it, it's documentation, not data.  I *could* put
 them on /usr/src, but that's stretching it.

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Marcelo