[Declude.JunkMail] ENDing surbl filter file

2004-12-06 Thread Markus Gufler
I've seen an initial line:

BODYEND NOTCONTAINS http:

in Kami's body filterfiles. It seems to be a good idea even if I'm not sure
if it will not let slip trough messages containing simple www. URLs.

If this would not create any problem it would be also very usefull to use it
in our surbl filter files.
I've added the following line 

echo BODY   END NOTCONTAINS http: surbl.filter.tmp

in Roger Eriksson's surbl_filter.cmd version 1.0 (line 58)


Any suggestions, drawback's ?

It would be very usefull if we could END if NO http: AND NO www. is part
of the message body.

Markus


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[Declude.JunkMail] Large attachment -- black hole

2004-12-06 Thread Dan Horne
I have a user that was sent a 10mb attachment.  They report that it was
kicked back to the sender saying max message size exceeded.  This domain
doesn't have a max message size set, nor does the particular user, nor does
he have a max MAILBOX size.

In the logs, I am seeing something very strange:

SMTPD (b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 (bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] EHLO
hotmail.com
SMTPD (b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 (bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] MAIL
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTPD (b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 (bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] RCPT
TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTP (b07e000b01ca61ae) processing S:\imail\spool\Qb07e000b01ca61ae.SMD

There is about a 30 minute difference in the timestamps on the last two
lines.  These are ALL the lines containing the queue number.  The log file
seems incomplete, because on every incoming connection, I usually get first
a connect REMOTEIP (REMOTE_SERVER) port PORTNO line, followed by the ehlo,
mail from, rcpt to.  Then I usually get a spoolfilepath line after the
rcpt to.  Then I usually get Imail's performing antispam checks before the
processing line, even though I have completely disabled all of Imail's
antispam features.  So some lines seem to be missing. 

After that is where it passes off to Declude, and Declude reports that its
last action was IGNORE on this message (My logs are on HIGH, so I won't
post the whole thing, just the last line, but all expected lines are there):

11/23/2004 17:19:08 Qb07e000b01ca61ae Last action = IGNORE.

But there is no further mention of the queue number in the Imail logs.  Did
Declude bomb while passing back to Imail?  Or did Imail drop the ball?  How
can I tell?

I'm almost sure this isn't a hardware issue, because we are pretty seriously
overpowered for our current mail volume (less than 30K/day) with a dual 2.4
Xeon w/ HT enabled, gig RAM, SCSI 15Krpm drives, separate physical mirrors
for system/mailboxes/spool, defragged daily.  I mean we aren't even pushing
this thing yet.

Dan Horne
Web Services Administrator
TAIS Web
Wilcox World Travel  Tours
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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude 2.0

2004-12-06 Thread Serge
It pays to be patient

http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=122

2.00 [Beta testing - Available soon]

FIX  Fixes an issue where Declude could use an IP address in the E-mail
body, if no IP appeared in the E-mail headers.
FIX  Ensures correct identification of message subject
AV  ADD Adds support for %REVDNS% variable to show reverse DNS entry of
remote mailserver
JM FIX  Changes DELETE action to only delete the E-mail for recipients using
the DELETE action (so it will deliver to any other recipients)
JM  FIX  Changes logging so that all log file entries for a given E-mail
will be grouped together.
JM  ADD Changes HOLDaction so that users can specify the directory to hold
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ENDing surbl filter file

2004-12-06 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
One of the current spam tricks (coming from zombies, I think) is to not use
the www. or the http:; here are two examples:

uhpvoegq.portable7attachable[munged].info
irzvu.adventist7announcer[munged].info

and this next technique has become popular, and the messages are so similar
it has to be the same spam gang:

___copypÅste _lInk_bew_low Ín your_brower_
jp.gny.roliosaa.com/

at some point recently the bad guys realized that their text indicating the
instructions for pasting the link were themselves trappable text, they've
moved to the extreme obfuscation indicated above.

As a third example, I've seen the bad guys use http:\\ or with just one / or
inserting a space in the URL with paste instructions.  Sometimes it's heard
to tell if it's genius at finding stuff that still works in Internet
Explorer, or just broken typing on their part.

So... I don't know how antispam software in general is adapting to those
anti-SURBL (or just anti-filtering) techniques, but the short of is that
your optimization is a good idea to save mail processing time, but not
against at least one spam gang.

Andrew 8)

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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] ENDing surbl filter file


I've seen an initial line:

BODYEND NOTCONTAINS http:

in Kami's body filterfiles. It seems to be a good idea even if I'm not sure
if it will not let slip trough messages containing simple www. URLs.

If this would not create any problem it would be also very usefull to use it
in our surbl filter files. I've added the following line 

echo BODY   END NOTCONTAINS http: surbl.filter.tmp

in Roger Eriksson's surbl_filter.cmd version 1.0 (line 58)


Any suggestions, drawback's ?

It would be very usefull if we could END if NO http: AND NO www. is part
of the message body.

Markus


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Large attachment -- black hole

2004-12-06 Thread R. Scott Perry

I have a user that was sent a 10mb attachment.  They report that it was
kicked back to the sender saying max message size exceeded.  This domain
doesn't have a max message size set, nor does the particular user, nor does
he have a max MAILBOX size.
In the logs, I am seeing something very strange:
SMTPD (b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 (bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] EHLO
hotmail.com
SMTPD (b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 (bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] MAIL
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTPD (b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 (bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] RCPT
TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTP (b07e000b01ca61ae) processing S:\imail\spool\Qb07e000b01ca61ae.SMD
There is about a 30 minute difference in the timestamps on the last two
lines.  These are ALL the lines containing the queue number.
That is unusual.  There definitely should have been a connect 
line.  Note, however, that if this was at the beginning of the day 
(~12:00AM to 12:05AM), it could be that the connect line was in the 
previous log file.

The log file
seems incomplete, because on every incoming connection, I usually get first
a connect REMOTEIP (REMOTE_SERVER) port PORTNO line, followed by the ehlo,
mail from, rcpt to.  Then I usually get a spoolfilepath line after the
rcpt to.  Then I usually get Imail's performing antispam checks before the
processing line, even though I have completely disabled all of Imail's
antispam features.  So some lines seem to be missing.
That too is unusual -- from the information so far, I would normally 
suspect that IMail mishandled the E-mail, and didn't pass it on to 
Declude.  But since there are Declude log file entries, Declude did indeed 
scan it.

After that is where it passes off to Declude, and Declude reports that its
last action was IGNORE on this message (My logs are on HIGH, so I won't
post the whole thing, just the last line, but all expected lines are there):
11/23/2004 17:19:08 Qb07e000b01ca61ae Last action = IGNORE.
How does this time compare to the IMail log file times?  Was there a long 
delay in the Declude processing of the E-mail?

But there is no further mention of the queue number in the Imail logs.  Did
Declude bomb while passing back to Imail?  Or did Imail drop the ball?  How
can I tell?
Unfortunately, it isn't easy to tell.  The Last action = IGNORE *should* 
mean that Declude ended up successfully passing the E-mail to IMail.  But 
there is a very slight chance that something could have gone wrong after 
Declude logged that entry and before Declude passed the E-mail to IMail.

You might want to try searching your hard drive for the 
Db07e000b01ca61ae.SMD file, to see if it is there somewhere.  If Declude 
couldn't pass the E-mail on to IMail, the Db07e000b01ca61ae.SMD file should 
be in the \IMail\spool directory (but if that is the case, IMail should 
have delivered it within 1-2 hours later).

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] Ipowerweb

2004-12-06 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Any one have any opinions on them?

I have on the different servers I work on seen many spam messages from
servers on the Ipowerweb network.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You



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[Declude.JunkMail] ZIP files

2004-12-06 Thread Richard Farris
I am blocking zip files in the virus filterbut I have one customer who 
really needs to use them without renaming files...is there a way to have one 
customers not looked at for a particular virus or all viruses..or is there a 
way that zip files can be filtered with a spam rule...

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
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1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ipowerweb

2004-12-06 Thread Darin Cox
Amazing that you send this today.  We just got a new development customer
today that is hosted with them.  Don't know much about iPowerWeb yet, but
I'll be talking to them over the next day or two to get the customer's site
straightened out and will let you know if I find out anything interesting.

Darin.


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From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:39 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Ipowerweb


Any one have any opinions on them?

I have on the different servers I work on seen many spam messages from
servers on the Ipowerweb network.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ZIP files

2004-12-06 Thread Darin Cox
Afraid not.  With Virus it's all or nothing...no domain or user-specific
configurations, though that has been requested.

Darin.


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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] ZIP files


I am blocking zip files in the virus filterbut I have one customer who
really needs to use them without renaming files...is there a way to have one
customers not looked at for a particular virus or all viruses..or is there a
way that zip files can be filtered with a spam rule...

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
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1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
Crossroads to a Cleaner Internet

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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ENDing surbl filter file

2004-12-06 Thread Pete McNeil
On Monday, December 6, 2004, 10:50:19 AM, Andrew wrote:


snip/

CA So... I don't know how antispam software in general is adapting to those
CA anti-SURBL (or just anti-filtering) techniques, but the short of is that
CA your optimization is a good idea to save mail processing time, but not
CA against at least one spam gang.

I love it when they do things like this. We simply code for the
structure of their obfuscation and frequently this is enough to
capture whole families of new campaigns.

... what is it that Scotty said about the hyperwarp drive as he was
handing parts to McCoy... The more they rethink the plumbing, the
easier it is to stop up the works...

A good argument for a diversified approach to spam filtering is that
one mechanism often creates countermeasures that can be exploited by
another.

_M



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ZIP files

2004-12-06 Thread William Stillwell
Requested like forever ago..
Or. how about an Attach Filter for Junkmail ? this would solve the delima 
:-)


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ZIP files


Afraid not.  With Virus it's all or nothing...no domain or user-specific
configurations, though that has been requested.
Darin.
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From: Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] ZIP files

I am blocking zip files in the virus filterbut I have one customer who
really needs to use them without renaming files...is there a way to have 
one
customers not looked at for a particular virus or all viruses..or is there 
a
way that zip files can be filtered with a spam rule...

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
1.270.247. Office
1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
Crossroads to a Cleaner Internet
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Large attachment -- black hole

2004-12-06 Thread Dan Horne
 Note, however, that if this was at the beginning of the day

No, it was 5:00pm.

 How does this time compare to the IMail log file times?

There is no delay between Imail's processing line and Declude's first
entry for the email, and the whole thing scanned through Declude in less
than a second.



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Large attachment -- black hole


I have a user that was sent a 10mb attachment.  They report that it was 
kicked back to the sender saying max message size exceeded.  This 
domain doesn't have a max message size set, nor does the particular 
user, nor does he have a max MAILBOX size.

In the logs, I am seeing something very strange:

SMTPD (b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 (bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] 
EHLO hotmail.com SMTPD (b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 
(bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTPD 
(b07e000b01ca61ae) [64.4.56.32 (bay101-f22.bay101.hotmail.com) ] RCPT 
TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTP (b07e000b01ca61ae) processing 
S:\imail\spool\Qb07e000b01ca61ae.SMD

There is about a 30 minute difference in the timestamps on the last two 
lines.  These are ALL the lines containing the queue number.

That is unusual.  There definitely should have been a connect 
line.  Note, however, that if this was at the beginning of the day (~12:00AM
to 12:05AM), it could be that the connect line was in the previous log
file.

The log file
seems incomplete, because on every incoming connection, I usually get 
first a connect REMOTEIP (REMOTE_SERVER) port PORTNO line, followed 
by the ehlo, mail from, rcpt to.  Then I usually get a spoolfilepath 
line after the rcpt to.  Then I usually get Imail's performing 
antispam checks before the processing line, even though I have 
completely disabled all of Imail's antispam features.  So some lines seem
to be missing.

That too is unusual -- from the information so far, I would normally suspect
that IMail mishandled the E-mail, and didn't pass it on to Declude.  But
since there are Declude log file entries, Declude did indeed scan it.

After that is where it passes off to Declude, and Declude reports that 
its last action was IGNORE on this message (My logs are on HIGH, so I 
won't post the whole thing, just the last line, but all expected lines are
there):

11/23/2004 17:19:08 Qb07e000b01ca61ae Last action = IGNORE.

How does this time compare to the IMail log file times?  Was there a long
delay in the Declude processing of the E-mail?

But there is no further mention of the queue number in the Imail logs.  
Did Declude bomb while passing back to Imail?  Or did Imail drop the 
ball?  How can I tell?

Unfortunately, it isn't easy to tell.  The Last action = IGNORE *should*
mean that Declude ended up successfully passing the E-mail to IMail.  But
there is a very slight chance that something could have gone wrong after
Declude logged that entry and before Declude passed the E-mail to IMail.

You might want to try searching your hard drive for the
Db07e000b01ca61ae.SMD file, to see if it is there somewhere.  If Declude
couldn't pass the E-mail on to IMail, the Db07e000b01ca61ae.SMD file should
be in the \IMail\spool directory (but if that is the case, IMail should have
delivered it within 1-2 hours later).

-Scott
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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ENDing surbl filter file

2004-12-06 Thread marc catuogno
I believe it was the more they OVERTAKE the plumbing, the easier it is to
stop up the drain  Oh geez I need a life

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete McNeil
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 4:23 PM
To: Colbeck, Andrew
Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] ENDing surbl filter file

On Monday, December 6, 2004, 10:50:19 AM, Andrew wrote:


snip/

CA So... I don't know how antispam software in general is adapting to those
CA anti-SURBL (or just anti-filtering) techniques, but the short of is that
CA your optimization is a good idea to save mail processing time, but not
CA against at least one spam gang.

I love it when they do things like this. We simply code for the
structure of their obfuscation and frequently this is enough to
capture whole families of new campaigns.

... what is it that Scotty said about the hyperwarp drive as he was
handing parts to McCoy... The more they rethink the plumbing, the
easier it is to stop up the works...

A good argument for a diversified approach to spam filtering is that
one mechanism often creates countermeasures that can be exploited by
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_M



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