RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0
Matt, SMTP Auth on port 587 is exactly why I called them last week. I recommend that everyone email [EMAIL PROTECTED] requesting support of submission port 587 in version 3.0 of smartermail. The only way it’s going to happen is if they perceive a huge demand for it. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:56 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 My own initial experience with their technical support was also less than appealing, in fact I was a bit angry about how it was handled. The person really wasn't too interested in helping to allay my concerns, and when I suggested that it would be good to include the capabilities that I was looking for in a future release, the reaction was pretty much that the developers were busy with SmarterStats and would be for some time, and that there wasn't a good way to get my request to the developers and no way to find out whether or not it would be considered no matter what. I chalked this up to this being a small company with a person that handled such requests that didn't like doing support, and possibly developers that didn't care for listening to such things and had set up a wall to separate themselves from it. It's too bad because you can learn a lot from your customers and their real-world experiences that wouldn't otherwise become known to them. I sucked it up and stuck with migrating my hosted E-mail over to SmarterMail despite this bad experience. If IMail's Web interface wasn't so bad, I probably wouldn't have jumped though. FYI, my issue was with their alternative SMTP port support. While you can set port 587 to accept SMTP connections, you cannot restrict it to only SMTP AUTH. I tried multiple other ways to keep this server from accepting non-authenticated E-mail with a mixture of configurations and filtering, but there were shortcomings for everything that caused a workaround to be unrealistic. For instance, I tried blacklisting everything except for authenticated connections, but their blacklisting will whitelist E-mail from any local address, even when forged. I understand that Declude will support WHITELIST AUTH with SmarterMail 3.0, but I have heard nothing about them addressing SMTP AUTH-only on the alternative SMTP port. Hopefully they will fix that before it gets exploited on my server. Matt Evans Martin wrote: I recently asked a question on one of the public forums regarding why theserver identified itself as the primary IP address assigned to the boxinstead of the IP of the domain sending the email and received the same kindof response. We may be reconsidering our choice of mail servers soon too ifthis kind of behavior keeps up. Evans MartinMartek.Net -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave BeckstromSent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:15 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 I called smartertools last week to tell them that we needed "submissionport587" support in version 3 and that we also need the listserver to havetheability to put the subscribers email address in the footer so that we canidentify AOLers who report list email as spam. The guy on the phone was very rude and would not hardly let me explain tohim what we needed in the new version and why it is important. I ended up having to send them an email explaining our needs. But I wouldnot hold my breath if you think they are listening to their customersdesires or if there is a feature you are waiting on. I own smartermailandsmarterstats and after my experience speaking with smartertools I am notimpressed with the company. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of IMail AdminSent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:25 AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 yes, but I've been waiting all year for SM 3.0, with no end in site. Ben- Original Message -From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:02 AMSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 Nice to know!Now it's time to set up the new mailserver ;-) Markus -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf OfDavid Franco-Rocha [ Declude ]Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:32 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 The 3.0 version of SmarterMail, yet to be released, will passauthentication information to Declude. For those of you whohave been patiently waiting to implement WHITELIST AUTH withSmarterMail, please be advised that Declude will support thatfunctionality with SmarterMail 3.0. David Franco-RochaDeclude Technical / Engineering ---This E-mail came
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0
My own initial experience with their technical support was also less than appealing, in fact I was a bit angry about how it was handled. The person really wasn't too interested in helping to allay my concerns, and when I suggested that it would be good to include the capabilities that I was looking for in a future release, the reaction was pretty much that the developers were busy with SmarterStats and would be for some time, and that there wasn't a good way to get my request to the developers and no way to find out whether or not it would be considered no matter what. I chalked this up to this being a small company with a person that handled such requests that didn't like doing support, and possibly developers that didn't care for listening to such things and had set up a wall to separate themselves from it. It's too bad because you can learn a lot from your customers and their real-world experiences that wouldn't otherwise become known to them. I sucked it up and stuck with migrating my hosted E-mail over to SmarterMail despite this bad experience. If IMail's Web interface wasn't so bad, I probably wouldn't have jumped though. FYI, my issue was with their alternative SMTP port support. While you can set port 587 to accept SMTP connections, you cannot restrict it to only SMTP AUTH. I tried multiple other ways to keep this server from accepting non-authenticated E-mail with a mixture of configurations and filtering, but there were shortcomings for everything that caused a workaround to be unrealistic. For instance, I tried blacklisting everything except for authenticated connections, but their blacklisting will whitelist E-mail from any local address, even when forged. I understand that Declude will support WHITELIST AUTH with SmarterMail 3.0, but I have heard nothing about them addressing SMTP AUTH-only on the alternative SMTP port. Hopefully they will fix that before it gets exploited on my server. Matt Evans Martin wrote: I recently asked a question on one of the public forums regarding why the server identified itself as the primary IP address assigned to the box instead of the IP of the domain sending the email and received the same kind of response. We may be reconsidering our choice of mail servers soon too if this kind of behavior keeps up. Evans Martin Martek.Net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:15 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 I called smartertools last week to tell them that we needed "submission port 587" support in version 3 and that we also need the listserver to have the ability to put the subscribers email address in the footer so that we can identify AOLers who report list email as spam. The guy on the phone was very rude and would not hardly let me explain to him what we needed in the new version and why it is important. I ended up having to send them an email explaining our needs. But I would not hold my breath if you think they are listening to their customers desires or if there is a feature you are waiting on. I own smartermail and smarterstats and after my experience speaking with smartertools I am not impressed with the company. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of IMail Admin Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:25 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 yes, but I've been waiting all year for SM 3.0, with no end in site. Ben - Original Message - From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 Nice to know! Now it's time to set up the new mailserver ;-) Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:32 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 The 3.0 version of SmarterMail, yet to be released, will pass authentication information to Declude. For those of you who have been patiently waiting to implement WHITELIST AUTH with SmarterMail, please be advised that Declude will support that functionality with SmarterMail 3.0. David Franco-Rocha Declude Technical / Engineering --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archi
[Declude.JunkMail] Why did this file SpamRouting test?
Title: Message Both identifiable IP addresses are in Germany. The only record inbetween was a forwarding entry and should have been ignored!? > > -Original Message- > > Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.84] by > > hm-software.com with ESMTP > > (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE114950102; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:16:49 -0500 > > Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de > > by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp > > id 1EWHjc-0001qd-00; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:16:48 +0100 > > Received: from athome > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]84.161.233.6]) by > > fwd31.sul.t-online.de > > with smtp id 1EWHjM-0a2mTA0; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:16:32 +0100 > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Best RegardsAndy SchmidtPhone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0
I recently asked a question on one of the public forums regarding why the server identified itself as the primary IP address assigned to the box instead of the IP of the domain sending the email and received the same kind of response. We may be reconsidering our choice of mail servers soon too if this kind of behavior keeps up. Evans Martin Martek.Net > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:15 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 > > I called smartertools last week to tell them that we needed "submission > port > 587" support in version 3 and that we also need the listserver to have > the > ability to put the subscribers email address in the footer so that we can > identify AOLers who report list email as spam. > > The guy on the phone was very rude and would not hardly let me explain to > him what we needed in the new version and why it is important. > > I ended up having to send them an email explaining our needs. But I would > not hold my breath if you think they are listening to their customers > desires or if there is a feature you are waiting on. I own smartermail > and > smarterstats and after my experience speaking with smartertools I am not > impressed with the company. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IMail Admin > > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:25 AM > > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 > > > > yes, but I've been waiting all year for SM 3.0, with no end in site. > > > > Ben > > - Original Message - > > From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:02 AM > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 > > > > > > > Nice to know! > > > Now it's time to set up the new mailserver ;-) > > > > > > Markus > > > > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > >> David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] > > >> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:32 PM > > >> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > > >> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 > > >> > > >> The 3.0 version of SmarterMail, yet to be released, will pass > > >> authentication information to Declude. For those of you who > > >> have been patiently waiting to implement WHITELIST AUTH with > > >> SmarterMail, please be advised that Declude will support that > > >> functionality with SmarterMail 3.0. > > >> > > >> David Franco-Rocha > > >> Declude Technical / Engineering > > >> > > >> --- > > >> This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > >> unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > >> type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be > > >> found at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > >> > > > > > > --- > > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > > > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0
I called smartertools last week to tell them that we needed "submission port 587" support in version 3 and that we also need the listserver to have the ability to put the subscribers email address in the footer so that we can identify AOLers who report list email as spam. The guy on the phone was very rude and would not hardly let me explain to him what we needed in the new version and why it is important. I ended up having to send them an email explaining our needs. But I would not hold my breath if you think they are listening to their customers desires or if there is a feature you are waiting on. I own smartermail and smarterstats and after my experience speaking with smartertools I am not impressed with the company. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IMail Admin > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:25 AM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 > > yes, but I've been waiting all year for SM 3.0, with no end in site. > > Ben > - Original Message - > From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:02 AM > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 > > > > Nice to know! > > Now it's time to set up the new mailserver ;-) > > > > Markus > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >> David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] > >> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:32 PM > >> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > >> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 > >> > >> The 3.0 version of SmarterMail, yet to be released, will pass > >> authentication information to Declude. For those of you who > >> have been patiently waiting to implement WHITELIST AUTH with > >> SmarterMail, please be advised that Declude will support that > >> functionality with SmarterMail 3.0. > >> > >> David Franco-Rocha > >> Declude Technical / Engineering > >> > >> --- > >> This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > >> unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > >> type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be > >> found at http://www.mail-archive.com. > >> > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0
yes, but I've been waiting all year for SM 3.0, with no end in site. Ben - Original Message - From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 Nice to know! Now it's time to set up the new mailserver ;-) Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:32 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude with SmarterMail 3.0 The 3.0 version of SmarterMail, yet to be released, will pass authentication information to Declude. For those of you who have been patiently waiting to implement WHITELIST AUTH with SmarterMail, please be advised that Declude will support that functionality with SmarterMail 3.0. David Franco-Rocha Declude Technical / Engineering --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
