Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
Lots g. In addtion to our hosting services, we also serve as an outsourcing provider to others. If wedecide to move, we'll either find another comparable solution that allows us to migrate our established weighting rules or build our own solution. Darin. - Original Message - From: Robert E. Spivack To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:06 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... How many user mailboxes do you have? The pricing of some outsourced solutions which have a per mailbox fee might actually be lower now that Declude is also an annual required payment. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin CoxSent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:49 AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... Yep. at that price it's time to move to something else or build our own system. Declude, come back with something reasonable or you'll lose customers like IMail did. Darin. - Original Message - From: Scott Fisher To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's postmentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That ismighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. -Scott FisherDirector of ITFarm Progress Companies191 S Gary AveCarol Stream, IL 60188630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments.
[Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's postmentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That ismighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. -Scott FisherDirector of ITFarm Progress Companies191 S Gary AveCarol Stream, IL 60188630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
I can tell you at $1450 a year for my Declude for Imail, isn't going to fly very well here. Ironically, one of the reasons I chose Declude in the beginning was the lower maintenance cost. The upfront cost was higher than the alternatives, but the ongoing price was very affordable. I belive the product was the best product for Imail integration at the time I purchaed it. I also have to say that the lack of the product's advancement has irritated me. Yes there was the change to a service, and yes SmarterMail support was implemented. But the base product has not not improved in virus/vulnerability detection or spam detection in a year. I think that change was the addition of the dynhelo internal test. And I don't use that test because run a third party test that is more effective. Looking at the release logs, the last substantial virus/vulnerability detection or spam additions were in September 2004 with version 1.80. If the price is going up that much, I really expect the program to be getting better. - Original Message - From: Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
At that price we will be looking for alternatives. Considering the cost of declude + sniffer puts us close to $2k. At that price we have many other options and will explore them for sure. H. Scott Fisher wrote: I can tell you at $1450 a year for my Declude for Imail, isn't going to fly very well here. Ironically, one of the reasons I chose Declude in the beginning was the lower maintenance cost. The upfront cost was higher than the alternatives, but the ongoing price was very affordable. I belive the product was the best product for Imail integration at the time I purchaed it. I also have to say that the lack of the product's advancement has irritated me. Yes there was the change to a service, and yes SmarterMail support was implemented. But the base product has not not improved in virus/vulnerability detection or spam detection in a year. I think that change was the addition of the dynhelo internal test. And I don't use that test because run a third party test that is more effective. Looking at the release logs, the last substantial virus/vulnerability detection or spam additions were in September 2004 with version 1.80. If the price is going up that much, I really expect the program to be getting better. - Original Message - From: Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
Yep. at that price it's time to move to something else or build our own system. Declude, come back with something reasonable or you'll lose customers like IMail did. Darin. - Original Message - From: Scott Fisher To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's postmentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That ismighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. -Scott FisherDirector of ITFarm Progress Companies191 S Gary AveCarol Stream, IL 60188630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
Declude can't be serious. This pricing is ridiculous. We turned to Declude because we needed an affordable anti-spam and virus solution. Declude is not IPSwitch and should not strive to be IPSwitch. IPSwitch lost many customers over its price restructuring and Declude will see the same thing if this issue is not addressed. -Chris Anton -- Original Message -- From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:48:41 -0500 Yep. at that price it's time to move to something else or build our own system. Declude, come back with something reasonable or you'll lose customers like IMail did. Darin. - Original Message - From: Scott Fisher To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
Has anyone checked the service agreement page?? https://www.declude.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=22 Following the initial 12 month service and support period included in your initial purchase of your Declude product, a Service Agreement extends the support for a further year. Michael Jaworski Puget Sound Network, Inc. (206) 217-0400 (800) 599-9485 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
I had similar complaints when Sniffer increased their price 50% overnight. Sniffer's attitude was pretty much like it or lump it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Anton Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:53 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... Declude can't be serious. This pricing is ridiculous. We turned to Declude because we needed an affordable anti-spam and virus solution. Declude is not IPSwitch and should not strive to be IPSwitch. IPSwitch lost many customers over its price restructuring and Declude will see the same thing if this issue is not addressed. -Chris Anton -- Original Message -- From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:48:41 -0500 Yep. at that price it's time to move to something else or build our own system. Declude, come back with something reasonable or you'll lose customers like IMail did. Darin. - Original Message - From: Scott Fisher To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
It is not possible to purchase any of the 4.x components alone. They are sold as one package. New sales will be the version 4 suite. If you currently have the 3.x product you can stay with seperate components. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:54 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
Okay, that begs the question... can we buy the 3.x product alone? (i.e. ICS vs. just Imail server?) I certainly hope so! ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:24 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... It is not possible to purchase any of the 4.x components alone. They are sold as one package. New sales will be the version 4 suite. If you currently have the 3.x product you can stay with seperate components. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:54 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4 changes ... worried...
I think we need to stop jumping to conclusions and wait for an official response from Declude (which should have already happened.) I have a feeling that the $1450 for a new license and not for a renewal SA. If that is the case, some one from Declude needs to clarify this on the web site stating that it is a new purchase, not an annual subscription. I say this as I can log on to my account and purchase an SA at the $300 something price. John T eServices For You Seek, and ye shall find! --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
Okay, let me re-ask... can existing customers *upgrade* to version 3.x? ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:52 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... In my conversation with Barry he said all new licenses will be 4.x Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... Okay, that begs the question... can we buy the 3.x product alone? (i.e. ICS vs. just Imail server?) I certainly hope so! ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:24 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... It is not possible to purchase any of the 4.x components alone. They are sold as one package. New sales will be the version 4 suite. If you currently have the 3.x product you can stay with seperate components. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:54 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4 changes ... worried...
John T (Lists) wrote: I think we need to stop jumping to conclusions and wait for an official response from Declude (which should have already happened.) What? No gossip and no drama? I might as well just get a real job then :) H. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4 changes ... worried...
X-Note: X-Note: This email was scanned for spam. [Details at http://spamstats.madriveraccess.com] X-Note: This email has been virus scanned by F-Prot,McAfee AV, and ClamAV. X-Note: Please send abuse reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Country-Chain: X-Hello: X-Note: SMTP Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Note: Sent from: [Revdns: mail.madriveraccess.com] [RemoteHostDomain: declude.com] [IP: 12.152.254.4] [SenderHost: madriveraccess.com] X-Note: Spam [v:2.0.6.16] tests: Whitelisted X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0. X-Note: Scan time: 13:22:36 on 10 Feb 2006 X-Note: Queue name: DD9EB0B8003364D2A.SMD X-Note: John T (Lists) wrote: I have a feeling that the $1450 for a new license and not for a renewal SA. My question is what the new pricing gives for a product - Is it for an annual subscription meaning the software will *expire* [cease to function] annually or for a software contract meaning the product will continue to function however upgrades etal will not be available pending expiration of the agreement. My presumption is present owners will have some sort of 'grandfather' pricing schedule. Barry is a good man, not out to take advantage, so he will respond in good time to all of this. He is also a smart man and I strongly doubt he will go the 'collaboration suite' aka Imail. He must understand that 1,000's $300 customers are better than a few $1500 customers and no one would want expiring software - at least in my opinion. -Nick. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
Call Declude sales and ask this list is not the authorative place to get answers. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:00 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... Okay, let me re-ask... can existing customers *upgrade* to version 3.x? ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:52 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... In my conversation with Barry he said all new licenses will be 4.x Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... Okay, that begs the question... can we buy the 3.x product alone? (i.e. ICS vs. just Imail server?) I certainly hope so! ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:24 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... It is not possible to purchase any of the 4.x components alone. They are sold as one package. New sales will be the version 4 suite. If you currently have the 3.x product you can stay with seperate components. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:54 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...
Should have said Call Declude sales and ask this list is not the authorative place to get answers on licensing. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:21 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... Call Declude sales and ask this list is not the authorative place to get answers. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:00 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... Okay, let me re-ask... can existing customers *upgrade* to version 3.x? ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:52 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... In my conversation with Barry he said all new licenses will be 4.x Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:31 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... Okay, that begs the question... can we buy the 3.x product alone? (i.e. ICS vs. just Imail server?) I certainly hope so! ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:24 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... It is not possible to purchase any of the 4.x components alone. They are sold as one package. New sales will be the version 4 suite. If you currently have the 3.x product you can stay with seperate components. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:54 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Fisher Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:43 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried... So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail. Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although long term how long will they support two different code sets? I'd say my long-term gut feeling isn't good. Next I look through the purchase page. Declude 4 for Imail is now only available for a $1450 Annual Subscription. Ouch. The last time I paid maintenance for Declude it was $265. That's a bump. (Essentially having only one domain here), That is mighty pricey especially compared to the Declude for Smartmail 1 domain price of $199. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Declude prodcut. It's so flexible that you can do many different things... I just can't see how smaller entities like me are going to positively affected by these changes. - Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies 191 S Gary Ave Carol Stream, IL 60188 630-462-2323 This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. Although Farm Progress Companies has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type
