RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols
The main problem with the old system were the users that whined about the lack of documentation in the interims and the lack of notification of new interims. I am glad I don't have to sift through those posts anymore or see Scott for the thousandth time post that the interims are not meant for mass consumption. What I am NOT glad about is the new development speed. With the interims, we went a very long time between official releases, but the development was fast and furious so that by the time the next full release came out it was a vastly improved product rather than the incremental improvements we are getting (or not getting) now. New bug fixes were available for those that needed them, but those of us that didn't need them waited for something we DID need. But then ICS happened and Declude was sold and now the development MUST be different, because now they have to branch out from just Imail. Before, it was one platform, one solution. Now that is no longer the case. Scott had the time and ability to make quick changes to his code because he was intimately familiar with it and because he did not have to spend his time trying to integrate with other systems, nor seeing how such-and-such change affects this setup or that. The introduction of another (and hopefully more in the future) platform for Declude added many variables to the development process that simply weren't there before. So what am I saying? Like it or not, Declude IS different than it was. That doesn't mean it is worse, just different. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols Publicly available betas where you request or sign up to be included is one thing and which I support and look forward to. Being able to freely download betas (and interims) at will no longer works. John T eServices For You > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:48 AM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols > > I'd like to speak out in favor of public betas. It would help CPHZ to weed > out poor design decisions ahead of time, by testing against a broad > number of configurations. > > I think it's better these things are found before the software is released. > > Best Regards > Andy Schmidt > > Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) > Fax:+1 201 934-9206 > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John > Tolmachoff > (Lists) > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:41 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols > > > IMO and I am sure others, Declude continues and will continue to be a unique > product in is power and flexibility. > > You have to remember something here. Declude became to some degree a victim > of its own success meaning that it became popular to the point were it could > not please everyone all of the time, which is in a way what you are > asking it to do. Example, if you are serving 10 people dinner, you can > afford to have everyone help and be taste testers. If you are feeding > 1000, you prepare a lot different. > > John T > eServices For You > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols
Publicly available betas where you request or sign up to be included is one thing and which I support and look forward to. Being able to freely download betas (and interims) at will no longer works. John T eServices For You > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:48 AM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols > > I'd like to speak out in favor of public betas. It would help CPHZ to weed > out poor design decisions ahead of time, by testing against a broad number > of configurations. > > I think it's better these things are found before the software is released. > > Best Regards > Andy Schmidt > > Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) > Fax:+1 201 934-9206 > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff > (Lists) > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:41 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols > > > IMO and I am sure others, Declude continues and will continue to be a unique > product in is power and flexibility. > > You have to remember something here. Declude became to some degree a victim > of its own success meaning that it became popular to the point were it could > not please everyone all of the time, which is in a way what you are asking > it to do. Example, if you are serving 10 people dinner, you can afford to > have everyone help and be taste testers. If you are feeding 1000, you > prepare a lot different. > > John T > eServices For You > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols
I'd like to speak out in favor of public betas. It would help CPHZ to weed out poor design decisions ahead of time, by testing against a broad number of configurations. I think it's better these things are found before the software is released. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:41 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols IMO and I am sure others, Declude continues and will continue to be a unique product in is power and flexibility. You have to remember something here. Declude became to some degree a victim of its own success meaning that it became popular to the point were it could not please everyone all of the time, which is in a way what you are asking it to do. Example, if you are serving 10 people dinner, you can afford to have everyone help and be taste testers. If you are feeding 1000, you prepare a lot different. John T eServices For You --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols
IMO and I am sure others, Declude continues and will continue to be a unique product in is power and flexibility. You have to remember something here. Declude became to some degree a victim of its own success meaning that it became popular to the point were it could not please everyone all of the time, which is in a way what you are asking it to do. Example, if you are serving 10 people dinner, you can afford to have everyone help and be taste testers. If you are feeding 1000, you prepare a lot different. John T eServices For You > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Shacklett > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:22 AM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols > > Once upon a time, not so terribly long ago, there were Declude versions. > Declude versions came in "release" and "beta", and a user could run one or > the other based on best practices decisions by that local user. It was > unique in my [albeit limited] experiences, and it got betas groomed and > features disseminated fast fast fast. > > It appears we have come full circle to a situation where selected insiders > are testing betas, and the rest of the forum sees more infrequent releases. > I recognize that as an obvious and common model, and I can't find specific > fault with the approach > > ...except to note that it is one more aspect of the conversion of Declude > from something unique to just another product. > > > -- > > John Shacklett > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.continentaloffice.com > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Beta protocols
On 31 Mar 2005 at 11:21, John Shacklett wrote: I fully agree. Especially on the 'insider' part. Declude grew as it did in a large part because of the input from this list - I for one have - as Declude is doing - kept my ideas to myself. -Nick > Once upon a time, not so terribly long ago, there were Declude > versions. Declude versions came in "release" and "beta", and a user > could run one or the other based on best practices decisions by that > local user. It was unique in my [albeit limited] experiences, and it > got betas groomed and features disseminated fast fast fast. > > It appears we have come full circle to a situation where selected > insiders are testing betas, and the rest of the forum sees more > infrequent releases. I recognize that as an obvious and common model, > and I can't find specific fault with the approach > > ...except to note that it is one more aspect of the conversion of > Declude from something unique to just another product. > > > -- > > John Shacklett > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.continentaloffice.com > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
