Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-05 Thread Dan

Sweet Matt, thanks!


On Apr 5, 2006, at 13:56, Matt wrote:


Dan,

The code is sort of bitmasked in a way (using hex values).  So  
these codes actually reflect combinations.  There are literally  
hundreds of combinations.


Matt



Dan wrote:


I've been able to assemble these valid codes

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c020040c
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=420f
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=6000410f
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=8004000e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=801e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=802c
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=840a
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=8c20
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c040120e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c004020e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c010100e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c8000246
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c8000247


and these invalid ones, which are reported to be from multiple  
criteria

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=a400010b
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=a010010f


Can you confirm if when multiple criteria are triggered, say 3,  
if  one of the 3 is displayed or if it is a composite code that   
represents all 3?


Thanks,
Dan



On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:55, David Barker wrote:


Hi Dan,

I am not sure that there is a list of codes. I think the codes  
are  generated
and then decoded by the headers page. It is a tool that Scott  
Perry  wrote so

I am not that familiar with it I would have to look into it further.

David B
www.declude.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:40 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more  
confusion


David,

Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible  
codes  are there

and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?

Thanks,
Dan



On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:

You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your  
headers

section:

XINHEADERX-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%

This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page  
which
will explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that  
cause E-
mails to fail the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude   
JunkMail.


http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php

David B
www.declude.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more  
confusion



Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have
spent on both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little  
bit I

still have to learn.

I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by
thinking you had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the  
mail
client.  In re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.   
OK, I

know what to do now.

At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:


Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference  
between
these two messages is that the first is one that is using your  
server

as it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came
directly from the E-mail client, while the second example is one  
that

passed through another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like
most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.
Declude
detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box  
(Message- Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and  
treats  the

message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one
when it was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for  
this

message.  The
second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.
That
header was inserted by Charter's server.
There is a lesser known solution to this that you  
definitely should

add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID
test in SPAMHEADERS.  I use this even though I don't have the same
issue because I get a lot more false positives on SPAMHEADERS  
when it

checks for the Message-ID.  If you use this alternative switch, you
will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and BADHEADERS on  
some of

the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you aren't using CMDSPACE
though because that test would hit every directly connecting  
Outlook

client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam
(XBL/CBL, SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).
The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher  
and

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-05 Thread Matt

Dan,

The code is sort of bitmasked in a way (using hex values).  So these 
codes actually reflect combinations.  There are literally hundreds of 
combinations.


Matt



Dan wrote:


I've been able to assemble these valid codes

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c020040c
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=420f
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=6000410f
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=8004000e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=801e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=802c
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=840a
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=8c20
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c040120e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c004020e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c010100e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c8000246
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c8000247


and these invalid ones, which are reported to be from multiple criteria
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=a400010b
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=a010010f


Can you confirm if when multiple criteria are triggered, say 3, if  
one of the 3 is displayed or if it is a composite code that  
represents all 3?


Thanks,
Dan



On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:55, David Barker wrote:


Hi Dan,

I am not sure that there is a list of codes. I think the codes are  
generated
and then decoded by the headers page. It is a tool that Scott Perry  
wrote so

I am not that familiar with it I would have to look into it further.

David B
www.declude.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:40 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

David,

Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible codes  
are there

and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?

Thanks,
Dan



On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:


You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers
section:

XINHEADERX-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%

This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page which
will explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E-
mails to fail the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude  JunkMail.

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php

David B
www.declude.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion


Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have
spent on both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I
still have to learn.

I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by
thinking you had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail
client.  In re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I
know what to do now.

At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:


Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between
these two messages is that the first is one that is using your server
as it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came
directly from the E-mail client, while the second example is one that
passed through another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like
most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.
Declude
detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message- Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats  the
message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one
when it was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this
message.  The
second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.
That
header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should

add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID
test in SPAMHEADERS.  I use this even though I don't have the same
issue because I get a lot more false positives on SPAMHEADERS when it
checks for the Message-ID.  If you use this alternative switch, you
will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and BADHEADERS on some of
the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you aren't using CMDSPACE
though because that test would hit every directly connecting Outlook
client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam
(XBL/CBL, SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).

The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a

setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will whitelist
all authenticated E-mail, which I assu

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-05 Thread Dan

I've been able to assemble these valid codes

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c020040c
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=420f
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=6000410f
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=8004000e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=801e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=802c
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=840a
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=8c20
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c040120e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c004020e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c010100e
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c8000246
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=c8000247


and these invalid ones, which are reported to be from multiple criteria
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=a400010b
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=a010010f


Can you confirm if when multiple criteria are triggered, say 3, if  
one of the 3 is displayed or if it is a composite code that  
represents all 3?


Thanks,
Dan



On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:55, David Barker wrote:


Hi Dan,

I am not sure that there is a list of codes. I think the codes are  
generated
and then decoded by the headers page. It is a tool that Scott Perry  
wrote so

I am not that familiar with it I would have to look into it further.

David B
www.declude.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:40 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

David,

Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible codes  
are there

and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?

Thanks,
Dan



On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:


You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers
section:

XINHEADER   X-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%

This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page which
will explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E-
mails to fail the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude  
JunkMail.


http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php

David B
www.declude.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion


Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have
spent on both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I
still have to learn.

I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by
thinking you had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail
client.  In re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I
know what to do now.

At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:


Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between
these two messages is that the first is one that is using your server
as it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came
directly from the E-mail client, while the second example is one that
passed through another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like
most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.
Declude
detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message- 
Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats  
the

message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one
when it was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this
message.  The
second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.
That
header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should
add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID
test in SPAMHEADERS.  I use this even though I don't have the same
issue because I get a lot more false positives on SPAMHEADERS when it
checks for the Message-ID.  If you use this alternative switch, you
will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and BADHEADERS on some of
the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you aren't using CMDSPACE
though because that test would hit every directly connecting Outlook
client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam
(XBL/CBL, SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).

The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a
setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will whitelist
all authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example
that you provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST
AUTH disables most tests in JunkMail.

  

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-05 Thread David Barker
Hi Dan,

I am not sure that there is a list of codes. I think the codes are generated
and then decoded by the headers page. It is a tool that Scott Perry wrote so
I am not that familiar with it I would have to look into it further.

David B
www.declude.com 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:40 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

David,

Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible codes are there
and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?

Thanks,
Dan



On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:

> You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers
> section:
>
> XINHEADER X-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%
>
> This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page which 
> will explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E- 
> mails to fail the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude JunkMail.
>
> http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php
>
> David B
> www.declude.com
> 
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion
>
>
> Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have 
> spent on both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I 
> still have to learn.
>
> I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by 
> thinking you had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail 
> client.  In re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I 
> know what to do now.
>
> At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:
>
>
>   Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between 
> these two messages is that the first is one that is using your server 
> as it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came 
> directly from the E-mail client, while the second example is one that 
> passed through another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like 
> most every E-mail
> server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.   
> Declude
> detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats the 
> message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one 
> when it was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this 
> message.  The
> second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.   
> That
> header was inserted by Charter's server.
>   
>   There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should 
> add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add 
> "LOOSENSPAMHEADERS ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID 
> test in SPAMHEADERS.  I use this even though I don't have the same 
> issue because I get a lot more false positives on SPAMHEADERS when it 
> checks for the Message-ID.  If you use this alternative switch, you 
> will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and BADHEADERS on some of 
> the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you aren't using CMDSPACE 
> though because that test would hit every directly connecting Outlook 
> client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test, 
> especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam 
> (XBL/CBL, SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).
>   
>   The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a 
> setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will whitelist 
> all authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example 
> that you provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST 
> AUTH disables most tests in JunkMail.
>   
>   Matt
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   Orin Wells wrote:
>   
>
>   Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling
> with the SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the
> sender is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages  
> coming from
> this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at  
> other
> messages sent by others using the same build of this application  
> sometimes
> they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happening here?  Is there  
> anyway that
> this sender can "fix" this problem?
>   
>   Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"
>   
>   X-

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-05 Thread Dean Lawrence
Actually, those variable codes are listed at the bottom of the online manual.
 
Dean 
On 4/4/06, Scott Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I doubt you'll get a list. I imagine this is proprietary information forDeclude.- Original Message -
From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <Declude.JunkMail@declude.com>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion> David,>> Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible codes  are> there and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?
>> Thanks,> Dan>>>> On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:>>> You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers>> section:
>>>> XINHEADER X-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%>>>> This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page  which>> will>> explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E- mails to
>> fail>> the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude JunkMail.>>>> http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php>>>> David B
>> www.declude.com>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Orin Wells>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM>> To: 
Declude.JunkMail@declude.com>> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion>>>>>> Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have  spent
>> on>> both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I still  have>> to>> learn.>>>> I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by  thinking
>> you>> had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail client.  In>> re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I know what  to do>> now.>>>> At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:
>>>>>> Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between>> these two messages is that the first is one that is using your  server as>> it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came  directly
>> from>> the E-mail client, while the second example is one that passed through>> another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like most every E-mail>> server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.   Declude
>> detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats the>> message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one  when
>> it>> was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this  message.>> The>> second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.   That>> header was inserted by Charter's server.
>>>> There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should>> add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add>> "LOOSENSPAMHEADERS>> ON" to your 
Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID test in  SPAMHEADERS.  I>> use>> this even though I don't have the same issue because I get a lot  more>> false>> positives on SPAMHEADERS when it checks for the Message-ID.  If you  use
>> this>> alternative switch, you will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and>> BADHEADERS on some of the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you>> aren't>> using CMDSPACE though because that test would hit every directly
>> connecting>> Outlook client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,>> especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam>> (XBL/CBL,>> SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).
>>>> The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a>> setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will  whitelist>> all>> authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example  that you
>> provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST AUTH>> disables>> most tests in JunkMail.>>>> Matt>>>>>>>>>>
>> Orin Wells wrote:>>>> Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling>> with the SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the>> sender is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages  coming
>> from>> this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at  other>> messages sent by others using the same build of this application>> sometimes>> they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happen

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-04 Thread Scott Fisher
I doubt you'll get a list. I imagine this is proprietary information for 
Declude.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion



David,

Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible codes  are 
there and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?


Thanks,
Dan



On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:


You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers
section:

XINHEADER X-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%

This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page  which 
will
explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E- mails to 
fail

the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude JunkMail.

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php

David B
www.declude.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion


Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have  spent 
on
both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I still  have 
to

learn.

I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by  thinking 
you

had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail client.  In
re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I know what  to do
now.

At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:


Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between
these two messages is that the first is one that is using your  server as
it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came  directly 
from

the E-mail client, while the second example is one that passed through
another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.   Declude
detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats the
message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one  when 
it
was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this  message. 
The

second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.   That
header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should
add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add 
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS
ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID test in  SPAMHEADERS.  I 
use
this even though I don't have the same issue because I get a lot  more 
false
positives on SPAMHEADERS when it checks for the Message-ID.  If you  use 
this

alternative switch, you will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and
BADHEADERS on some of the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you 
aren't
using CMDSPACE though because that test would hit every directly 
connecting

Outlook client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam 
(XBL/CBL,

SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).

The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a
setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will  whitelist 
all

authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example  that you
provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST AUTH 
disables

most tests in JunkMail.

Matt





Orin Wells wrote:

Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling
with the SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the
sender is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages  coming 
from

this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at  other
messages sent by others using the same build of this application 
sometimes
they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happening here?  Is there  anyway 
that

this sender can "fix" this problem?

Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"

X-Persona: 
Received: from steve2 [216.254.57.135] by consejo-wa.org
with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A9111EEB010C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:37:05
-0800
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Steve Chupik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Orin Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: e-mail
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:49 -0800
Organization: Consejo Counseling
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_03BE_01C63886.9616AF40"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
Thread-Index: AcYzhon3oAG4QKXrR/aQjfBQ4RaA6gFQvMdQ
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-04 Thread Scott Fisher

I doubt yo
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion



David,

Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible codes  
are there and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?


Thanks,
Dan



On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:


You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers
section:

XINHEADER X-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%

This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page  
which will
explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E- 
mails to fail

the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude JunkMail.

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php

David B
www.declude.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion


Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have  
spent on
both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I still  
have to

learn.

I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by  
thinking you

had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail client.  In
re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I know what  
to do

now.

At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:


Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between
these two messages is that the first is one that is using your  
server as
it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came  
directly from

the E-mail client, while the second example is one that passed through
another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.   
Declude

detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats the
message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one  
when it
was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this  
message.  The
second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.   
That

header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should
add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add  
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS
ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID test in  
SPAMHEADERS.  I use
this even though I don't have the same issue because I get a lot  
more false
positives on SPAMHEADERS when it checks for the Message-ID.  If you  
use this

alternative switch, you will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and
BADHEADERS on some of the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you  
aren't
using CMDSPACE though because that test would hit every directly  
connecting

Outlook client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam  
(XBL/CBL,

SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).

The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a
setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will  
whitelist all
authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example  
that you
provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST AUTH  
disables

most tests in JunkMail.

Matt





Orin Wells wrote:


Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling
with the SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the
sender is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages  
coming from
this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at  
other
messages sent by others using the same build of this application  
sometimes
they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happening here?  Is there  
anyway that

this sender can "fix" this problem?

Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"

X-Persona: 
Received: from steve2 [216.254.57.135] by consejo-wa.org
with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A9111EEB010C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:37:05
-0800
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Steve Chupik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Orin Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: e-mail
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:49 -0800
Organization: Consejo Counseling
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_03BE_01C63886.9616AF40"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
Thread-Index: AcYzhon3oAG4QKXrR/aQjfBQ4RaA6gFQvMdQ
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-04 Thread Scott Fisher

I doubty
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion



David,

Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible codes  
are there and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?


Thanks,
Dan



On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:


You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers
section:

XINHEADER X-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%

This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page  
which will
explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E- 
mails to fail

the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude JunkMail.

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php

David B
www.declude.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion


Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have  
spent on
both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I still  
have to

learn.

I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by  
thinking you

had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail client.  In
re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I know what  
to do

now.

At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:


Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between
these two messages is that the first is one that is using your  
server as
it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came  
directly from

the E-mail client, while the second example is one that passed through
another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.   
Declude

detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats the
message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one  
when it
was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this  
message.  The
second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.   
That

header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should
add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add  
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS
ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID test in  
SPAMHEADERS.  I use
this even though I don't have the same issue because I get a lot  
more false
positives on SPAMHEADERS when it checks for the Message-ID.  If you  
use this

alternative switch, you will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and
BADHEADERS on some of the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you  
aren't
using CMDSPACE though because that test would hit every directly  
connecting

Outlook client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam  
(XBL/CBL,

SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).

The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a
setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will  
whitelist all
authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example  
that you
provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST AUTH  
disables

most tests in JunkMail.

Matt





Orin Wells wrote:


Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling
with the SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the
sender is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages  
coming from
this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at  
other
messages sent by others using the same build of this application  
sometimes
they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happening here?  Is there  
anyway that

this sender can "fix" this problem?

Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"

X-Persona: 
Received: from steve2 [216.254.57.135] by consejo-wa.org
with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A9111EEB010C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:37:05
-0800
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Steve Chupik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Orin Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: e-mail
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:49 -0800
Organization: Consejo Counseling
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_03BE_01C63886.9616AF40"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
Thread-Index: AcYzhon3oAG4QKXrR/aQjfBQ4RaA6gFQvMdQ
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-04-04 Thread Dan

David,

Pardon the delayed reply, but I'm curious, how many possible codes  
are there and is there a comprehensive inventory or list anywhere?


Thanks,
Dan



On Feb 24, 2006, at 5:56, David Barker wrote:


You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers
section:

XINHEADER   X-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%

This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page  
which will
explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E- 
mails to fail

the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude JunkMail.

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php

David B
www.declude.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion


Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have  
spent on
both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I still  
have to

learn.

I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by  
thinking you

had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail client.  In
re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I know what  
to do

now.

At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:


Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between
these two messages is that the first is one that is using your  
server as
it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came  
directly from

the E-mail client, while the second example is one that passed through
another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.   
Declude

detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats the
message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one  
when it
was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this  
message.  The
second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.   
That

header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should
add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add  
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS
ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID test in  
SPAMHEADERS.  I use
this even though I don't have the same issue because I get a lot  
more false
positives on SPAMHEADERS when it checks for the Message-ID.  If you  
use this

alternative switch, you will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and
BADHEADERS on some of the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you  
aren't
using CMDSPACE though because that test would hit every directly  
connecting

Outlook client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam  
(XBL/CBL,

SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).

The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a
setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will  
whitelist all
authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example  
that you
provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST AUTH  
disables

most tests in JunkMail.

Matt





Orin Wells wrote:


Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling
with the SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the
sender is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages  
coming from
this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at  
other
messages sent by others using the same build of this application  
sometimes
they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happening here?  Is there  
anyway that

this sender can "fix" this problem?

Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"

X-Persona: 
Received: from steve2 [216.254.57.135] by consejo-wa.org
with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A9111EEB010C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:37:05
-0800
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Steve Chupik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Orin Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: e-mail
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:49 -0800
Organization: Consejo Counseling
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_03BE_01C63886.9616AF40"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
Thread-Index: AcYzho

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-02-24 Thread David Barker
You can add the following to your global.cfg file under your headers
section:

XINHEADER   X-Declude-Code: %HEADERCODE%

This will produce a code and you can check it on this web page which will
explain to you what problem(s) exist with headers that cause E-mails to fail
the BADHEADERS or SPAMHEADERS tests in Declude JunkMail. 

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php

David B
www.declude.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Orin Wells
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion


Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have spent on
both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I still have to
learn.

I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by thinking you
had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail client.  In
re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I know what to do
now.

At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:


Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between
these two messages is that the first is one that is using your server as
it's SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came directly from
the E-mail client, while the second example is one that passed through
another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.  Declude
detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats the
message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one when it
was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this message.  The
second example had a Message-ID header before it hit your server.  That
header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should
add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add "LOOSENSPAMHEADERS
ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID test in SPAMHEADERS.  I use
this even though I don't have the same issue because I get a lot more false
positives on SPAMHEADERS when it checks for the Message-ID.  If you use this
alternative switch, you will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and
BADHEADERS on some of the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you aren't
using CMDSPACE though because that test would hit every directly connecting
Outlook client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam (XBL/CBL,
SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).

The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a
setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will whitelist all
authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example that you
provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST AUTH disables
most tests in JunkMail.

Matt





Orin Wells wrote: 


Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling
with the SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the
sender is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages coming from
this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at other
messages sent by others using the same build of this application sometimes
they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happening here?  Is there anyway that
this sender can "fix" this problem?

Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"

X-Persona: 
Received: from steve2 [216.254.57.135] by consejo-wa.org
with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A9111EEB010C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:37:05
-0800
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
From: "Steve Chupik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: "'Orin Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Subject: RE: e-mail
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:49 -0800
Organization: Consejo Counseling
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_03BE_01C63886.9616AF40"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
Thread-Index: AcYzhon3oAG4QKXrR/aQjfBQ4RaA6gFQvMdQ
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-RBL-Warning

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-02-24 Thread Orin Wells


Thanks Matt.  I don't spend as much time as some of you folks have
spent on both iMail and Declude so there is more than a little bit I
still have to learn.
I misread your first response and got off on the wrong track by thinking
you had said the message-id header WAS inserted by the mail client. 
In re-reading you clearly said it was done by iMail.  OK, I know
what to do now.
At 10:47 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:
Outlook does not add a
Message-ID header.  The difference between these two messages is
that the first is one that is using your server as it's SMTP server and
you are scanning the message as it came directly from the E-mail client,
while the second example is one that passed through another server before
coming to yours.  IMail, like most every E-mail server, adds a
Message-ID header when one isn't already there.  Declude detects
Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and treats
the message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually have one
when it was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS for this
message.  The second example had a Message-ID header before it hit
your server.  That header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely should add
if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS    ON" to your Global.cfg to
disable the Message-ID test in SPAMHEADERS.  I use this even though
I don't have the same issue because I get a lot more false positives on
SPAMHEADERS when it checks for the Message-ID.  If you use this
alternative switch, you will still get other hits such as CMDSPACE and
BADHEADERS on some of the same E-mail clients.  It appears that you
aren't using CMDSPACE though because that test would hit every directly
connecting Outlook client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a
great test, especially in combination with other tests that target zombie
spam (XBL/CBL, SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent
Sniffer).
The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a setting
to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will
whitelist all authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first
example that you provided.  This also saves processing power since
WHITELIST AUTH disables most tests in JunkMail.
Matt


Orin Wells wrote: 
Clearly I am missing something
here.  I am still wrestling with the SPAMHEADERS issue but with a
different sender.  This time the sender is using Microsoft Office
Outlook.  It appears messages coming from this sender do not have
the Message-ID header.  But when I look at other messages sent by
others using the same build of this application sometimes they DO have
the Message-ID.  What is happening here?  Is there anyway that
this sender can "fix" this problem?
Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"
X-Persona: 
Received: from steve2 [216.254.57.135] by consejo-wa.org with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A9111EEB010C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:37:05
-0800
Reply-To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Steve Chupik"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Orin Wells'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: e-mail
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:49 -0800
Organization: Consejo Counseling
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_03BE_01C63886.9616AF40"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
Thread-Index: AcYzhon3oAG4QKXrR/aQjfBQ4RaA6gFQvMdQ
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506
In-Reply-To:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with
spam [421e].
X-Declude-Sender:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[216.254.57.135]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail
(www.declude.com)
for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMHEADERS
X-RCPT-TO:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Status: U
X-UIDL: 375162615
Here is a message from another chap using exactly the same build of MS
Office Outlook - no problem.
X-Persona: 
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-02-23 Thread Matt




Outlook does not add a Message-ID header.  The difference between these
two messages is that the first is one that is using your server as it's
SMTP server and you are scanning the message as it came directly from
the E-mail client, while the second example is one that passed through
another server before coming to yours.  IMail, like most every E-mail
server, adds a Message-ID header when one isn't already there.  Declude
detects Message-ID headers inserted by your own IMail box (Message-Id:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in the first example), and
treats the message as if it didn't have one since it didn't actually
have one when it was received, and this is what triggers SPAMHEADERS
for this message.  The second example had a Message-ID header before it
hit your server.  That header was inserted by Charter's server.

There is a lesser known solution to this that you definitely
should add if you are going to stay on IMail 7.07.  You can add
"LOOSENSPAMHEADERS    ON" to your Global.cfg to disable the Message-ID
test in SPAMHEADERS.  I use this even though I don't have the same
issue because I get a lot more false positives on SPAMHEADERS when it
checks for the Message-ID.  If you use this alternative switch, you
will still get other hits such as
CMDSPACE and BADHEADERS on some of the same E-mail clients.  It appears
that you aren't using
CMDSPACE though because that test would hit every directly connecting
Outlook client unless it was whitelisted.  CMDSPACE is a great test,
especially in combination with other tests that target zombie spam
(XBL/CBL, SpamCop, open relay tests, and to some extent Sniffer).

The best solution is to upgrade to IMail 8.x or higher and add a
setting to your Global.cfg for "WHITELIST AUTH".  This will whitelist
all authenticated E-mail, which I assume included the first example
that you provided.  This also saves processing power since WHITELIST
AUTH disables most tests in JunkMail.

Matt





Orin Wells wrote:
Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling
with the
SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the sender
is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages coming from
this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at
other messages sent by others using the same build of this application
sometimes they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happening
here?  Is there anyway that this sender can "fix" this
problem?
  
Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"
  
X-Persona: 
Received: from steve2 [216.254.57.135] by consejo-wa.org with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A9111EEB010C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:37:05
-0800
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Steve Chupik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Orin Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: e-mail
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:49 -0800
Organization: Consejo Counseling
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
  
boundary="=_NextPart_000_03BE_01C63886.9616AF40"
  X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
  Thread-Index: AcYzhon3oAG4QKXrR/aQjfBQ4RaA6gFQvMdQ
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent
with
spam [421e].
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [216.254.57.135]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail
(www.declude.com)
for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMHEADERS
X-RCPT-TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Status: U
X-UIDL: 375162615
  
Here is a message from another chap using exactly the same build of MS
Office Outlook - no problem.
  
X-Persona: 
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awasco.com
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From: "Scott Lochard"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orin Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:06:30 -0700
Organization: LifeorDeathLeadership
MIME-Version: 1.0
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X-Spam-Tests-Fail

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question - more confusion

2006-02-23 Thread Orin Wells


Clearly I am missing something here.  I am still wrestling with the
SPAMHEADERS issue but with a different sender.  This time the sender
is using Microsoft Office Outlook.  It appears messages coming from
this sender do not have the Message-ID header.  But when I look at
other messages sent by others using the same build of this application
sometimes they DO have the Message-ID.  What is happening
here?  Is there anyway that this sender can "fix" this
problem?
Here is a header set from the chap who is "failing"
X-Persona: 
Received: from steve2 [216.254.57.135] by consejo-wa.org with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A9111EEB010C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:37:05
-0800
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Steve Chupik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Orin Wells'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: e-mail
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:36:49 -0800
Organization: Consejo Counseling
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_03BE_01C63886.9616AF40"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
Thread-Index: AcYzhon3oAG4QKXrR/aQjfBQ4RaA6gFQvMdQ
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with
spam [421e].
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [216.254.57.135]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail
(www.declude.com)
for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMHEADERS
X-RCPT-TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Status: U
X-UIDL: 375162615
Here is a message from another chap using exactly the same build of MS
Office Outlook - no problem.
X-Persona: 
Received: from mxsf16.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.216] by awasco.com
with ESMTP
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-0400
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   d="scan'208?jpg'208,145?dat'208,145,59";
a="140519816:sNHT19421620"
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Scott Lochard"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orin Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:06:30 -0700
Organization: LifeorDeathLeadership
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_0060_01C472E7.76D7EA10"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
E4E4AE15AD8AD544BD6C22CBC36DF311E4922700
Thread-Index: AcRzIeZrtdYsyWeMTb6K4XIb1GNwxA==
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [209.225.28.216]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail
(www.declude.com)
for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: IPNOTINMX, CATCHALLMAILS
X-Declude-Date: 07/26/2004 15:06:30 [12]
X-RCPT-TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Status: U
X-UIDL: 375108670
Is it the ISP service that inserts (or should) the message-ID or is it
Outlook?  It does not make sense it would be the ISP service because
it really shouldn't even know you are sending an email.  So if it is
the email client application (Microsoft Office Outlook) why does one
incarnation insert the message header and the other not?
I am not convinced that it is necessarily the message-id because I found
a message from Barry Simpson using an even later version of Microsoft
Office Outlook where the message-id appears in the same manner and no
flag is generated.  Now I am really confused.  Is it something
else causing this failure?
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Important Declude Update
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question

2006-02-23 Thread Matt
It looks like someone's powerbook is connecting directly to your server 
based on the headers that you provided.  Still, the same advice goes for 
anyone still running IMail 7.x or below and using Declude.


Matt



Orin Wells wrote:

Actually this isn't "our user" but something I get frequently from 
outside and I am trying to give them a clue as to what they need to do 
to clean up their act.


Thanks for the confirmation.

At 02:08 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:

It appears that it was sent without a Message-ID.  The Message-ID 
shown is one that IMail inserted and not one that the E-mail client 
inserted.


You should be whitelisting your own users if at all possible.
Unfortunately you can't do this in IMail 7.07, but Declude does 
support this in 8.x or higher.  With IMail 8.x+ and Declude, you can 
use WHITELIST AUTH so that this isn't an issue.  You will get a lot 
of BADHEADERS, SPAMHEADERS, HELOBOGUS, and CMDSPACE failures on your 
own customers unless you have the ability to whitelist them.


Matt



Orin Wells wrote:

Can anyone tell me why this is failing the SPAMHEADERS check?  I 
know the reasons for the REVDNS and the HELOBOGUS but I am unsure 
about the SPAMHEADERS.  I suspect it may be the placement of the 
MESSAGE-ID.
Normally this appears near the top of the headers.  Here it appears 
just above the Declude lines implying to me that Declude may have 
inserted the ID.


OK, if that is the case then I would have to guess that the mail 
client "Direct Mail for Mac OS X" is "the weakest link" here.  Am I 
correct?


Received: from matthew-lundhs-powerbook.local [207.108.197.157] by 
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  (SMTPD32-7.07) id A7CE1CE7010E; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:06:54 -0800
From: "Weekly Update" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:04:25 -0800
Subject: KCPOP Weekly Update - February 23, 2006
X-Mailer: Direct Mail for Mac OS X
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/html;
charset=US-ASCII
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [207.108.197.157]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question

2006-02-23 Thread Orin Wells
Actually this isn't "our user" but something I get frequently from 
outside and I am trying to give them a clue as to what they need to 
do to clean up their act.


Thanks for the confirmation.

At 02:08 PM 2/23/2006, Matt wrote:
It appears that it was sent without a Message-ID.  The Message-ID 
shown is one that IMail inserted and not one that the E-mail client inserted.


You should be whitelisting your own users if at all possible.
Unfortunately you can't do this in IMail 7.07, but Declude does 
support this in 8.x or higher.  With IMail 8.x+ and Declude, you can 
use WHITELIST AUTH so that this isn't an issue.  You will get a lot 
of BADHEADERS, SPAMHEADERS, HELOBOGUS, and CMDSPACE failures on your 
own customers unless you have the ability to whitelist them.


Matt



Orin Wells wrote:

Can anyone tell me why this is failing the SPAMHEADERS check?  I 
know the reasons for the REVDNS and the HELOBOGUS but I am unsure 
about the SPAMHEADERS.  I suspect it may be the placement of the MESSAGE-ID.
Normally this appears near the top of the headers.  Here it appears 
just above the Declude lines implying to me that Declude may have 
inserted the ID.


OK, if that is the case then I would have to guess that the mail 
client "Direct Mail for Mac OS X" is "the weakest link" here.  Am I correct?


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:04:25 -0800
Subject: KCPOP Weekly Update - February 23, 2006
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMHEADERS question

2006-02-23 Thread Matt
It appears that it was sent without a Message-ID.  The Message-ID shown 
is one that IMail inserted and not one that the E-mail client inserted.


You should be whitelisting your own users if at all possible.  
Unfortunately you can't do this in IMail 7.07, but Declude does support 
this in 8.x or higher.  With IMail 8.x+ and Declude, you can use 
WHITELIST AUTH so that this isn't an issue.  You will get a lot of 
BADHEADERS, SPAMHEADERS, HELOBOGUS, and CMDSPACE failures on your own 
customers unless you have the ability to whitelist them.


Matt



Orin Wells wrote:

Can anyone tell me why this is failing the SPAMHEADERS check?  I know 
the reasons for the REVDNS and the HELOBOGUS but I am unsure about the 
SPAMHEADERS.  I suspect it may be the placement of the MESSAGE-ID.  
Normally this appears near the top of the headers.  Here it appears 
just above the Declude lines implying to me that Declude may have 
inserted the ID.


OK, if that is the case then I would have to guess that the mail 
client "Direct Mail for Mac OS X" is "the weakest link" here.  Am I 
correct?


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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:04:25 -0800
Subject: KCPOP Weekly Update - February 23, 2006
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders

2005-10-12 Thread John T \(Lists\)
Are you forcing users to authenticate to Imail before sending, otherwise
known as SMTP Authentication? If so, just put a line in the Global.CFG file
like "WHITELIST AUTH" and those uses that authenticate will pass all tests. 

And yes, this requires Imail 8.x.

John T
eServices For You

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:00 PM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders
> 
> I care if my users aren't getting emails from anyone on the plant when
their
> emails are scored high due to the spamheaders test.  I can't whitelist
> everyone.
> 
> I am not sure if you understand my question John?
> 
> Travis
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John T (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders
> 
> 
> Who cares if the client is authenticating and you are whitelisting
> authentication?
> 
> John T
> eServices For You
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:45 PM
> > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders
> >
> > I understand that, but we don't have control over norton antivirus's
> method
> > of scanning outgoing email.  Also note the emails also fail the test
> > "cmdspace"  (space in receipt to command).
> >
> >
> >
> > > Users/clients sending e-mail out should be authenticating and
> > > authentication
> > > should be whitelisted hence the test does not matter.
> > >
> > > As for receiving, find out what the common string is that is used in
the
> > > headers and add that to your whitelisting file giving credit for the
> same
> > > amount as the spamheaders test.
> > >
> > > John T
> > > eServices For You
> >
> >
> > >> Anyone using norton av 2005 with outlook express with outgoing mail
> > > scanning
> > >> enabled will trip the spamheaders test.  I just thought everyone
should
> > >> know.  I guess that just about obsoletes this test now?
> > >>
> > >> I am using declude 1.81
> > >>
> > >> Travis
> >
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders

2005-10-11 Thread Evans Martin
Not all of us chose to run a current version of IMail$$$.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists)
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:57 PM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders
> 
> Who cares if the client is authenticating and you are whitelisting
> authentication?
> 
> John T
> eServices For You
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:45 PM
> > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders
> >
> > I understand that, but we don't have control over norton antivirus's
> method
> > of scanning outgoing email.  Also note the emails also fail the test
> > "cmdspace"  (space in receipt to command).
> >
> >
> >
> > > Users/clients sending e-mail out should be authenticating and
> > > authentication
> > > should be whitelisted hence the test does not matter.
> > >
> > > As for receiving, find out what the common string is that is used in
> the
> > > headers and add that to your whitelisting file giving credit for the
> same
> > > amount as the spamheaders test.
> > >
> > > John T
> > > eServices For You
> >
> >
> > >> Anyone using norton av 2005 with outlook express with outgoing mail
> > > scanning
> > >> enabled will trip the spamheaders test.  I just thought everyone
> should
> > >> know.  I guess that just about obsoletes this test now?
> > >>
> > >> I am using declude 1.81
> > >>
> > >> Travis
> >
> >
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders

2005-10-11 Thread Travis Sullivan
I care if my users aren't getting emails from anyone on the plant when their 
emails are scored high due to the spamheaders test.  I can't whitelist 
everyone.


I am not sure if you understand my question John?

Travis

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From: "John T (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders


Who cares if the client is authenticating and you are whitelisting
authentication?

John T
eServices For You



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:45 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders

I understand that, but we don't have control over norton antivirus's

method

of scanning outgoing email.  Also note the emails also fail the test
"cmdspace"  (space in receipt to command).



> Users/clients sending e-mail out should be authenticating and
> authentication
> should be whitelisted hence the test does not matter.
>
> As for receiving, find out what the common string is that is used in the
> headers and add that to your whitelisting file giving credit for the

same

> amount as the spamheaders test.
>
> John T
> eServices For You


>> Anyone using norton av 2005 with outlook express with outgoing mail
> scanning
>> enabled will trip the spamheaders test.  I just thought everyone should
>> know.  I guess that just about obsoletes this test now?
>>
>> I am using declude 1.81
>>
>> Travis


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders

2005-10-11 Thread John T \(Lists\)
Who cares if the client is authenticating and you are whitelisting
authentication? 

John T
eServices For You


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:45 PM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders
> 
> I understand that, but we don't have control over norton antivirus's
method
> of scanning outgoing email.  Also note the emails also fail the test
> "cmdspace"  (space in receipt to command).
> 
> 
> 
> > Users/clients sending e-mail out should be authenticating and
> > authentication
> > should be whitelisted hence the test does not matter.
> >
> > As for receiving, find out what the common string is that is used in the
> > headers and add that to your whitelisting file giving credit for the
same
> > amount as the spamheaders test.
> >
> > John T
> > eServices For You
> 
> 
> >> Anyone using norton av 2005 with outlook express with outgoing mail
> > scanning
> >> enabled will trip the spamheaders test.  I just thought everyone should
> >> know.  I guess that just about obsoletes this test now?
> >>
> >> I am using declude 1.81
> >>
> >> Travis
> 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders

2005-10-11 Thread Travis Sullivan
I understand that, but we don't have control over norton antivirus's method 
of scanning outgoing email.  Also note the emails also fail the test 
"cmdspace"  (space in receipt to command).




Users/clients sending e-mail out should be authenticating and 
authentication

should be whitelisted hence the test does not matter.

As for receiving, find out what the common string is that is used in the
headers and add that to your whitelisting file giving credit for the same
amount as the spamheaders test.

John T
eServices For You




Anyone using norton av 2005 with outlook express with outgoing mail

scanning

enabled will trip the spamheaders test.  I just thought everyone should
know.  I guess that just about obsoletes this test now?

I am using declude 1.81

Travis



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders

2005-10-11 Thread John T \(Lists\)
Users/clients sending e-mail out should be authenticating and authentication
should be whitelisted hence the test does not matter.

As for receiving, find out what the common string is that is used in the
headers and add that to your whitelisting file giving credit for the same
amount as the spamheaders test.

John T
eServices For You


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:20 PM
> To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] spamheaders
> 
> Anyone using norton av 2005 with outlook express with outgoing mail
scanning
> enabled will trip the spamheaders test.  I just thought everyone should
> know.  I guess that just about obsoletes this test now?
> 
> I am using declude 1.81
> 
> Travis
> 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b

2005-01-04 Thread bill.maillists
Kami,

Thank you for the reply. Barry sent me a new 2.0.3b to try. So far so good.

Regards,

Bill

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Date:  Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:00:49 -0500

>Hi Bill..
>
>We simply changed our Declude.exe an hour after installing 2.0b since we had
>issues - all we did was just moved the old declude.exe and copied over the
>2.0b version.
>
>No problems.. 
>
>Regards,
>Kami 
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:59 AM
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>Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b
>
>Barry,
>
>Thank you. To confirm, I should downgrade to 1.82 from 2.0b? Will this cause
>any problems?
>
>Bill
>
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>
>>Bill,
>>
>>New exe is being sent to you.
>>
>>Barry
>>
>>
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>>Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b
>>
>>I am running 2.0b and have the Spamheaders problem. Is there a fix for 
>>2.0b available?
>>
>>Bill
>>
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b

2005-01-04 Thread Jerry Freund
When and were will this update be available?



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Bill,

New exe is being sent to you.

Barry


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I am running 2.0b and have the Spamheaders problem. Is there a fix for 2.0b
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Bill


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b

2005-01-04 Thread bill.maillists
Barry,

Thank you. To confirm, I should downgrade to 1.82 from 2.0b? Will this cause 
any problems?

Bill

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>Bill,
>
>New exe is being sent to you.
>
>Barry
>
>
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>
>I am running 2.0b and have the Spamheaders problem. Is there a fix for 2.0b
>available?
>
>Bill
>
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b

2005-01-04 Thread bill.maillists
Barry,

Please disregard my last message. I received the new file after an email from 
you regarding the download of 1.82.

Thank you,

Bill

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>Bill,
>
>New exe is being sent to you.
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>Barry
>
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>
>I am running 2.0b and have the Spamheaders problem. Is there a fix for 2.0b
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>
>Bill
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b

2005-01-04 Thread Kami Razvan
Hi Bill..

We simply changed our Declude.exe an hour after installing 2.0b since we had
issues - all we did was just moved the old declude.exe and copied over the
2.0b version.

No problems.. 

Regards,
Kami 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:59 AM
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Barry,

Thank you. To confirm, I should downgrade to 1.82 from 2.0b? Will this cause
any problems?

Bill

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Date:  Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:33:37 -0500

>Bill,
>
>New exe is being sent to you.
>
>Barry
>
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:20 AM
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>Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b
>
>I am running 2.0b and have the Spamheaders problem. Is there a fix for 
>2.0b available?
>
>Bill
>
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamheaders fix for 2.0b

2005-01-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill,

New exe is being sent to you.

Barry


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I am running 2.0b and have the Spamheaders problem. Is there a fix for 2.0b
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] "SPAMHEADERS"?

2004-05-18 Thread Dave Doherty
Kevin and Dan-

Thanks!

-Dave


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From: "Kevin Bilbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] "SPAMHEADERS"?


> You can use the tool Scott has setup to look up the reason a message has
> failed.
>
> http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=420e
>
>
> Here is the link to your error code.
>
>
> Kevin Bilbee
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty
> > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:26 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] "SPAMHEADERS"?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can anyone tell me why this one failed the SPAMHEADERS test?
> >
> > -Dave Doherty
> >  Skywaves, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Received: from IlanXP [68.236.177.124] by inettec.com with ESMTP
> >   (SMTPD32-8.05) id A69B29201E4; Mon, 17 May 2004 13:30:03 -0400
> > From: "Ilan Cyzner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'Dave Doherty'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [11]   whitelist
> > Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:32:41 -0400
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> >  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0066_01C43C13.6E051AD0"
> > X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
> > Thread-Index: AcQ8NPSd4vuOexbQSj+TGJ7Rqs6ypw==
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
> > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam
> > [420e].
> > X-RBL-Warning: MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS: This E-mail came from a potential
> > spam source listed in MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS.
> > X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMHEADERS [3], MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS [8]
> > X-Spam-Total-Weight: [11]
> > X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [68.236.177.124]
> > X-Declude-Spoolname: Df69b029201e40c72.SMD
> > X-Note: This E-mail was sent from
> > dpvc-68-236-177-124.ny325.east.verizon.net
> > ([68.236.177.124]).
> > X-RCPT-TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Status: U
> > X-UIDL: 343954817
> >
> >
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] "SPAMHEADERS"?

2004-05-17 Thread Kevin Bilbee
You can use the tool Scott has setup to look up the reason a message has
failed.

http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=420e


Here is the link to your error code.


Kevin Bilbee

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] "SPAMHEADERS"?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me why this one failed the SPAMHEADERS test?
>
> -Dave Doherty
>  Skywaves, Inc.
>
>
>
> Received: from IlanXP [68.236.177.124] by inettec.com with ESMTP
>   (SMTPD32-8.05) id A69B29201E4; Mon, 17 May 2004 13:30:03 -0400
> From: "Ilan Cyzner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Dave Doherty'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [11]   whitelist
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:32:41 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0066_01C43C13.6E051AD0"
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
> Thread-Index: AcQ8NPSd4vuOexbQSj+TGJ7Rqs6ypw==
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam
> [420e].
> X-RBL-Warning: MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS: This E-mail came from a potential
> spam source listed in MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS.
> X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMHEADERS [3], MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS [8]
> X-Spam-Total-Weight: [11]
> X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [68.236.177.124]
> X-Declude-Spoolname: Df69b029201e40c72.SMD
> X-Note: This E-mail was sent from
> dpvc-68-236-177-124.ny325.east.verizon.net
> ([68.236.177.124]).
> X-RCPT-TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Status: U
> X-UIDL: 343954817
>
>
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] "SPAMHEADERS"?

2004-05-17 Thread Dan Geiser
http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php?code=420e

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Doherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 2:26 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] "SPAMHEADERS"?


> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me why this one failed the SPAMHEADERS test?
>
> -Dave Doherty
>  Skywaves, Inc.
>
>
>
> Received: from IlanXP [68.236.177.124] by inettec.com with ESMTP
>   (SMTPD32-8.05) id A69B29201E4; Mon, 17 May 2004 13:30:03 -0400
> From: "Ilan Cyzner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Dave Doherty'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [11]   whitelist
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:32:41 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0066_01C43C13.6E051AD0"
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
> Thread-Index: AcQ8NPSd4vuOexbQSj+TGJ7Rqs6ypw==
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam
> [420e].
> X-RBL-Warning: MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS: This E-mail came from a potential
> spam source listed in MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS.
> X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMHEADERS [3], MAILPOLICE-DYNA-REVDNS [8]
> X-Spam-Total-Weight: [11]
> X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [68.236.177.124]
> X-Declude-Spoolname: Df69b029201e40c72.SMD
> X-Note: This E-mail was sent from
dpvc-68-236-177-124.ny325.east.verizon.net
> ([68.236.177.124]).
> X-RCPT-TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Status: U
> X-UIDL: 343954817
>
>
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