[libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Icons in menus by default

2012-11-29 Thread Mirek M. 
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:

> Cor Nouws wrote (25-11-12 14:29)
>
>  I've created the bug first
>>
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=57510
>>
>
> Someone in the issue says that it's very unusual in Mac.
> That is something I've no idea about.
> Others?


That's true.
We could forego the icons on the Mac, then, as they also have command
search, thus there's less need to look through the menus efficiently.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Icons in menus by default

2012-11-29 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 
>> Someone in the issue says that it's very unusual in Mac.
>> That is something I've no idea about.
>> Others?
>
>
> That's true.
> We could forego the icons on the Mac, then, as they also have command
> search, thus there's less need to look through the menus efficiently.

Ubuntu has the HUD. No need for icons there too?

I honestly don't think that icons will make menus more or less usable.

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Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Icons in menus by default

2012-11-29 Thread Mirek M. 
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos <
fitosch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Someone in the issue says that it's very unusual in Mac.
> >> That is something I've no idea about.
> >> Others?
> >
> >
> > That's true.
> > We could forego the icons on the Mac, then, as they also have command
> > search, thus there's less need to look through the menus efficiently.
>
> Ubuntu has the HUD. No need for icons there too?
>

Is it even possible to have icons in the Unity menus? (Sorry, I don't use
Unity.)

I honestly don't think that icons will make menus more or less usable.
>

The human brain can interpret known symbols faster than it can read text,
as icons are more easily recognizable than text (there's more variety in
shape and color).
Try turning on icons in menus and then use the Insert menu.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron) 
Hi Rob,

> At the moment LibreOffice provides a send feedback feature in the
> software ("Help"->"Send Feedback"). This item will send you to the
> Bugzilla-assistant. There you can only file a bug. But it would be
> better I think if they can do more there like on the mozilla-page [1].

I agree completely.


> So I would like to add a page with, for now, options to click easily
> to the bugzilla-assistant[2], ask[3] and nabble (user-mailinglist)[4].

I agree with bz-assistant and ask, but why do you want to lead people
to the ML? IMHO most users are scared of ML and it also duplicates the
function of ask somewhat.

What I'd like for a third (and fourth) option would be maybe to let
people post a tweet with a hash tag like #happylibo and #sadlibo, if
they have a Twitter account. This should be easy enough to monitor for
us.


> Then people have more options where to ask for something then only
> filing bugs. What are your idea's for and would somebody be willing to
> design a page for. I would be willing to create one, but I'm not good
> at designing.

I can try. I have zero experience with Silverstripe, though.


Astron.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier 
Hi Stefan, *,

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Stefan Knorr (Astron)
 wrote:
> [...]
>> Then people have more options where to ask for something then only
>> filing bugs. What are your idea's for and would somebody be willing to
>> design a page for. I would be willing to create one, but I'm not good
>> at designing.
>
> I can try. I have zero experience with Silverstripe, though.

No need to have any experience with silverstripe, after all the
backend exposes just an html-editor. Create the page in plain HTML
with whatever tool you like, integrating your proposal into
silverstripe framework can then be done by me or other people.

(i.e. use "Save page in your browser" to get the framework (headers,
footers and stylesheets) to your local pc, then just edit the part
within the .)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Rainer Bielefeld 

Stefan Knorr (Astron) schrieb:


So I would like to add a page with, for now, options to click easily
to the bugzilla-assistant[2], ask[3] and nabble (user-mailinglist)[4].


Hi,

it was the plan to create something like that, but nobody found the 
time. This forward page also can be used for user relevant info 
concerning new versions, events, many things else.


Best regards


Rainer

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Joel Madero 
Impressive! Thanks a lot for working on this, looking forward to seeing the
final product.


Joel


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Rainer Bielefeld <
libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de> wrote:

> Stefan Knorr (Astron) schrieb:
>
>
>  here's a link to an HTML mockup:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**87946285/libreoffice/feedback/**
>> feedback-page.html
>>
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> I like it! And I have some proposals for additions.
>
> After a click of one of the for fields or as a tooltip a short help text
> should appear with further instructions. Some of our customers have their
> home out of the internet (elderly people) who will be astonished reaching
> an English page from their German software and now they are asked to do
> something with insects or have tho think about crazy thins like "hash tag".
>
> A draft of my thoughts:
>
> For the twitter links something like
> Your comment will be published on Twitter
> 
> >,
> See who else already left a comment
> 
> ?>
>
> For Ask a tooltip:
> Here users will ask your questions how to work with LibreOffice
>
> For Bug report a tooltip:
> Here you can report faults in the LibreOffice software. Be aware that the
> proceeding will take several minutes to create a useful report what will
> help our developers to fix the problem.
>
> Best regards
>
> Rainer
>
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Michael Meeks 
Hi guys,

On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 19:53 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> I like it! And I have some proposals for additions.

Hah :-) so - JFYI - when people click on send-feedback, we now have
more details about their systems: the exact version of the software
they're running, the platform, the component (writer, base etc.) and
more. That would need propagating to "file a bug" of course; but we
could use it with some nice database to correlate results by component.

But - yes; this is rather cool :-)

I wonder - Mozilla have done a lot of this work before us - can we
re-use their backend infrastructure and share development work on that ?
it'd suck to re-invent all their data analytics / query processing
etc. ?

Of course, actually swallowing and meaningfully analysing text behind
things like:

http://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback

is prolly beyond us ATM, but ... perhaps worth collecting if someone
will do real analytics on it.

ATB,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Rainer Bielefeld 

Stefan Knorr (Astron) schrieb:


here's a link to an HTML mockup:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/feedback/feedback-page.html


Hi Stefan,

I like it! And I have some proposals for additions.

After a click of one of the for fields or as a tooltip a short help text 
should appear with further instructions. Some of our customers have 
their home out of the internet (elderly people) who will be astonished 
reaching an English page from their German software and now they are 
asked to do something with insects or have tho think about crazy thins 
like "hash tag".


A draft of my thoughts:

For the twitter links something like
Your comment will be published on Twitter
,
See who else already left a comment


For Ask a tooltip:
Here users will ask your questions how to work with LibreOffice

For Bug report a tooltip:
Here you can report faults in the LibreOffice software. Be aware that 
the proceeding will take several minutes to create a useful report what 
will help our developers to fix the problem.


Best regards

Rainer


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

2012-11-29 Thread Stefan Knorr (Astron) 
Hi Rob, all,

here's a link to an HTML mockup:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/feedback/feedback-page.html

Note a few things:
* there's probably a lot that can still be done with the design
(albeit this one has already taken me embarrassingly long, or at least
longer than I hoped)
* this code won't win contests (it's a mockup!)
* I would leave the whole signing into Twitter, counting characters
and all the JS-y thigns that don't yet work to you (if you even like
the Twitter idea).

Astron.

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