[libreoffice-design] Fw: [libreoffice-website] Redesigning the website

2013-11-06 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
FYI

Charles.

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:56:42 +0100
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Sujet: [libreoffice-website] Redesigning the website


Hello,

The time has come for us to work on a new and improved web site for
LibreOffice. While it served us well for several years already, it has
also shown some downsides and people tend to complain more. 

Because of this the board has decided to start a website redesign
project and as such the first thing that needs to be clarified is to
define the scope of this website redesign.

Technically speaking we will continue using our SilverStripe platform;
we won't pick a new CMS (they are more or less the same for what needs
to be done). We will not be targetting any of the current development
and communications platforms: gerrit, git repos, the wiki, the mailing
lists etc. fall out of the scope of our discussion. For practical
reasons, so do the templates and the extensions sites. 

What needs to be redesigned then falls under three categories:

* the "design" itself (understand: the theme, the general look of the
  website)
* the content. We may  reuse some of it as there are certainly some
  good bits available, but we will also reorganize the way we think
  about the general presentation of the website. In this regard the
  discussion about how to engage users  to the LibreOffice community
  and the resulting survey that has just been launched will help on
  this matter. But we obviously need to think about the landing page. 
* while the technical bits themselves are not covered for this specific
  aspect, we would need to think about the whole download experience
  and the download page itself.

Requirements: that's the nice part :-)
- we will have a test environment with a SilverStripe instance to build
out the website. 
- designers are welcome: this will be a key part of the project. The
  board has published a job posting on this a few days ago. 

General comments:
This redesign is very much an end-user focused initiative and as such a
marketing need. I must stress again that this isn't a project where we
decided to overhaul the online development and collaborative work
tools. This is rather the opportunity to develop a nice looking, clear
front facing website for LibreOffice. Another element that should not
be forgotten is to make sure the Native-Lang communities are not
forgotten and are included in this redesign. 

I'm happy to work not just Christian Lohmaier here but with everyone
who'd like to help. 

Thanks!

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Welcome graphics for the Startcenter in 4.2

2013-11-06 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Kendy

Jan Holesovsky wrote (06-11-13 13:06)


The thing is that now, thanks to the great Krisztian's work, the start
center is just an .ui file that _anyone_ can edit in glade to make it
nicer.  I'd really like people here to understand that we have made a
huge effort in the code base (and it is still continuing until we erase


I understand the great work that has been done and that there are more/ 
relatively easy ways to improve how it looks now :)


And I'm really sorry that I did not give enough credits to all the good 
work from Krisztian and you and other.



the last .src, and convert it to .ui) so that it is much easier for
anybody in the design team to go, and just fix anything that looks ugly
or does not behave as it should.  Please, PLEASE, start using this power
- just grab an .ui file and start playing.


I would love to, but alas I'm not able to do that any time soon.

Cheers,

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Welcome graphics for the Startcenter in 4.2

2013-11-06 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
You need to add the LibreOffice catalog to Glade (see Glade Settings), 
it lives in extras/source/glade.


Am 06.11.2013 18:09, schrieb Pedro:

Hi Kendy


Jan Holesovsky wrote

BTW - you do not have to download the file from the repository, you can
just edit the startcenter.ui in your installation of the daily build,
restart LibreOffice, and see your results immediately.  No iteration
through developers necessary - you have the power to make it behaving
perfectly, and send me the resulting .ui for integration :-)

It sounded too good to be true :)

I got Glade for Windows 3.14.2 (and it works too! :) )

However, opening startcenter.ui pops the error message
"Failed to load C:\Program Files\LibreOfficeDev
4\share\config\soffice.cfg\sfx\ui\startcenter.ui.
The following required catalogs are unavailable: LibreOffice"

Hope this helps :)



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[libreoffice-design] Re: Welcome graphics for the Startcenter in 4.2

2013-11-06 Thread Pedro
Hi Kendy


Jan Holesovsky wrote
> BTW - you do not have to download the file from the repository, you can
> just edit the startcenter.ui in your installation of the daily build,
> restart LibreOffice, and see your results immediately.  No iteration
> through developers necessary - you have the power to make it behaving
> perfectly, and send me the resulting .ui for integration :-)

It sounded too good to be true :)

I got Glade for Windows 3.14.2 (and it works too! :) )

However, opening startcenter.ui pops the error message
"Failed to load C:\Program Files\LibreOfficeDev
4\share\config\soffice.cfg\sfx\ui\startcenter.ui.
The following required catalogs are unavailable: LibreOffice"

Hope this helps :)



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Welcome graphics for the Startcenter in 4.2

2013-11-06 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Cor, Michel,

Cor Nouws píše v Ne 27. 10. 2013 v 18:00 +0100:

> > I propose to mix those 2 points :
> >   - revert the code of the new start center : LO4.2 should keep the
> > LO4.1 start center
> > - start a new process to design a new new start center :
> > [...]
> 
> The biggest problem IMO at the moment is the appearance. It's off-puting.

I am late to the party it seems, but I'd really like to address this,
because I believe this is misunderstanding we should fix :-)

> If that cannot be fixed in time I would say: your step 1.

The thing is that now, thanks to the great Krisztian's work, the start
center is just an .ui file that _anyone_ can edit in glade to make it
nicer.  I'd really like people here to understand that we have made a
huge effort in the code base (and it is still continuing until we erase
the last .src, and convert it to .ui) so that it is much easier for
anybody in the design team to go, and just fix anything that looks ugly
or does not behave as it should.  Please, PLEASE, start using this power
- just grab an .ui file and start playing.

In the case of the start center, there is a bit of additional
development work necessary to make it look really beautiful [eg. to get
the green background for the buttons for example]; but if anybody here
provided me with .ui that has the buttons at the right places, with the
right descriptions etc. according to the Mateusz's friend's design, I
could focus on that harder pieces only, and I could even have time for
additional stuff like single click to open the document etc.

The file in question is here:

sfx2/uiconfig/ui/startcenter.ui

[http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/sfx2/uiconfig/ui/startcenter.ui]

Glade (if you are not on Linux - where you most probably have it
already) is here:

https://glade.gnome.org/

BTW - you do not have to download the file from the repository, you can
just edit the startcenter.ui in your installation of the daily build,
restart LibreOffice, and see your results immediately.  No iteration
through developers necessary - you have the power to make it behaving
perfectly, and send me the resulting .ui for integration :-)

All the best,
Kendy


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