Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Website Redesign - Beta

2014-02-02 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
 Er... Thanks folks for your input. As the website will be rolled out
next week, and that we requested this kind of feedback since, well,
3 months for some elements in 3 weeks for the final results, I suggest
you, the design team, work on a later version of the website later this
year and incorporate the elements that have been listed below. 

We would have hoped for your input much earlier in the process, now
it's a bit too late for that.

Thanks,

Charles.

Le Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:13:49 +0100,
Stefan Knorr heinzless...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Hi all,
 
 so, first, I really like the new page, especially the fact that it is
 now responsive and looks much more modern. Lato is a nice font, too.
 And it finally feels a bit more personal than the current page which
 presents pretty models as our community.
 
 
 just to voice a few things of my own...
 
 On 25 January 2014 12:20, bitigçi bitig...@me.com wrote:
  I wonder why the current shade of green which is already hosted on
  the splash screen and wiki page? This one is too much dark and
  without proper border gradients it looks like it's from 90s. Again,
  this is needed for compatibility in all LO web and software
  platforms. Seriously, why the need for a change? Splash screen
  green shade is very easy on the eyes, and it is good looking. But
  this one with white text is not the perfect choice.
 
 Right. The problem is that the splash screen green was not part of our
 palette before 4.0. And compared to the rest of the palette, it does
 look that way, too.
 On the other hand, I also understand your criticism -- the green is
 indeed pretty harsh. For me, it still works, though. (However, putting
 that green in the splash screen again though will not allow for being
 subtle. And yes, since our branding story should be aligned from
 product to website at some point, we would have to think about this.
 That said, if we're using that dark green, it would be much better to
 use it for text  logo instead of the background.)
 
 Anyway... One thing that does not work is using small black text on
 dark green. It doesn't contrast well at all. Also, it reminds me of
 this:
 http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/mig/6/2/6/1/2236261-XboxOne1_20201_screen.jpg
 ;) Wonder why they went with that -- It's actually much worse on a
 real-life poster.
 
  Also white text on white background is a no-no, it's literally an
  eye-killer.
 
 I guess you should explain where on the page that was -- I couldn't
 find it.
 
 
  Menus on top should be opened automatically on mouse hover, it's the
  standard gesture in all websites.
 
 +1. Also, hovering works with CSS only, for clickable menus you need
 JS. This means that currently, when disabling JS in the browser, the
 menu is needlessly broken. (It won't matter for the mobile page, as
 you can't disable JS in mobile browsers anyway.)
 
 
  Also as different people already stated above, this website needs
  nice screenshots with feature explanations, no one cares about what
  kind of sacred mission LibreOffice has, people need a software that
  works.
 
 Yep. Marketing to the 10 % (or less) of people that care about the
 whole open-source  community aspect is very important, but marketing
 to the other 90 % shouldn't be completely left aside..
 
 On a similar note: the footer communicates to me that this community
 is just overkilling it socially. Nobody cares, and nobody actually
 wants two Twitter feeds to load at the bottom of every page (consider
 page load times etc.).
 Same with the follow us thing -- two Twitter links, fine. Five? Why?
 Also, the presence of this bar could be reduced a little (smaller
 headline on the same line as the icons maybe?).
 
 A few other things:
 + Some mentioned the Get Involved page and the carousel there: I
 personally don't think this makes any sense. There is a limited number
 (they are not changing every week) of items and people are probably
 only interested in one or two very specific things. So, the page
 should allow for selecting a career path without having to wait for
 the slides to animate through or clicking through all slides which is
 cumbersome.
 
 + Why is the header LibreOffice logo grey? (That is actually not a
 colour sanctioned in the brand guide, white is allowed)
 
 + The text baseline between the top logo and the top menu items seems
 a little off (on Windows) maybe you could correct that.
 
 + The font on the Download Now button on the homepage is wrong (should
 probably be Lato, but is Arial). Also, worse, it still lies and only
 links to the download page. See Mozilla.org for how it should be (they
 test(ed) this workflow _very_ meticulously, even down to comparing the
 effectiveness of different colours): http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/
 (button links right to download, button has all the most important
 information)
 
 Best regards,
 
 Astron.
 



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Charles-H. Schulz 
Co-founder, The Document Foundation,
Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Website Redesign - Beta

2014-02-02 Thread Stefan Knorr
Hi Charles,

I am sorry about us helping to create this time-constrained situation.
However, I guess everyone who doesn't read the website list[1] has
never seen your proposals. All I saw on this list was an invite to
take part in the process of redesign. Sorry that many of us didn't
follow up there (at least sorry on my part, I should not try to excuse
everyone).
In any case, even given the possibility of spamming, could you in the
future try to keep the relevant stakeholder lists on CC?

Thanks in advance,

Astron.


[1] I guess most people don't. I don't. Mirek is apparently subscribed
to it and he sort of reads that list but marks all mails as read
automatically.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2014-02-02 Thread Stefan Knorr
Hi all,

On 7 December 2013 22:11, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
 I am concerned that thls call to postpone is rooted in unrealistic 
 expectations and ultimately makes us lose time while demotivating team 
 members.

Well, I am kind of afraid to open this can of worms in this thread...
especially since I am now acting as a necromancer, too. ;)

LibreOffice has a certain tendency to ship with half-done or
(pessimistically speaking) half-broken features that get very little
attention in the next cycle, as the developer(s) has/have moved on
already to the next project. So, the developer tries to make sure that
the worst things are ironed out until x.x.2 or so and then just does
not have time for the feature anymore. After that, the hope usually is
that some (other) volunteer hacker might come around and do the rest
of the work. Of course, the problem with that thinking is that the
first 80 % of the work are done in 20 % of the time, so even if the
mythical helper comes out of the dark shadows, they are facing a
pretty big battle.
And that is where I think Michel wanted to go.

Of course there is at least two more aspects to this, one is
communication with design (where people are excitable and have also
moved on already, so the developer sometimes wants to reach us, but
nobody cares) and the too small beta testing community (which could
find problems before the cycle ends). exaggerationOf course, the
biggest features usually come in right before RC1./exaggeration

Astron.

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