Re: [Design] discussion/ticket system mockups

[Stephen Michel]

On October 17, 2015 5:04:55 AM EDT, mray  wrote:
>
>
>On 16.10.2015 23:41, Stephen Michel wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:06 PM, mray  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.10.2015 04:57, Stephen Michel wrote:

  On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM, mray  wrote:
>  After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we
>probably
>  have to stick to our discussion/ticket system.

  Stick to our discussion/ticket system as opposed to...?
>>>
>>> ... something that can be considered a finished product.
>>>

>  I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is
>where we
>  currently are:
>
>  https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5
>
>
>  Any feedback?

  The border around the inner shaded posts is not dark enough for me
>to
  clearly distinguish the border. Making all the inner borders the
>same
  darkness makes a world of difference, though it's a small change:

  https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO-

  ~Stephen

>>>
>>> It is ok not to be able to distinguish the border.
>>> The border has the sole purpose of highlighting the change of
>background
>>> color. And even that does not have to be something that needs to be
>>> distinguished clearly.
>>>
>>> The main goal is to make it easy to read the connection of posts in
>>> terms of partents and children so that you don't get confused.
>>> indentation is probably the biggest mechanism that cares about that,
>>> background and borders are just supposed to help.
>>>
>>> The really dark border at the very left is just to indicate that
>this is
>>> the topmost post and you're not missing any context.
>> 
>> I think I may have been unclear. Here's your original image, with
>> borders and posts identified.
>> 
>> https://img.bi/#/bZHUWcV!bS6MpE0KIso8MSg8f3vDKgXjvYNBVP4rF6i3RKD-
>> 
>> Border 1 is very dark.
>> Border 2 is dark.
>> Border 3 and 4 are light. So light that it is difficult for me to
>pick
>> out the borders of post A and B.
>> This makes posts A and B run together for me.
>> 
>> I propose changing borders 3 and 4 to be the same darkness as border
>2
>> (maybe it's just a rendering issue, but borders 3 and 4 are lighter
>in
>> the image. In my earlier image, I changed the top and left borders of
>> post A to be in the style of border 2. That's all I'm proposing.
>> 
>
>I agree. This is my fault, I should have noted that these mockups
>aren't
>really "clean" in any sense. Just have a look at the horrible spacing
>differences. This subtle amount of difference is due to me using
>transparency to quickly adapt the predefined color-swatches in
>intensity.

No worries! 

>>>
>>>
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Re: [Design] discussion/ticket system mockups

[Stephen Michel]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:06 PM, mray  wrote:



On 16.10.2015 04:57, Stephen Michel wrote:


 On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:29 PM, mray  wrote:
 After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we 
probably

 have to stick to our discussion/ticket system.


 Stick to our discussion/ticket system as opposed to...?


... something that can be considered a finished product.



 I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is where 
we

 currently are:

 https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5


 Any feedback?


 The border around the inner shaded posts is not dark enough for me 
to
 clearly distinguish the border. Making all the inner borders the 
same

 darkness makes a world of difference, though it's a small change:

 https://img.bi/#/q1mhu9l!A8SXKRNJ6v3l9RTgHGn1KgyWq8kxDnUxc0OV1fO-

 ~Stephen



It is ok not to be able to distinguish the border.
The border has the sole purpose of highlighting the change of 
background

color. And even that does not have to be something that needs to be
distinguished clearly.

The main goal is to make it easy to read the connection of posts in
terms of partents and children so that you don't get confused.
indentation is probably the biggest mechanism that cares about that,
background and borders are just supposed to help.

The really dark border at the very left is just to indicate that this 
is

the topmost post and you're not missing any context.


I think I may have been unclear. Here's your original image, with 
borders and posts identified.


https://img.bi/#/bZHUWcV!bS6MpE0KIso8MSg8f3vDKgXjvYNBVP4rF6i3RKD-

Border 1 is very dark.
Border 2 is dark.
Border 3 and 4 are light. So light that it is difficult for me to pick 
out the borders of post A and B.

This makes posts A and B run together for me.

I propose changing borders 3 and 4 to be the same darkness as border 2 
(maybe it's just a rendering issue, but borders 3 and 4 are lighter in 
the image. In my earlier image, I changed the top and left borders of 
post A to be in the style of border 2. That's all I'm proposing.





Robert

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Re: [Design] discussion/ticket system mockups

[mray]

On 16.10.2015 01:08, Bryan Richter wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:29:36AM +0200, mray wrote:
>> After some discussions with wolftune it dawned on me that we probably
>> have to stick to our discussion/ticket system.
>>
>> I thought we might as well make it more usable then. Here is where we
>> currently are:
>>
>> https://img.bi/#/tMpXHzF!jefIs_vKO6A8a2S4CFDwDg6TK4Qw9JNMzHkb99u5
>>
>>
>> Any feedback?
> 
> Looks great! As I said in IRC, I like the avatar integration and it
> seems like the links around the text-entry box are not too cluttered.
> [These were two points discussed after an earlier iteration.]
> 
> I have two specific questions and one unrelated question:
> 
> 1. I find it hard to recognize the dash (-) as something to click on
> to hide a thread. That might be because the dash is *inside* the block
> it ostensibly closes. Maybe better like this?
> 
> https://img.bi/#/abqkwvI!pka8hJ924A1YWjwi6W58pwO_uQpg3758Yn13YVV6

You're moving the dash outside the box right?
I think a box and its functionality should remain contained in itself.
The dash was [-] before and is also positioned like on
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/2ypaa7/enceladus_saturns_6th_largest_moon_has_a_warm/
for example.
I might play with alternatives like triangles like fr33domlover
suggested on IRC tough.
The reason I stuck with typographical elements is that they are
minimalistic and fit to the rest. If possible I want to avoid attention
in the header part, it is already too loud up there imho.

> 
> (Sorry for poor quality and everything else — I lack the tools and
> such.)

Looks way better than my haskell code!

> 
> 2. I don't like the phrase "remember to follow the Code of Conduct".
> How do people feel about "The Code of Conduct matters!"

I don't have hard feelings about that one, design wise it only mattered
where to position and whether to have a whole sentence.
At this point I even think we could have a set of sentences that
randomly changes to grab peoples attention in a subtle way until they
realize "we mean it". What do you think?

> 
> 3. [unrelated] Robert, are you comfortable using web fonts? I've heard
> they're a no-no in terms of page-load speeds. I don't have a strong
> opinion, but I'm curious to hear yours.

This is related. The new design is 90% webfont! I regard it almost as an
impertaive to use non-standard fonts in cases where design is of any
interest. The dark ages of verdana and arial are way past us now
(FORTUNATELY!). HTML is robust enough to switch to fallbacks and if you
don't pick multiple large fonts with huge charactersets and weight you
end up having a decent impact on page loading.
So am I comfortable? - It is a *relief* to finally be able to use fonts.




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