Re: [Design-team] Design/Artwork wiki pages
On 08/03/2010 03:34 AM, Emily Dirsh wrote: > > This was discussed last week in the meeting, and since no one > volunteered, and I had a few spare minutes I took it upon myself to make > some changes to the design team wiki page. ;) Thank you for kicking us out of our lethargy, I added a couple of small formatting changes: - updated the graphic banner to use Comfortaa instead of Modata; - formatted the About section in a note (as we have it in the Artwork page), this way I think it draws attention and make the page more colorful and friendly. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction
On 08/03/2010 12:38 AM, Adam Miller wrote: > Hello design team! Hi Adam, > My name is Adam Miller and I wanted to take a moment to introduce > myself. I have been a member of the Fedora Project for about two years > now and I'm a member of a few different aspects of the Fedora > Project[0] and would now very much like to contribute to the design > team. I have some background in cartoon illustration and some formal > teachings but nothing beyond a few college courses in drawing and > painting. I hope to be able to help with illustration needs initially, > probably mostly in the icon/logo realm, and then help with anything I > am able as time goes on and my skill set improves. Welcome, glad to see you joined here too > Questions, comments and snide remarks always welcome! You forgot to add a link to those cartoons :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Wiki page for country - web page markup and styling now available for review
On 08/03/2010 01:12 AM, Al Thomas wrote: > > will update the colour borders appropriately. Are we supporting IE6? If so > then > the PNG8 should be used where transparency works for IE6. I think is the time to let IE6 die in its misery. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] summary of my meeting with Pam Chestek yesterday
On 08/02/2010 10:07 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 04:24:17PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > >> If someone is looking to recreate the logo from text + bubble drawing >> then he's doing it wrong, is so much easy to extract it as vectors from >> some source files... > > The current SVG version on Wikipedia (which we're working on getting rid > of) was TRACED FROM A PNG. Go figure. ;) I guess someone thought if he draw the SVG from scratch, not using our sources, then he is clear from a copyright point of view (hint: WRONG!) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Design/Artwork wiki pages
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Emily Dirsh wrote: > > Hi all, > > This was discussed last week in the meeting, and since no one volunteered, > and I had a few spare minutes I took it upon myself to make some changes to > the design team wiki page. > > I basically added some information that was missing from the Design page - > all general information about the design team "what we do" "services > provided" etc - pretty much verbatim from the Artwork page. I just removed > some out of date links and pointed people to the ticket tracker. > > I also added a warning on the Artwork page that it is out of date, and people > should look at the Design page instead. > > The Artwork page still has some information about Resources, Long term > projects, and Guidelines which may also need to be added to the Design page. > I'm just not sure which, if any, of that info is still relevant. If we can > get all relevant information moved from Artwork to Design then we can > hopefully archive the Artwork page and redirect it to the Design page. > > So, anybody with a few minutes to spare go check it out and make it better! > > Artwork page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork > Design page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design > > Emily Actually, I'd like to have more focus and consistency on wiki entries and wiki pages. I don't really know how it can be managed better than what it is already, but at the moment I see too many wiki pages and too many that overlap each other. And I have to be honest, if I were new to the whole project and just seeking some basic information on Fedora Design Team and the Design Suite Spin I would be quite confused as to what it's all about. I will be raising this issue up soon in my Owners and (Co) Maintainers Email Meeting to get some ideas and feedback on how wiki entries can be more professionally and properly managed to maintain some sort of consistency. Oh... and nice work Emily. Regards -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Design/Artwork wiki pages
Hi all, This was discussed last week in the meeting, and since no one volunteered, and I had a few spare minutes I took it upon myself to make some changes to the design team wiki page. ;) I basically added some information that was missing from the Design page - all general information about the design team "what we do" "services provided" etc - pretty much verbatim from the Artwork page. I just removed some out of date links and pointed people to the ticket tracker. I also added a warning on the Artwork page that it is out of date, and people should look at the Design page instead. The Artwork page still has some information about Resources, Long term projects, and Guidelines which may also need to be added to the Design page. I'm just not sure which, if any, of that info is still relevant. If we can get all relevant information moved from Artwork to Design then we can hopefully archive the Artwork page and redirect it to the Design page. So, anybody with a few minutes to spare go check it out and make it better! :D Artwork page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork Design page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design Emily <><>___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Wiki page for country - web page markup and styling now available for review
- Original Message > From: Sijis Aviles > Sent: Mon, 26 July, 2010 22:02:04 > > 2010/7/25 Al Thomas : > > - Original Message > >> From: Máirín Duffy > >> Sent: Mon, 12 July, 2010 19:48:04 > >> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 22:00 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > >> > I built a very minimal top-level fedoracommunity.org and > >> > www.fedoracommunity.org web page now, > >> I did a mockup today too of how it might be improved: > >> >>>http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoracommunity.org/fedoracommunity.org.2.png >>> >g > >> > > I was very impressed by the design and so had a go and turning it into a >web > > page: > > > > http://astavale.co.uk/fedoracommunity/ > > > > I know the design has changed a bit since then, but the bulk of the work > > on >the > > page is done and any amendments should hopefully be fairly quick. > > > > The page is a fluid layout using floats and margins. It is optimized for > > 1024x768, but will display fine at 800x480. > > The first China link is the same as the Bangladesh link, this was in the >mockup > > too. Can someone please correct this. > > > > Al, > > Wow! Great work. > Thanks. > I am aware that 960.gs does have some shortcomings (multiple divs, > fixed, odd code, etc). However, I believe the benefits outweigh the > shortcomings of it. These are the reasons we are strongly focusing on > using 960: > * its a framework we can standardize across all fp.o domains > * an excellent way to build sites quickly > * a way communicate specs between designer and web developer > * its proven > > We have tried using the 960 fluid [1] version but that has proved > difficult to keep things inline as we'd hope. > > I would appreciate if you could help us, using 960, to merge your > example with what we have. Let me know if this is something that > interests you. I can grant you access to make that possible. > > Sijis > > [1] - http://www.designinfluences.com/fluid960gs/ > I am more thank happy to integrate this into the Fedora websites set up. I won't have much time to do this until a couple of weeks though. I would first like to make sure the design is signed off before re-jigging the styling to fit a more generic setting. The following need to be clarified: 1. It was suggested the sections should be ordered by geography (left to right) rather than alphabetical. 2. The colouring of the in page navigation bar is different to the sections. If colour coding is required I need some image files which have matching colours, I will update the colour borders appropriately. Are we supporting IE6? If so then the PNG8 should be used where transparency works for IE6. 3. There was talk of making the sections appear by clicking on the in page navigation bar, rather than having one long page. Not sure I have time to implement this now, but I can amend the markup to make this easier for future. I think it is fine as is, it is a directory listing after all and a long page seems fine to me. 4. Each item in the list in later designs only had a thin grey line top border. I can change this if needed, although I'm happy with the way it is at the moment. [For comparison take a look at Sijis' work at http://www.fedoracommunity.org/template.html compared to my work at http://astavale.co.uk/fedoracommunity/ ] 5. The text and links need to be checked. The link for one of the China sites is the same as Bangladesh and I think some of the spelling / characters used for a few other languages are slightly wrong. (Czech Republic and Romania were mentioned at one point I think.) 6. I will exclude the site navigation and page heading from this, as this will become generic later on. Although I think the page title heading is a bit too weak, too small and text lacking contrast with the pale blue on white. Suggest making the banner logo wider and shorter by placing community.org to the right of Fedora and maybe increase the colour saturation of the logo. Then the specific page title can appear under the logo in a darker colour and large size. This would become generalise across the fpo pages. OK, now for the 960.gs fixed layout discussion! The markup I've done is a fluid layout. For anyone not sure, this means that as the page gets narrower in the web browser, the page itself gets longer to compensate. This means no horizontal scrolling. The best way to see this effect is to hold CTRL and press number pad plus in Firefox. This increases the font size. Keep doing this and you will see how the page flow compensates. This is the equivalent of making the window smaller. Go the other way by holding CTRL and pressing number pad minus. Keep trying this as far as you can and again see how the page flow compensates. This is the equivalent of making the window very large. To me this is the desired layout. The web is not print. Print is static, the web flows. All the CSS specs talk of document flow. The web is a multi-device
[Design-team] Self Introduction
Hello design team! My name is Adam Miller and I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I have been a member of the Fedora Project for about two years now and I'm a member of a few different aspects of the Fedora Project[0] and would now very much like to contribute to the design team. I have some background in cartoon illustration and some formal teachings but nothing beyond a few college courses in drawing and painting. I hope to be able to help with illustration needs initially, probably mostly in the icon/logo realm, and then help with anything I am able as time goes on and my skill set improves. Questions, comments and snide remarks always welcome! -AdamM [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Maxamillion -- http://maxamillion.googlepages.com - () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks
Start End Name Wed 26-May Thu 19-Aug Supplemental Wallpaper Submission Period Wed 26-May Tue 07-Sep Supplemental Wallpaper Process Fri 30-Jul Tue 03-Aug Package Alpha Wallpaper Tue 03-Aug Tue 17-Aug Solicit Feedback on Alpha Wallpaper Wed 11-Aug Fri 13-Aug Create Alpha Website Banner Thu 12-Aug Thu 12-Aug Fedora 14 Alpha Release Readiness Meeting Tue 17-Aug Tue 17-Aug Start Splash Screens Tue 17-Aug Tue 17-Aug Alpha Public Availability Tue 17-Aug Mon 30-Aug Create Splash Screens Tue 17-Aug Fri 03-Sep Prepare wallpaper for Beta Have you found something that is working really well in your schedule? Or maybe you've found something you believe would work better in the future? Update the schedule retrospective page now to capture all of the important details as they happen: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Schedule_Retrospective ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] summary of my meeting with Pam Chestek yesterday
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 04:24:17PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > My non-lawyer mind has comprehension difficulties here: we the the logo > in GPL/CC-BY-SA source files still protected by trademark. Can't say if > this is a conflict or not. One of my eventual goals is to work with FPC on trademarks. For example, fedora-business-cards contains Fedora trademarks, so we can't ship it with non-official spins... > If someone is looking to recreate the logo from text + bubble drawing > then he's doing it wrong, is so much easy to extract it as vectors from > some source files... The current SVG version on Wikipedia (which we're working on getting rid of) was TRACED FROM A PNG. Go figure. ;) -- Ian Weller Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com pgpxJ7TmTW1J9.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] summary of my meeting with Pam Chestek yesterday
On 08/02/2010 02:57 PM, Klaatu wrote: >> The second reason is more pragmatic. As it is, we find unauthorized >> uses fairly commonly. People create their own design files for the >> trademarks, but they can often be recognized because of the errors made >> in creating the imitation. Using a freely available font will make it >> easier for copyists to create a more exact representation of our logo, >> which we don't want. The current font is a bit of sand in the engine >> that helps us protect the uniqueness of our mark. > > This might be a purely academic point.. I understand not wanting to > go re-doing all the branding of Fedora and swapping out the font used > in the logo. I think having a new official font that is > similar-but-free is a great work-around. > > BUT... the idea that keeping a logo "proprietary" will help prevent > its falsification..? This sounds quite strange to me in that it is > directly contrary to the theory behind Free Software. My non-lawyer mind has comprehension difficulties here: we the the logo in GPL/CC-BY-SA source files still protected by trademark. Can't say if this is a conflict or not. > Besides, I don't think it's true. Whether I have to find a download > of Bryant2 on fr33f0nts.ru or navigate the Fedora wiki for comfortaa, > it feels like the same amount of effort to me, and they both result in > what is probably going to be a poorly-done imitation of a well-known > brand without any real indication of official backing. The key is to > make sure we are teaching Fedora users to be discerning about who and > what they trust on the big scary internets. If someone is looking to recreate the logo from text + bubble drawing then he's doing it wrong, is so much easy to extract it as vectors from some source files... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] summary of my meeting with Pam Chestek yesterday
> The second reason is more pragmatic. As it is, we find unauthorized > uses fairly commonly. People create their own design files for the > trademarks, but they can often be recognized because of the errors made > in creating the imitation. Using a freely available font will make it > easier for copyists to create a more exact representation of our logo, > which we don't want. The current font is a bit of sand in the engine > that helps us protect the uniqueness of our mark. This might be a purely academic point.. I understand not wanting to go re-doing all the branding of Fedora and swapping out the font used in the logo. I think having a new official font that is similar-but-free is a great work-around. BUT... the idea that keeping a logo "proprietary" will help prevent its falsification..? This sounds quite strange to me in that it is directly contrary to the theory behind Free Software. Besides, I don't think it's true. Whether I have to find a download of Bryant2 on fr33f0nts.ru or navigate the Fedora wiki for comfortaa, it feels like the same amount of effort to me, and they both result in what is probably going to be a poorly-done imitation of a well-known brand without any real indication of official backing. The key is to make sure we are teaching Fedora users to be discerning about who and what they trust on the big scary internets. Just my initial thoughts on the topic. :-) -- klaatu >> >> == Logo distribution == >> >> All SVG files containing the Fedora wordmark or the Infinity design logo >> will continue to be distributed by request by emailing >> l...@fedoraproject.org. >> >> The remaining logos (at this point Foundations and FUDCon) will be >> distributed through a tarball that may be downloaded via HTTP from >> somewhere on fedoraproject.org. Although these logos are still Fedora >> trademarks, Legal is not worried about rampant misuse of these logos, >> but we will still be sure to enforce the proper use of our trademarks. >> > Just to explain the thinking, we're pretty clear in all the information > we provide about when and how someone has permission to use our logos, > so the fact that someone gets their hands on an svg (or png for that > matter) can't be construed as permission to use the logo. But > restricting access to the logos is one tool that, on a practical level, > limits people's ability to use our logos without permission. Given the > importance of the Fedora and infinity logos, putting some controls on > how easy it is to get exact representations makes sense. With respect > to the FUDCon and Foundations logos, though, at the moment we don't > really see those being used improperly, and its much easier for everyone > who has legitimate need if we put up the svg files, so that's > worthwhile. If we see these files getting used improperly frequently, > we can revert to the same practice we have for the Fedora and infinity > logos, but we don't need to for now. > > Pam > ___ > design-team mailing list > design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.fedorareloaded.com ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
