Re: [Design-team] Fedora design suite group in comps
On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 08:31 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Yes, please create the comps group. Check with the spin maintainers > for > the exact list of apps. I think this is it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning#Included The ones under the "graphics group" -- Thanks! Regards, Ankur https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha "FranciscoD" ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora design suite group in comps
On 10/08/2010 02:11 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 08:31 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> Yes, please create the comps group. Check with the spin maintainers >> for >> the exact list of apps. > > I think this is it: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning#Included > > The ones under the "graphics group" That seems to not be updated (shotwell should be already in, a few other packagers are not yet reviewed), there should be somewhere (Pierros?) the kickstart we agreed on at FUDCon. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Fedora 14 Sleeve Artwork (New variant)
Hi team! I created new variant sleeve artwork for Fedora 14 CD/DVD media. I used mark's text (it's like me). All png files (live cd (32/64bit), installation dvd (32/64bit) and kde live spin cd (32/64bit) palaced here [1]. [1] - http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora14/media-artwork/disk-sleeves/png/ What do you think? Thanks, Alexander. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks
Start End Name Tue 28-Sep Tue 12-Oct Create DVD/CD label and sleeve artwork Tue 12-Oct Mon 25-Oct Polish/Finalize Release Party Posters Fri 15-Oct Fri 15-Oct Package Final Wallpaper Fri 15-Oct Fri 15-Oct Package Final Splash Screens Mon 18-Oct Fri 29-Oct Create Final Release Banners ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 14 Sleeve Artwork (New variant)
08.10.2010, 22:28, "Alexander Smirnov" : > Hi team! > > I created new variant sleeve artwork for Fedora 14 CD/DVD media. > I used mark's text (it's like me). > > All png files (live cd (32/64bit), installation dvd (32/64bit) and kde live > spin cd (32/64bit) palaced here [1]. > > [1] - > http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora14/media-artwork/disk-sleeves/png/ > > What do you think? I think these are great. The arch corner looks prettier on KDE version, could you use the same light blue on all variants? The crowd of Fedora people, I would make the picture bigger so it goes beyond the edges. A safe margin for the text would be 3 mm (1/8 in) off an edge (for mass production). -- Best regards, Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shnurapet shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, GPG: 00217306 ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 14 Sleeve Artwork (New variant)
On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 17:28 +0400, Alexander Smirnov wrote: > Hi team! > > I created new variant sleeve artwork for Fedora 14 CD/DVD media. > I used mark's text (it's like me). > > All png files (live cd (32/64bit), installation dvd (32/64bit) and kde > live spin cd (32/64bit) palaced here [1]. > > [1] - > http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora14/media-artwork/disk-sleeves/png/ > > What do you think? Alexander I think this is brilliant. ~m ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] "Fedora Students Contributing" Shirt Idea
After some feedback, and a lot of trial-and-error from my part, I extended the design to this: http://db.tt/TJnns6b Some more feedback would be nice! - Christian ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 14 Sleeve Artwork (New variant)
On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 17:28 +0400, Alexander Smirnov wrote: > I created new variant sleeve artwork for Fedora 14 CD/DVD media. > http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora14/media-artwork/disk-sleeves/png/ Looking good, Alexander. Combining the crowd with the join link is particularly great. A couple of tiny suggestions that might make them even better: If you put a line break after "All rights reserved.", the trademarks line is about the same length as the first, so it looks a little more even. "Intel-Compatible" should have a small "c" (i.e., "Intel-compatible") to match the lower case of "bit computers". This is how it appeared on older sleeves. Somehow the last couple acquired the capital, though I don't understand why. Also a question for everyone: Do we really need to state the minimum requirements? 400MHz Pentium II processors are over 11 years old. Surely any owners of such a computer would, by now, know what it's likely to be able to run. Also, minimum requirements confuse people. I've lost count of the number of times I've been asked "Does this mean my computer's good enough?" Since the necessary hardware is so basic, the answer for Fedora is almost certainly "Yes", so why confuse anyone unnecessarily? If everyone decides that, yes, we should still display minimum requirements, then they should at least be correct. A P2 is not going to be able to run any 64-bit version of anything. If I recall correctly, the minimum requirements for 64-bit would be a Pentium 4. Does anyone have any accurate testing data? Marc ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 14 Sleeve Artwork (New variant)
On 10/08/2010 08:28 AM, Alexander Smirnov wrote: Hi team! I created new variant sleeve artwork for Fedora 14 CD/DVD media. I used mark's text (it's like me). All png files (live cd (32/64bit), installation dvd (32/64bit) and kde live spin cd (32/64bit) palaced here [1]. [1] - http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora14/media-artwork/disk-sleeves/png/ What do you think? Thanks, Alexander. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team I think you need to alter the text requirements of the 64 bit version to include the need for a 64 bit processor. ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] "Fedora Students Contributing" Shirt Idea
On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 23:15 +0800, christ...@crshd.cc wrote: > After some feedback, and a lot of trial-and-error from my part, I > extended the design to this: > > http://db.tt/TJnns6b > > Some more feedback would be nice! I thought the off-centre text on the front of idea 5 made for a more balanced composition, but, if I were one of the contributing students, I'd be happy to wear either of the designs you've posted—your Ninja status will be well deserved. Marc ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
[Design-team] Ticket #159: FreeMedia Mailer Design
Hello People, I have uploaded a skirmish design for ticket #159. Here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Freemedia-mailer-A4-type-A.svgz#file https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Freemedia-mailer-A4-type-B.svgz#file After much research on mailer regulations, I settled for a 5.25"x5.25" size mailer jacket. It might be worth it to pursue a design for a 6"x7.25" generic envelop for overprotective people ... like me (I like to add extra padding/polystyrene to project the media). I couldn't find much for European mailer regulations so I hope this is universal enough. I used Bitstream Vera Sans for Addresses taking cognizance of accepted mailer typeface (USPS). I believe the font is free from license issues. Correct me if I'm wrong. The 'Air Mail' label employs yet another open font - IM Fell Double Pica. I have two proposals, A & B. The variation lies with the Logos on the Front Side. I am not sure an "Air Mail" label placed on the right is acceptable by law -- well, my predecessor had his like that so, ... I made a version like that too. It seems better that way. However, all other reference materials I found, had it on the left which would put our lovely fedora logo out of place ... In type-B, The only place the fedora logo can fit in is between the Return Address and the Recipient's Address (Turn on 'restrictions' layer for further guidance'). Well, the front is encumbered by restrictions so I couldn't do much there. The rear allowed for some innovation but I kept it minimal as requested. Feel free to check out those designs and critique as necessary. You might want to view some of my reference materials ... I hope I was well guided: http://ribbs.usps.gov/onecodesolution/SPUSPS-B-3200E001.pdf http://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/mailer/ http://www.baystateenvelope.com/pdfs/Postal%20Guidelines%20Primer.pdf http://www.siemons.com/forms/pdf/designing_letter_reply_mail.pdf http://xml.coverpages.org/USPS-PostalAddressingPub28.pdf http://pe.usps.com/mpdesign/pdf/PBRMCrd/ -->various cards with address layout by USPS http://ascenseur.fedorapeople.org/fedora_mailer_new.otg MORE IDEAS: As I was working on this, I got this crazy idea. I may be asking for much, but what if the Addressing was automated ... just like the Fedora Ambassadors business Cards? What if we could type a bash command and get the code to read the Freemedia Contributor's Details, fill that in, fill-in the supplied recipient from the freemedia form db ...and the result is the approved design bearing all that is necessary. Just print, fold, glue, stamp, and mail. How about that? The code could even do the Intelligent bar coding (that thing adds another attraction to the entire design ...you know). All details for that are contained in one of the reference materials above -- they even added the source code (at least it looked like it). Oops ... enough rambling. I hope I've not been too naive regards -- Oku, Onyeibo https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Twohot -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 14 Sleeve Artwork (New variant)
These look really good Alexander! I like the crowd image on the back, and the reflection on the front is really nice. wrt the lower right corner - I think the contrast provided by the lighter blue looks a good bit better, maybe we can play with some other way of differentiating between the kde and standard release? Also, the spacing of the logo(s) and the 14 seems a bit too far apart. I think if they're spaced closer together it'll look more cohesive. Also, on the standard release covers, it looks a bit redundant to have the fedora logo twice in such close proximity, so maybe we should remove the small top logo? > Also a question for everyone: > Do we really need to state the minimum requirements? 400MHz Pentium II > processors are over 11 years old. Surely any owners of such a computer > would, by now, know what it's likely to be able to run. Also, minimum > requirements confuse people. I've lost count of the number of times I've > been asked "Does this mean my computer's good enough?" Since the > necessary hardware is so basic, the answer for Fedora is almost > certainly "Yes", so why confuse anyone unnecessarily? I agree - I don't think the minimum requirements are very helpful. It's also not very clear what minimum requirements means - is it the minimum needed to boot or is it the minimum needed to be reasonably usable? It also doesn't address disk space requirements or minimum graphics needed. Personally I think we should just leave it off, as this is very old/basic hardware, and there are many people who won't even know what kind of hardware they're running or how to find out. The only exception may be indicating the requirement of a 64-bit processor for the 64-bit version (maybe with 'if you're not sure, use the 32-bit CD'). ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Thanks for another great meeting today; here are the minutes!
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 16:40 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > - Schendje, sijis, and mizmo have been hard at work on our new websites; > check out the progress in staging and let us know what you think: > > - http://stg.fedoraproject.org Hello website designers, By and large, the website looks great, and it's good to see that the logical page order is sensible for those browsers that don't use CSS. All your hard work has produced excellent results. I have some constructive criticism for you to consider though. Mostly it's small stuff, but there is one bigger problem. I'll stick to page order as it appears with CSS & JS so I don't forget anything. Query: Are all visitors expected to know the code for their language? This may be common knowledge—I honestly don't know. However, might it be better for language choices to be stated more explicitly? Particularly for languages with another script, for example, Chinese, would it not be more polite to show "简体字" (I think) rather than the Latin-scripted "zh_CN"? Suggestion: Javascript could remove the "OK" button, then automatically redirect if the language selection is changed. This would save a click and make the site feel more responsive. I don't believe it would pose an accessibility problem, since the OK button would remain if javascript was turned off, but do correct me if I've overlooked something. Layout (small-medium problem): The German version of the site uses "Homepage" in place of "Home" for the link bar. As a consequence, in Firefox, "Contributors" drops down a line and overlaps the slideshow. This doesn't happen in Chromium though, because the letterspacing is non-existent, keeping it bunched on the same line. In any case, this highlights a potential l10n problem, in that longer translations risk causing an unhandled overhang. Graceful degradation (biggest problem): Without javascript, the slideshow is a mess, and one that blocks the language change dropdown. Non-JS browsers are a minority, but plenty of people using extensions to selectively turn it off are the kind of tech-savvy people that Fedora might appeal to. A broken site would not go down well. Fortunately the solution is simple. Use relative positioning to stack the slides over the same area with CSS. Non-JS viewers will then see a single slide, correctly displayed. Use javascript to alter the z-order only, bringing the current slide to the top, and sending the others down. Accessibility: I know that I read slowly, but I think the slides might progress too quickly even for average readers. Has this been tested? I'd suggest average reading time plus two seconds per slide for normal progress, but then if one of the numbered buttons is pressed, hold the slide for twice as long, before resuming normal timing with the next slide. Also, extend the on-hover pausing (an effect I only just noticed—it's clever but not intuitive) to hovering over the buttons, which is where a cursor is likely to be if clicking back a slide to try to read the rest of it. This would keep things moving while also giving us slowcoaches a chance. Graceful degradation: As they stand, the numbered buttons are only effective if javascript is on. Therefore, they should be inserted with JS, rather than be hard-coded in the HTML. The alternative is to keep them in HTML, but link to the same page with a querystring ?slide=2 etc. in order to display another slide (e.g., by reordering the HTML with PHP). Then use JS to replace that link with the normal slide change functions instead. Style and consistency: Slides 1, 2, and 4 have a full stop at the end of their headings. Slide 3 does not. In my opinion, slide 3 has it right: headings shouldn't be terminated by full stops (periods). Either way, there should be consistency across the four slides. Additionally, slides two and three use title case, ending "Learn More". Slide 4, though, has small-m "Learn more", with slide 1 also using sentence case "More options". I'd pick sentence case, but, again, consistency is key. Accessibility: slide 2's white text is in places difficult to make out against the lighter background areas. Darker text might improve things. Similarly, slide 4's background interferes a little. Increasing the black rectangle's opacity a notch should help while still keeping the crowd visible. Style and consistency: The bullet-points are indented in "Your Life on Fedora" and "What makes Fedora different?" but hang in "Do It With Fedora". Typography purists would demand hanging punctuation in all cases, but I'm not sure if that's possible in the left-most column, and, as ever, I think consistency is all that's really important. L10n: In the footer, the "Join Fedora" link's URL hasn't been translated so always points to /en/join-fedora Style/grammar: Again for nitpicky purists, there's an argument for a hyphen in "community maintained" as a compound adjective for "site", although it's probably sufficiently well understood as it is. The "well-known" in "Fab[...] is
Re: [Design-team] Thanks for another great meeting today; here are the minutes!
> Hello website designers, > > By and large, the website looks great, and it's good to see that the > logical page order is sensible for those browsers that don't use CSS. > All your hard work has produced excellent results. I have some > constructive criticism for you to consider though. Mostly it's small > stuff, but there is one bigger problem. I'll stick to page order as it > appears with CSS & JS so I don't forget anything. Woah, Marc, this is awesome! We need more eyeballs on the site, especially when they provide detailed feedback like this. I, uhm, agree with pretty much all of it I think. I'll reply in more detail on Monday. :) Note, by the way, that the slideshow isn't done yet - it still needs to be changed to look more like the mockups. Also, it will probably span the full width of the page, like the headers do. That's all mostly appearance though, your points are still valid. - Jef PS maybe we should create a feedback thread on the Websites Team list. (Does Sijis even read the Design list? If so, hi Sijis!) ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] "Fedora Students Contributing" Shirt Idea
2010/10/8 : > After some feedback, and a lot of trial-and-error from my part, I > extended the design to this: > > http://db.tt/TJnns6b > > Some more feedback would be nice! > > - Christian Hi Christian, I've already said it on IRC, but I think it looks absolutely fantastic. :) I agree with Marc though - it looks like the "Fedora" is trying hard to push to the centre, but the flowers are blocking it. Maybe move it to the left and down a bit, like this: http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/tshirtStudents.png Okay, what I did doesn't look great, but it's late. Forgive me. :D - Jef ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 14 Sleeve Artwork (New variant)
Nice, Alexander! > Also a question for everyone: > Do we really need to state the minimum requirements? 400MHz Pentium II > processors are over 11 years old. Surely any owners of such a computer > would, by now, know what it's likely to be able to run. Also, minimum > requirements confuse people. I've lost count of the number of times I've > been asked "Does this mean my computer's good enough?" Since the > necessary hardware is so basic, the answer for Fedora is almost > certainly "Yes", so why confuse anyone unnecessarily? Agreed, though I have no idea if it's required or not. I think that by removing the "requirements" text, the Live and KDE sleeves will get some much needed space. I think this is why I like the layout on the Installation DVD better, the backside has a little more breathing space. We could also bring it down a bit, or widen the text, so the top and left margins are the same length. I also thought the same thing as Emily - having the Fedora logo displayed twice is a bit redundant. Man, I'm agreeing a lot tonight, it's a bit boring. :) - Jef PS could you provide the sources too, so we can all play around with it a little bit? It's easier than explaining these things through words. I tried looking in the /svg/ folder but there was nothing there (it's also possible that you linked to them before, but I missed it). ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 14 Sleeve Artwork (New variant)
09.10.2010, 04:52, "Emily Dirsh" : >> Also a question for everyone: >> Do we really need to state the minimum requirements? 400MHz Pentium II >> processors are over 11 years old. Surely any owners of such a computer >> would, by now, know what it's likely to be able to run. Also, minimum >> requirements confuse people. I've lost count of the number of times I've >> been asked "Does this mean my computer's good enough?" Since the >> necessary hardware is so basic, the answer for Fedora is almost >> certainly "Yes", so why confuse anyone unnecessarily? > > I agree - I don't think the minimum requirements are very helpful. It's I think this is *very* important to state the minimum requirements on the package. 1. One can compare the minimum requirements of two products and see how is Fedora lighter and faster. 2. Seeing how much one's own configuration is above the required minimum one can judge about the performance he is likely to get. 3. Less people wondering why doesn't it work (if it doesn't) and make wrongful judgements about the software quality. > also not very clear what minimum requirements means - is it the minimum > needed to boot or is it the minimum needed to be reasonably usable? It It has always and everywhere been the minimum to be reasonably usable. > also doesn't address disk space requirements or minimum graphics needed. > Personally I think we should just leave it off, as this is very > old/basic hardware, and there are many people who won't even know what > kind of hardware they're running or how to find out. Unfortunately, I can't agree with you here either. People trying Fedora in my country are mostly geeks, and they will evaluate its competitiveness against others before even making a decision to try it. And many others still run old hardware. However, I do think these requirements need to be updated and added to. What we have now may not reflect the actual status. -- Best regards, Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shnurapet shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, GPG: 00217306 ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
