Re: [Design-team] The boot splash - time to think about it again
Hi, I wonder if it's possible to keep track of time whilst booting, I feel this should be possible even if accurate progress or even the amount of work to complete is not known. Maybe then there could be some weighted average of the time taken to boot. This would allow a time based animation that shows true progress (elapsed time) with reference to something meaningful (average boot time). It's not too hard to think of a visual representation of this, movement of a logo along a timeline perhaps..? -=(f) ++++++* (excuse my ASCII art attempt!) -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo
Hi, For the record, in Gnome 2 / Fedora 14, wasn't there a Fedora logo on the main menu? I say this because I had to add a menu to the panel after a fumbling session by an inexperienced user, which removed the menu entirely. When I replaced the menu it had a Gnome foot logo on it instead of the Fedora logo. If this is true and not my memory playing tricks on me, it might show a precedent for Fedora overriding some upstream imagery, placing branding in front of the user by default. I am slightly worried by the undercurrent that seems to suggest leaving upstream untouched... I get the impression there is a barrier to participation in open source that is slowly and surely being cranked higher (sorry that's a bit off topic here) -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 15 GNOME Default Wallpaper
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: That's an absolutely horrible UI; it would be like asking them at boot time what their shell should be, or their mail client, or their web browser, or any number of other implementation details that just serves to confuse the user and get in the way of them actually logging in and doing whatever task they want. It's important to choose good defaults, not just punt choices to the user. Last time I did an install there was a series of questions / intrusive UI on the first boot, is it so different? As a user I don't really care what the background is, so long as my subjective impression doesn't find it offensive. If I find it offensive it's only a few clicks to replace it. If I was a Gnome developer I'd probably be keen to see the upstream presentation preserved; as a user I do find some value in this. If I was a Fedora design team member I'd probably be keen for users to have access to the Fedora version of Gnome 3, equally as a user I would like to have this option. Isn't it crucial to keeping everyone reasonably happy to let the users have the option to choose from both alternatives, and wouldn't a first boot question fit that perfectly? -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 15 GNOME Default Wallpaper
Then if it's not sufficiently important to ask a user, it probably isn't worth deliberating further. Toss a coin or something? Provide a random default? I wish there was more focus to package up and present alternative themes than to provide a single look for each release. I'm thinking that I get a better experience from choosing and using a WordPress theme than I do from clicking about on the desktop or visiting gnome-look.org or art.gnome.org. The default WordPress look is fine. It's taken for granted that users will replace it though. Shouldn't it be similar for the desktop? -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 15 GNOME Default Wallpaper
Hi, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:32 PM, twohot two...@fedoraproject.org wrote: No. One default can be better than another. Even if you take a subjective approach and take a poll. You'll get a clear winner ... subjective as the result may appear, you have a more acceptable art. It is important to provide a generally accepted winner than a winner accepted by a few. I think the point is that the Fedora background and the Gnome one are both likely to be technically excellent backgrounds. Users would get along fine with either. A choice is more likely to be made on religious grounds and any poll you take will be heavily influenced by the opinions of the people polled. If a user choice is really such a horrible UI then someone will have to decide on a default. The person responsible will risk alienating some people. The 'losers' will have to swallow their pride and we can all move on to something that users will actually care about. Of COurse! I am using gnome-shell and I see the wallpaper all the time. Maybe you should preview Gnome3 first I've been using Gnome shell since I first noticed I could, and I love it. I know it's not perfect. I know not everyone loves it but I am really looking forward to it being the default :) If it ships then I will be stunned to hear reviews along the lines of It has Gnome shell which is so different to the old desktop in so many ways but the thing that really bugged me was this wallpaper :) -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Fedora 15 GNOME Default Wallpaper
Fab, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Fabian A. Scherschel f...@sixgun.org wrote: Oh, come on! Asking the user what wallpaper they want on boot is obviously nonsense! Should we also ask them what colour icons they want or where the panels should be? How about the browser or the default email program? Where does it stop? The job of a distribution is too decide on sensible defaults so the user doesn't have to. This is ridicolous! It's not that ridiculous if you think about it. It might be different to what you are used to from a Linux distro. I'm thinking of lots of modern websites where the design and functionality has been changed*. These are leading sites that haven't got to where they are by alienating users. It is similar to changing the way the desktop works. As a gentle introduction to the changes, the user on first login is offered a tour of the new features which integrates nicely with a chance to change or set the optional bits of the interface. Actually I think that would work really well with Gnome 3 if only someone had the time, the overall vision and the responsibility for making sure the users 'bought in' to the new design... -Cam * new.facebook.com and then Facebook's 'New profile'; the second redesign of Orkut; YouTube's new layout all had interactive tours to introduce users to the new features (and turn bits of them off if they didn't like them) ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Concepts for F14
I wonder what the 'correct' pronunciation is... it's tempting to read it as Laugh-lin (joke distribution) :) loff-lin? lor-lin? laff-lin? -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] Concepts for F14
It's pronounced: Lock linn Thanks Frank, perhaps a wiki edit is in order to clarify the 'official' form :) -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Re: [Design-team] f13 rockets simple sketch
Are there any notes on how to hack Plymouth animations, it would be interesting to try to put something together. Ideally I suppose there could be a common bit of software that could be part of a screensaver or part of a boot animation / animated login splash screen. For rocket imagery I really like some of the shots from Gattaca, where the rocket flight was an image associated with the aspirations of the protagonist. The rockets were computer generated and usually appeared behind some stark geometric architecture or simple coloured backgrounds. -Cam ___ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
