[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

The package is now in updates-testing on Bodhi! Please test!

https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-f8e0ef2850

cheers,
ryanlerch

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:46 AM, Máirín Duffy 
wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> On 05/18/2017 08:34 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>
>> This was my hand-picked set from all the past supplementals that was an
>> effort to create a good mix:
>>
>> https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-supplemental-wallpapers-index/picks.html
>>
>
> Oh I must have missed this somehow! I much prefer this set - the variation
> in color palette and subjects is a lot better than skimming the top off the
> past few releases. I also *love* symbolically that the dandelion is
> included.
>
> I believe we should go with your handpicked set, and save for any strong
> objections from other team members (I haven't seen anyone expressing strong
> opinions either way) I think you should just go ahead with your set.
>
> Cheers
>
> ~m
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 01:26:52PM +0700, buergermeis...@karl-tux-stadt.de 
wrote:
> as I said as the thread started, I would prefer if we take in more
> DONE by our contributors. Not submissions grabbed from the net, its


That does seem like a good goal. How does this current list stack up?

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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[buergermeister]

Hi,


Am 17.05.2017 um 22:03 schrieb Máirín Duffy:


On 05/17/2017 10:45 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:

I think it's meant more to be a "greatest hits" than a "dump". I don't
think we should go back through the back catalog frequently, but every
couple of years we might want to look at changing things up a bit with
new entries. (Possibly going from 15 to 18 and not removing older
ones?)

I didn't mean anything pejorative by 'dump,' apologies if it came off
that way.

If there's 15 if we pick the top 5 (in terms of the votes they
received - we do have that historical data) for each of the past 3
releases that would make it nice and neat. So we could do an update
every 3rd release?

Concretely, I've listed out the full size URLs and metadata for this set
of 15 below. Here is a set of thumbnails showing the whole set:

http://i.imgur.com/0yjzaAP.png

It looks like a nice set to me. What do you think?


as I said as the thread started, I would prefer if we take in more DONE 
by our contributors. Not submissions grabbed from the net, its really 
that way that some doing it from one source so for them the contribution 
is just upload it and fill out the form. Thats a 5 minute job on the 
other hand we have the ones, who go out and shot. What is definitely a 
contributions which is more time consuming.
We also have to say that a lot of our good photographer stopped 
contributing to it, well no wonder it must just be blue. Jared is a good 
example on it, he complained about it before Flock Rochester, so we did 
the lighthouse shoot in the blue hour and edited it more blueish and 
wush from all his submission the first one he got in.


So lets honor the people who DO a bit more.

P.S. long term goal is still to replace them with the winners for each 
release, I dont know why this is so hard to achieve with the 
desktop/workstation team


br gnokii


Cheers,
~m

Bridge, thiagoandf, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/thiagoandf-_DSC0062_3.png

Bluebird, afsilva, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/afsilva-DSC06105.jpg

Milky Way, European Southern Observatory, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/nonamedotc-Sky.jpg

raindrops, zdenek, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/zdenek-P8171067.png

Himalayan Desert Mountains, rajivranjan, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/rajivranjan-Leh.JPG

Droplet On Pebble, skamath, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/skamath-HD-Wallpapers1.jpg

Winter in Bohemia, Helena Bartosova, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/eischmann-zima.png

Matterhorn, Marc Bieler, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/marcolino-Matterhorn.png

Milky way over Mangart mountain, Ales Krivec, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/fredlima-Mangart-nocne-1-20-4-mob.jpg

Grytviken, Andrew England, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/englanda-Grytviken.png

Aurora over Iceland, Helena Bartosova, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/eischmann-16.png

Sunrise in Florida II, afsilva, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/afsilva-sunrise_florida_2.png

old railroad, nask0, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/nask0-old-train.png

Jellyfish, Allan Lyngby Lassen, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/darcy-IMG_4739.jpg

Lady Musgrave Blue, Lyle Wang, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/lywang-DSC_0196_resize_png.png

Cheers,
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Ryan,

On 05/18/2017 08:34 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:

This was my hand-picked set from all the past supplementals that was an
effort to create a good mix:

https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-supplemental-wallpapers-index/picks.html


Oh I must have missed this somehow! I much prefer this set - the 
variation in color palette and subjects is a lot better than skimming 
the top off the past few releases. I also *love* symbolically that the 
dandelion is included.


I believe we should go with your handpicked set, and save for any strong 
objections from other team members (I haven't seen anyone expressing 
strong opinions either way) I think you should just go ahead with your set.


Cheers
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Máirín Duffy 
wrote:

>
>
> On 05/17/2017 10:45 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > I think it's meant more to be a "greatest hits" than a "dump". I don't
> > think we should go back through the back catalog frequently, but every
> > couple of years we might want to look at changing things up a bit with
> > new entries. (Possibly going from 15 to 18 and not removing older
> > ones?)
> I didn't mean anything pejorative by 'dump,' apologies if it came off
> that way.
>
> If there's 15 if we pick the top 5 (in terms of the votes they
> received - we do have that historical data) for each of the past 3
> releases that would make it nice and neat. So we could do an update
> every 3rd release?
>
> Concretely, I've listed out the full size URLs and metadata for this set
> of 15 below. Here is a set of thumbnails showing the whole set:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/0yjzaAP.png
>
> It looks like a nice set to me. What do you think?
>


This is a nice set!

I was worried that selecting a set based on the votes would make it lean
towards getting too many of one type (like landscapes), but this seems ok.

This was my hand-picked set from all the past supplementals that was an
effort to create a good mix:

https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-supplemental-wallpapers-index/picks.html

cheers,
ryanlerch


>
> Cheers,
> ~m
>
> Bridge, thiagoandf, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/
> thiagoandf-_DSC0062_3.png
>
> Bluebird, afsilva, CC-BY
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/afsilva-DSC06105.jpg
>
> Milky Way, European Southern Observatory, CC-BY
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/nonamedotc-Sky.jpg
>
> raindrops, zdenek, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/zdenek-P8171067.png
>
> Himalayan Desert Mountains, rajivranjan, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/rajivranjan-Leh.JPG
>
> Droplet On Pebble, skamath, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/
> skamath-HD-Wallpapers1.jpg
>
> Winter in Bohemia, Helena Bartosova, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/eischmann-zima.png
>
> Matterhorn, Marc Bieler, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/
> marcolino-Matterhorn.png
>
> Milky way over Mangart mountain, Ales Krivec, CC-BY
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/
> fredlima-Mangart-nocne-1-20-4-mob.jpg
>
> Grytviken, Andrew England, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/
> englanda-Grytviken.png
>
> Aurora over Iceland, Helena Bartosova, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/eischmann-16.png
>
> Sunrise in Florida II, afsilva, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/
> afsilva-sunrise_florida_2.png
>
> old railroad, nask0, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/nask0-old-train.png
>
> Jellyfish, Allan Lyngby Lassen, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/darcy-IMG_4739.jpg
>
> Lady Musgrave Blue, Lyle Wang, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/
> lywang-DSC_0196_resize_png.png
>
> Cheers,
> ~m
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:14 AM, Máirín Duffy  wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
>
> The part of the proposal here I'm confused about -
>
> Is it meant that this would be update every release with the latest batch
> of Fedora supplemental wallpapers?


> Or, is this meant to be a once-in-a-long-while dump of wallpapers that we
> need to select from the entire back catalog of supplementals?
>

Yeah, the idea here is for these to replace the current standard wallpapers
that GNOME ships. The reasoning behind using the past supplementals as the
source for these was just because they are an awesome set, and licensed
appropriately, and submitted by Fedora Users.


>
> How often are wallpapers going to be swapped out?
>

Ideally, these should not be changed very regularly, as if we remove
wallpapers from this package, and someone is using it as their wallpaper,
it will disappear.

cheers,
ryanlerch


>
> Cheers,
> ~m
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:32:08PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> In order to prevent this from stopping the presses, let's sub in the #6
> F24 wallpaper from nuancier. 
> 
> This probably should have been addressed back in the F24 timeframe. Do
> you feel we should pull it from the F24 package as well?

Nah, I don't think it needs to be pulled; I just don't want to make it
more prominent.


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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Máirín Duffy]

On 05/17/2017 11:54 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:03:55AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> old railroad, nask0, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/nask0-old-train.png
> Hmmm. I'd actually like to skip this one, because I really don't want
> us to be condoning photography on railroad tracks. It's way more
> dangerous than people think, and often illegal.

In order to prevent this from stopping the presses, let's sub in the #6
F24 wallpaper from nuancier. 

This probably should have been addressed back in the F24 timeframe. Do
you feel we should pull it from the F24 package as well?

Updated full list below, new one is on the bottom (Argentina glacier)

Cheers,

~m



Bridge, thiagoandf, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/thiagoandf-_DSC0062_3.png

Bluebird, afsilva, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/afsilva-DSC06105.jpg

Milky Way, European Southern Observatory, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/nonamedotc-Sky.jpg

raindrops, zdenek, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/zdenek-P8171067.png

Himalayan Desert Mountains, rajivranjan, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/rajivranjan-Leh.JPG

Droplet On Pebble, skamath, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/skamath-HD-Wallpapers1.jpg

Winter in Bohemia, Helena Bartosova, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/eischmann-zima.png

Matterhorn, Marc Bieler, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/marcolino-Matterhorn.png

Milky way over Mangart mountain, Ales Krivec, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/fredlima-Mangart-nocne-1-20-4-mob.jpg

Grytviken, Andrew England, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/englanda-Grytviken.png

Aurora over Iceland, Helena Bartosova, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/eischmann-16.png

Sunrise in Florida II, afsilva, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/afsilva-sunrise_florida_2.png

Jellyfish, Allan Lyngby Lassen, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/darcy-IMG_4739.jpg

Lady Musgrave Blue, Lyle Wang, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/lywang-DSC_0196_resize_png.png

Argentina Glacier, wesley yotugo, CC0
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/wesleyotugo-glacier-530050_1920.jpg

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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:03:55AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> old railroad, nask0, CC-BY-SA
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/nask0-old-train.png

Hmmm. I'd actually like to skip this one, because I really don't want
us to be condoning photography on railroad tracks. It's way more
dangerous than people think, and often illegal.



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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Máirín Duffy]

On 05/17/2017 10:45 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I think it's meant more to be a "greatest hits" than a "dump". I don't
> think we should go back through the back catalog frequently, but every
> couple of years we might want to look at changing things up a bit with
> new entries. (Possibly going from 15 to 18 and not removing older
> ones?)
I didn't mean anything pejorative by 'dump,' apologies if it came off
that way.

If there's 15 if we pick the top 5 (in terms of the votes they
received - we do have that historical data) for each of the past 3
releases that would make it nice and neat. So we could do an update
every 3rd release?

Concretely, I've listed out the full size URLs and metadata for this set
of 15 below. Here is a set of thumbnails showing the whole set:

http://i.imgur.com/0yjzaAP.png

It looks like a nice set to me. What do you think?

Cheers,
~m

Bridge, thiagoandf, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/thiagoandf-_DSC0062_3.png

Bluebird, afsilva, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/afsilva-DSC06105.jpg

Milky Way, European Southern Observatory, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/nonamedotc-Sky.jpg

raindrops, zdenek, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/zdenek-P8171067.png

Himalayan Desert Mountains, rajivranjan, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f26/rajivranjan-Leh.JPG

Droplet On Pebble, skamath, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/skamath-HD-Wallpapers1.jpg

Winter in Bohemia, Helena Bartosova, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/eischmann-zima.png

Matterhorn, Marc Bieler, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/marcolino-Matterhorn.png

Milky way over Mangart mountain, Ales Krivec, CC-BY
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/fredlima-Mangart-nocne-1-20-4-mob.jpg

Grytviken, Andrew England, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f25/englanda-Grytviken.png

Aurora over Iceland, Helena Bartosova, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/eischmann-16.png

Sunrise in Florida II, afsilva, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/afsilva-sunrise_florida_2.png

old railroad, nask0, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/nask0-old-train.png

Jellyfish, Allan Lyngby Lassen, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/darcy-IMG_4739.jpg

Lady Musgrave Blue, Lyle Wang, CC-BY-SA
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/pictures/f24/lywang-DSC_0196_resize_png.png

Cheers,
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 02:14:53PM -, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> The part of the proposal here I'm confused about -
> 
> Is it meant that this would be update every release with the latest batch of 
> Fedora supplemental wallpapers?
> 
> Or, is this meant to be a once-in-a-long-while dump of wallpapers
> that we need to select from the entire back catalog of supplementals?
> 
> How often are wallpapers going to be swapped out?

I think it's meant more to be a "greatest hits" than a "dump". I don't
think we should go back through the back catalog frequently, but every
couple of years we might want to look at changing things up a bit with
new entries. (Possibly going from 15 to 18 and not removing older
ones?)

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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Ryan,

The part of the proposal here I'm confused about -

Is it meant that this would be update every release with the latest batch of 
Fedora supplemental wallpapers?

Or, is this meant to be a once-in-a-long-while dump of wallpapers that we need 
to select from the entire back catalog of supplementals?

How often are wallpapers going to be swapped out?

Cheers,
~m
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

Okies, I have added the wallpapers i suggested here:

https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-supplemental-wallpapers-index/picks.html

Into the package just so i could test it, and there is a scratch build here.

WE are going to have to rush to be able to get this sorted before Freeze,
but if we can get a concensus on which wallpapers to add, i can respin the
package, and try to get it in there.

there is a scratchbuild of the package in progress here:

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=19509039

cheers,
ryanlerch

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, S.Kemter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 Just some notes

 @zoltan we definitely need no new wallpaper package, we have to many
 different packages already

 @matt there is no problem, you just need to know the package name you
 can install older ones still in newer releases.


 at both what Ryan has reached with the WG is already a huge step
 forward. We had several attempts to make our supplemental wallpaper better
 visible. Currently they are not shown in the workingstation by default its
 the old ones from GNOME which is always shown there. You might also think
 that we not just deliver GNOME as other DE as well so you have a lot of
 people sitting on the table when you want to reach a change.

 So what we not need are new ideas like add older default wallpaper,
 what we need is a consens with all the DE people not thinking to much as
 KDE, XFCE or whatever environment as more thinking, whats the best for
 Fedora.

 The optimum would be that each release the package is shown in the
 wallpaper settings but get the GNOME people agree to that is the hard part,
 so Ryans achievement is already a step forward in the right direction. So I
 am happy with it.

 The question is more how we select now the 15, just take the best 3 of
 last 5 releases or make a new election? To make an election and get it
 packaged so we can have that for F26, its just a short time. So working on
 that and not come up with new ideas is more helpful

>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO, the best way would be for the members of the design team to pick
>>> the set. This way we can choose the highest quality images, as well as
>>> ensuring we have a good range of image types, and colors. We don't want to
>>> have all mountain vistas, or ship a set were all the images are primarily
>>> the same color.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> ryanlerch
>>>
>>
>>
>> Just a heads up too,
>>
>> I have created a quick set of images that we might be able to use as a
>> starting off point:
>>
>> https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-supplemental-wallpapers-index/picks.html
>>
>> Additionally, I have the packaging all set up and ready to go if and when
>> we decide to do this
>>
>> https://pagure.io/fedora-design/fedora-workstation-backgrounds
>>
>> --ryanlerch
>>
>
> Any thoughts on this? It would be awesome to get this into the 26 Beta.
>
> --ryanlerch
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

 br gnokii

 Am 27.04.2017 um 07:28 schrieb Ryan Lerch:



 On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Matthew Miller <
 mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:41:05AM +1000, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> >3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a
> new
> >set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental
> wallpapers.
>
>
> What about also including a few of the non-supplimental wallpapers from
> previous releases? I personally really like F24 and F21, and the F17
> fireworks seem almost iconic. Plus, FC5 (although the 3d-button look on
> the logo seems dated.)
>

 IMHO, these wallpapers are tied to the branding of each individual
 release, so
 I would be worried about including these as the standard wallpapers on
 a default
 install. The supplemental wallpapers don't really have the same
 connection to
 an individual release, and since we have a large back catalog of
 approved, properly
 licenced images, this seemed like a good place to base our search on.

 One thing to investigate here, however, is should we look into better
 ways of exposing
 the wallpapers packaged in Fedora to the user? Currently, these
 wallpapers are not shown
 in Software, and the only way to get them is to know the correct
 package name / fedora release
 name to install, and use DNF. They aren't really "software", so not
 sure if they fit in the Software
 app, although we do have Fonts in there, but the experience provided
 there for searching
 for fonts can feel a bit 

[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, S.Kemter  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just some notes
>>>
>>> @zoltan we definitely need no new wallpaper package, we have to many
>>> different packages already
>>>
>>> @matt there is no problem, you just need to know the package name you
>>> can install older ones still in newer releases.
>>>
>>>
>>> at both what Ryan has reached with the WG is already a huge step
>>> forward. We had several attempts to make our supplemental wallpaper better
>>> visible. Currently they are not shown in the workingstation by default its
>>> the old ones from GNOME which is always shown there. You might also think
>>> that we not just deliver GNOME as other DE as well so you have a lot of
>>> people sitting on the table when you want to reach a change.
>>>
>>> So what we not need are new ideas like add older default wallpaper, what
>>> we need is a consens with all the DE people not thinking to much as KDE,
>>> XFCE or whatever environment as more thinking, whats the best for Fedora.
>>>
>>> The optimum would be that each release the package is shown in the
>>> wallpaper settings but get the GNOME people agree to that is the hard part,
>>> so Ryans achievement is already a step forward in the right direction. So I
>>> am happy with it.
>>>
>>> The question is more how we select now the 15, just take the best 3 of
>>> last 5 releases or make a new election? To make an election and get it
>>> packaged so we can have that for F26, its just a short time. So working on
>>> that and not come up with new ideas is more helpful
>>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, the best way would be for the members of the design team to pick
>> the set. This way we can choose the highest quality images, as well as
>> ensuring we have a good range of image types, and colors. We don't want to
>> have all mountain vistas, or ship a set were all the images are primarily
>> the same color.
>>
>> cheers,
>> ryanlerch
>>
>
>
> Just a heads up too,
>
> I have created a quick set of images that we might be able to use as a
> starting off point:
>
> https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-supplemental-wallpapers-index/picks.html
>
> Additionally, I have the packaging all set up and ready to go if and when
> we decide to do this
>
> https://pagure.io/fedora-design/fedora-workstation-backgrounds
>
> --ryanlerch
>

Any thoughts on this? It would be awesome to get this into the 26 Beta.

--ryanlerch


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> br gnokii
>>>
>>> Am 27.04.2017 um 07:28 schrieb Ryan Lerch:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Matthew Miller <
>>> mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:41:05AM +1000, Ryan Lerch wrote:
 >3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a
 new
 >set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental
 wallpapers.


 What about also including a few of the non-supplimental wallpapers from
 previous releases? I personally really like F24 and F21, and the F17
 fireworks seem almost iconic. Plus, FC5 (although the 3d-button look on
 the logo seems dated.)

>>>
>>> IMHO, these wallpapers are tied to the branding of each individual
>>> release, so
>>> I would be worried about including these as the standard wallpapers on a
>>> default
>>> install. The supplemental wallpapers don't really have the same
>>> connection to
>>> an individual release, and since we have a large back catalog of
>>> approved, properly
>>> licenced images, this seemed like a good place to base our search on.
>>>
>>> One thing to investigate here, however, is should we look into better
>>> ways of exposing
>>> the wallpapers packaged in Fedora to the user? Currently, these
>>> wallpapers are not shown
>>> in Software, and the only way to get them is to know the correct package
>>> name / fedora release
>>> name to install, and use DNF. They aren't really "software", so not sure
>>> if they fit in the Software
>>> app, although we do have Fonts in there, but the experience provided
>>> there for searching
>>> for fonts can feel a bit clunky at times too.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> ryanlerch
>>>
>>>


 --
 Matthew Miller
 
 Fedora Project Leader
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>>>
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, S.Kemter  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just some notes
>>
>> @zoltan we definitely need no new wallpaper package, we have to many
>> different packages already
>>
>> @matt there is no problem, you just need to know the package name you can
>> install older ones still in newer releases.
>>
>>
>> at both what Ryan has reached with the WG is already a huge step forward.
>> We had several attempts to make our supplemental wallpaper better visible.
>> Currently they are not shown in the workingstation by default its the old
>> ones from GNOME which is always shown there. You might also think that we
>> not just deliver GNOME as other DE as well so you have a lot of people
>> sitting on the table when you want to reach a change.
>>
>> So what we not need are new ideas like add older default wallpaper, what
>> we need is a consens with all the DE people not thinking to much as KDE,
>> XFCE or whatever environment as more thinking, whats the best for Fedora.
>>
>> The optimum would be that each release the package is shown in the
>> wallpaper settings but get the GNOME people agree to that is the hard part,
>> so Ryans achievement is already a step forward in the right direction. So I
>> am happy with it.
>>
>> The question is more how we select now the 15, just take the best 3 of
>> last 5 releases or make a new election? To make an election and get it
>> packaged so we can have that for F26, its just a short time. So working on
>> that and not come up with new ideas is more helpful
>>
>
>
> IMHO, the best way would be for the members of the design team to pick the
> set. This way we can choose the highest quality images, as well as ensuring
> we have a good range of image types, and colors. We don't want to have all
> mountain vistas, or ship a set were all the images are primarily the same
> color.
>
> cheers,
> ryanlerch
>


Just a heads up too,

I have created a quick set of images that we might be able to use as a
starting off point:

https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-supplemental-wallpapers-index/picks.html

Additionally, I have the packaging all set up and ready to go if and when
we decide to do this

https://pagure.io/fedora-design/fedora-workstation-backgrounds

--ryanlerch



>
>
>
>
>>
>> br gnokii
>>
>> Am 27.04.2017 um 07:28 schrieb Ryan Lerch:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Matthew Miller > > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:41:05AM +1000, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>>> >3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a
>>> new
>>> >set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental
>>> wallpapers.
>>>
>>>
>>> What about also including a few of the non-supplimental wallpapers from
>>> previous releases? I personally really like F24 and F21, and the F17
>>> fireworks seem almost iconic. Plus, FC5 (although the 3d-button look on
>>> the logo seems dated.)
>>>
>>
>> IMHO, these wallpapers are tied to the branding of each individual
>> release, so
>> I would be worried about including these as the standard wallpapers on a
>> default
>> install. The supplemental wallpapers don't really have the same
>> connection to
>> an individual release, and since we have a large back catalog of
>> approved, properly
>> licenced images, this seemed like a good place to base our search on.
>>
>> One thing to investigate here, however, is should we look into better
>> ways of exposing
>> the wallpapers packaged in Fedora to the user? Currently, these
>> wallpapers are not shown
>> in Software, and the only way to get them is to know the correct package
>> name / fedora release
>> name to install, and use DNF. They aren't really "software", so not sure
>> if they fit in the Software
>> app, although we do have Fonts in there, but the experience provided
>> there for searching
>> for fonts can feel a bit clunky at times too.
>>
>> cheers,
>> ryanlerch
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthew Miller
>>> 
>>> Fedora Project Leader
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:30 PM, S.Kemter  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just some notes
>
> @zoltan we definitely need no new wallpaper package, we have to many
> different packages already
>
> @matt there is no problem, you just need to know the package name you can
> install older ones still in newer releases.
>
>
> at both what Ryan has reached with the WG is already a huge step forward.
> We had several attempts to make our supplemental wallpaper better visible.
> Currently they are not shown in the workingstation by default its the old
> ones from GNOME which is always shown there. You might also think that we
> not just deliver GNOME as other DE as well so you have a lot of people
> sitting on the table when you want to reach a change.
>
> So what we not need are new ideas like add older default wallpaper, what
> we need is a consens with all the DE people not thinking to much as KDE,
> XFCE or whatever environment as more thinking, whats the best for Fedora.
>
> The optimum would be that each release the package is shown in the
> wallpaper settings but get the GNOME people agree to that is the hard part,
> so Ryans achievement is already a step forward in the right direction. So I
> am happy with it.
>
> The question is more how we select now the 15, just take the best 3 of
> last 5 releases or make a new election? To make an election and get it
> packaged so we can have that for F26, its just a short time. So working on
> that and not come up with new ideas is more helpful
>


IMHO, the best way would be for the members of the design team to pick the
set. This way we can choose the highest quality images, as well as ensuring
we have a good range of image types, and colors. We don't want to have all
mountain vistas, or ship a set were all the images are primarily the same
color.

cheers,
ryanlerch




>
> br gnokii
>
> Am 27.04.2017 um 07:28 schrieb Ryan Lerch:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Matthew Miller 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:41:05AM +1000, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>> >3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a new
>> >set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental
>> wallpapers.
>>
>>
>> What about also including a few of the non-supplimental wallpapers from
>> previous releases? I personally really like F24 and F21, and the F17
>> fireworks seem almost iconic. Plus, FC5 (although the 3d-button look on
>> the logo seems dated.)
>>
>
> IMHO, these wallpapers are tied to the branding of each individual
> release, so
> I would be worried about including these as the standard wallpapers on a
> default
> install. The supplemental wallpapers don't really have the same connection
> to
> an individual release, and since we have a large back catalog of approved,
> properly
> licenced images, this seemed like a good place to base our search on.
>
> One thing to investigate here, however, is should we look into better ways
> of exposing
> the wallpapers packaged in Fedora to the user? Currently, these wallpapers
> are not shown
> in Software, and the only way to get them is to know the correct package
> name / fedora release
> name to install, and use DNF. They aren't really "software", so not sure
> if they fit in the Software
> app, although we do have Fonts in there, but the experience provided there
> for searching
> for fonts can feel a bit clunky at times too.
>
> cheers,
> ryanlerch
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Miller
>> 
>> Fedora Project Leader
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Zachary Snyder]

I can really get behind this, I think it would be better to leave this as
an optional package download. And just announce that we have such a package
of legacy/retired wallpapers.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Matthew Miller 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:41:05AM +1000, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>> >3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a new
>> >set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental
>> wallpapers.
>>
>>
>> What about also including a few of the non-supplimental wallpapers from
>> previous releases? I personally really like F24 and F21, and the F17
>> fireworks seem almost iconic. Plus, FC5 (although the 3d-button look on
>> the logo seems dated.)
>>
>
> IMHO, these wallpapers are tied to the branding of each individual
> release, so
> I would be worried about including these as the standard wallpapers on a
> default
> install. The supplemental wallpapers don't really have the same connection
> to
> an individual release, and since we have a large back catalog of approved,
> properly
> licenced images, this seemed like a good place to base our search on.
>
> One thing to investigate here, however, is should we look into better ways
> of exposing
> the wallpapers packaged in Fedora to the user? Currently, these wallpapers
> are not shown
> in Software, and the only way to get them is to know the correct package
> name / fedora release
> name to install, and use DNF. They aren't really "software", so not sure
> if they fit in the Software
> app, although we do have Fonts in there, but the experience provided there
> for searching
> for fonts can feel a bit clunky at times too.
>
> cheers,
> ryanlerch
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Miller
>> 
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

On Wed., 26 Apr. 2017 at 11:41 am, Ryan Lerch  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Quite a while ago, i floated an idea in the Workstation working group to
> clean out the older wallpapers that we ship by default in workstation, and
> replace them with a new set of Fedora-specific ones that are chosen from
> all best of the previous Supplemental wallpapers.
>
> NOTE: this will not change THE default wallpaper, which will still be the
> one that the design team works on each release.
>
> THe WG has approved this proposal [1] in the latest WG meeting, and now i
> am bringing this up for disussion here.
>
> Basically, the proposal is to ship just the following as the default
> wallpapers (i.e. what people will see in the Wallpapers tab in the Settings
> GUI) in Fedora Workstation:
>
>
>1. Provide the default Fedora wallpaper for the release, that is
>created for each release by the Fedora Design Team. This will remain the
>default wallpaper as it currently is.
>2. Provide the default wallpaper & lock screen artwork for the
>upstream desktop release (i.e. the default GNOME wallpaper and GNOME
>Lockscreen for the release of GNOME being shipped)
>3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a new
>set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental wallpapers.
>
> Note also, that 15 was chosen to keep the wallpaper chooser tidy, as it
> displays them in rows of 3.
>
> cheers,
>
> ryanlerch
>

Just a heads up too, I have the packaging all set up and ready to go if and
when we decide to do this

https://pagure.io/fedora-design/fedora-workstation-backgrounds

--ryanlerch

>
> [1] - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/12
>
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:41:05AM +1000, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> >3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a new
> >set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental
> wallpapers.
>
>
> What about also including a few of the non-supplimental wallpapers from
> previous releases? I personally really like F24 and F21, and the F17
> fireworks seem almost iconic. Plus, FC5 (although the 3d-button look on
> the logo seems dated.)
>

IMHO, these wallpapers are tied to the branding of each individual release,
so
I would be worried about including these as the standard wallpapers on a
default
install. The supplemental wallpapers don't really have the same connection
to
an individual release, and since we have a large back catalog of approved,
properly
licenced images, this seemed like a good place to base our search on.

One thing to investigate here, however, is should we look into better ways
of exposing
the wallpapers packaged in Fedora to the user? Currently, these wallpapers
are not shown
in Software, and the only way to get them is to know the correct package
name / fedora release
name to install, and use DNF. They aren't really "software", so not sure if
they fit in the Software
app, although we do have Fonts in there, but the experience provided there
for searching
for fonts can feel a bit clunky at times too.

cheers,
ryanlerch


>
>
> --
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> 
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Zoltan Hoppar]

It would be great to have all-time stars wallpapers, winners in a single
package...IMHO.

2017-04-26 19:08 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller :

> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:41:05AM +1000, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> >3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a new
> >set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental
> wallpapers.
>
>
> What about also including a few of the non-supplimental wallpapers from
> previous releases? I personally really like F24 and F21, and the F17
> fireworks seem almost iconic. Plus, FC5 (although the 3d-button look on
> the logo seems dated.)
>
>
> --
> Matthew Miller
> 
> Fedora Project Leader
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[Design-team] Re: Wallpapers included by default in Fedora Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Quite a while ago, i floated an idea in the Workstation working group to
> clean out the older wallpapers that we ship by default in workstation, and
> replace them with a new set of Fedora-specific ones that are chosen from
> all best of the previous Supplemental wallpapers.
>
> NOTE: this will not change THE default wallpaper, which will still be the
> one that the design team works on each release.
>
> THe WG has approved this proposal [1] in the latest WG meeting, and now i
> am bringing this up for disussion here.
>
> Basically, the proposal is to ship just the following as the default
> wallpapers (i.e. what people will see in the Wallpapers tab in the Settings
> GUI) in Fedora Workstation:
>
>
>1. Provide the default Fedora wallpaper for the release, that is
>created for each release by the Fedora Design Team. This will remain the
>default wallpaper as it currently is.
>2. Provide the default wallpaper & lock screen artwork for the
>upstream desktop release (i.e. the default GNOME wallpaper and GNOME
>Lockscreen for the release of GNOME being shipped)
>3. Remove all the other wallpapers we currently ship and create a new
>set of the 15 wallpapers from the previous Fedora supplemental wallpapers.
>
> Note also, that 15 was chosen to keep the wallpaper chooser tidy, as it
> displays them in rows of 3.
>
> cheers,
>
> ryanlerch
>
>
> [1] - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/12
>

Here is a quickpage I just did up to show all the supplemental wallpapers
to date, in one place.

https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-supplemental-wallpapers-index/

cheers,
ryanlerch
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