[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-25 Thread Stefan Essl
@mc-monti: 
I am happy that it finally worked for you!
...and that everything is faster too!

Btw. recently Linus Torvalds made a statement about nvidia...
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Torvalds-zeigt-Nvidia-den-Stinkefinger-1619616.html

best regards from rainy vienna, austria
stefan

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-22 Thread Stefan Essl
don't know if this is really useful, but it shows that the problem is not OS 
dependent.
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=192864

What I read there is that there is an issue about the nvidia card driver and 
the kernel.
So maybe if you just use a generic driver, it could solve your shutdown - 
poweroff problem, but you won#T use the nvidia driver, what could be but maybe 
is not an issue...
But it is just another guess!

...yes of course also other users have an similiar but maybe a slightly
different problem...and as we said before: it worked with 10.04 so it
will with 12.04!

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-22 Thread Stefan Essl
I experienced similiar problems when notebooks (their CPU) are getting hot:
- the machines stuck / freezes and i wasn't able  to do anything.

Machines got hot when the power management didn't work as expected...and
the problem was the ACPI or APM configuration/manipulation in BIOS (if
there was any possibility at all) or in the kernel...and things got
better and started to work with ubuntu 8.04

The great problem is, so do i think, that there are many hardware
vendors, and they all have different components from different
manufacturers and they all have different BIOS Software and not all have
the time to stick to conventions/norms/standards or they don't like the
standardsbut it is really hard to find out, if it is a real hardware
damage or a workaround, with which one could live...

In your case there must be a solution, because it worked with 10.04 LTS, so it 
has to work with 12.04 LTS too.
Maybe there was a certain/extra kernel module in10.04 in use for your notebook, 
which made it work as expected?

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-22 Thread Stefan Essl
@mc-monti: then there is a way how it can work, so we only have to find it!
Are there any energy (ACPI) options in your BIOS, which could be adjusted?

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-22 Thread Stefan Essl
Hi comrades,
   PCs seem to have learnt their lesson ;-)

They shutdown and poower off.
Ctrl-alt-f1 works. also the other consoles work. On some machines with a little 
lag but it works.

@mc-monti: your problem seems to me very hardware-specific. Can you disable 
ACPI in BIOS?
Did you ever had a distro which sut down and power off regularly? If not, it 
will be hard to find a solution, because then it is for sure a 
hardware-specific phenonemon... 

best regards
stefan

p.s.: nice weather in vienna,austria! cloudy and cool 23 deg Celsius.

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-21 Thread Stefan Essl
Last Day - final test after "loaded optimal BIOS defaults":

first of all: YEESSS, they did all shutdown and power off without any
hazzle! Hoooaaayy!!

what and hoe did i test:
starting at 9 a.m. i turned on all 7 PCs and logged in.
9:15 i shutdown the 1st and it did power off.
11:00 2 PCs had firefox running nearly 2 hours and then i shut them down and 
they did power off.
1 p.m  3 PCs had firefox and libreoffice running and then i shut them down and 
they did power off.
3 p.m. 1 PC had firefox and evince running and then i shut it down and they did 
power off.

so no matter how long they ran, it was possible to shut them down via
GUI and they powered off.

This is what they also did with Ubuntu 8.04
So something must have changed and it has to do with the BIOS settings and the 
kernel
but i don#t know what exactly...

Hope you all have a nice day and i hope the PCs have learned their
lessons ;-)

Best regards from vienna, austria with nearly 100 deg. Fahrenheit

stefan

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-20 Thread Stefan Essl
Tested all 7 PCs with the default BIOS Settings:
- all turned off via GUI not logged in => powered off!
- all turned of via GUI logged in and all had an application running (firefox) 
and they were powered on for about an hour  => powered off!

Tomorrow i'll test them again, and hopefully all will power off as they
should!

Maybe this can help anyone with similar problems...

Best regards
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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-20 Thread Stefan Essl
Day 3:
Yesterday I did a BIOS configuration on 2 PCs: I told BIOS to load the 
optimized defaults 
and 
saved (F10) the configuration.
The 2 PCs were the 2 were I tried the laptop-mode-tools, which worked as 
described above...

Now after saving the BIOS settings, I tried today 3 times to shut down and 
power off the PCs and...
SURPRISE it worked!!!

I tried it in the GUI and the first time
- immediatly after login => powered off!
- waiting a little bit and shut down without login  => powered off!
- and last test was: logged in started an application (firefox, libreoffice) 
waited about an hour and then shut down  => powered off!

So 2 PCs now seem to work.
I will try it (BIOS default settings) with the other 5 PCs and will report my 
expierience.

Best regards
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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-19 Thread Stefan Essl
...and the third time I tried to shutdown the PC with laptop-mode-tools
installed, did not power off after shutdown via GUI

so this is a kind of russian roulette? new kernel feature? ;-)

a little bit desperate

stefan

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-19 Thread Stefan Essl
so i googled around again and found the following:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=113985&p=2
I know, another distro another kernel.
But it is quite the same phenonemon.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/4/4/121
is a report about some kernel issue, which maybe could be the cause...

I tried:
laptop-mode-tools weren't installed on my PCs
So I installed it on 2 PCs. 
After restart one powered off after shutdown via GUI the other didn't.

I removed laptop-mode-tools on the PC were it didn't work and restarted:
Now it powered off after shutdown via GUI.

Now I tested shutdown again and one powered off after shutdown via GUI
the other where I installed and removed the laptop-mode-tools did not
power off after shutdown via GUI.

so

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-19 Thread Stefan Essl
First testrun today:
2 PCs never powered off after shut down
- with noapic,nolapic
- without noapic,nolapic
always with sudo su - as root
shutdown -h now

sudo shutdown -h now
didn't power off.

GUI shutdown directly from login screen power off. tested once...

1 PC powered off from GUI shutdown directly from login screen once,
 but tested it again it waited with "power down" line
This one didn't power down with 
sudo shutdown -h now

4 PCs powered off after shutdown via 
sudo shutdown -h now

but didn't shut down as root with
shutdown -h now
and also not in runlevel 1...

So it seems to me that if I'm lucky it powers off...
this can't be real...

thinking and hoping for solution
stefan

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-18 Thread Stefan Essl
...too early...
4 PCs stuckk at power down
:-(

tomorrow i'll be after it again...

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-18 Thread Stefan Essl
so all 7 PCs power off finally!

SOLUTION (in my case): upgrade to new kernel 3.2.0.25
[see last post]

Thanks to all error-reporting people, so problems can get solved!

Happy day and a long life!
stefan

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-18 Thread Stefan Essl
upgraded two systems:
 :~$ sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

After restart shutdown as user worked with final power down!

Now I have kernel 
3.2.0.25

Upgraded without any issuses!

I'll try the other PCs and tell you if it also worked...

best wishes
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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-18 Thread Stefan Essl
...also no poweroff after shutdown -h now in runlevel 1! 
kernel issue?

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-18 Thread Stefan Essl
...on next reboot I tried turn off again as root, but then it didn't
work

this is not funny...it reminds me on another OS I've used to struggle with on 
decade, and I'm happy that I nearly have anything to do with it!
...and of course I'll never be using that again! LINUX 4ever!

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[Bug 987220] Re: System does not power off reliably when "Shut Down" chosen from GUI

2012-06-18 Thread Stefan Essl
I've installed Linux Mint 13 (Maya) Ubuntu 12.04 based on 6 PCs for
educational purpose.

Shutdown via GUI does not work at all. The PCs remain powered on, but no
input is possible

I tried to turn them off on a console but only one manages to power off after 
:~$ sudo shutdown -h now:~$
but not always...

The others show the line
   [876.9876] Power down.
forever until i turn them off manually

After googling around I've found the kernel parameters
  noapic nolapic acpi=off
...but it didn't change the problem really, sometimes it worked, sometimes 
not...

Then I read the posting from 
  plum7500 (plum01) wrote on 2012-06-13: 
and i tried:
:~$ sudo su -
:~# shutdown -h now 

I use kernel 3.2.023
The PCs have nvidia cards...could this be the problem?

I tried to switch from "nvidia current" to "nvidia current-updates" on one PC:
After restart i tried to turn off via GUI and it did not power down...
I tried again as root on the console, the PC had noapic and nolapic options as 
kernel parameters:
Ctrl-Alt-F1 => console
loggedin as user
:~$ sudo su -
:~# shutdown -h now 
...and it did shutdown
 

All PCs used to power off since Ubuntu 8.04 what can I do? BIOS ACPI
settings?

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