[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 Title: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-volume-manager/+bug/146918/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: gnome-panel (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 Title: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-volume-manager/+bug/146918/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: gnome-volume-manager Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 Title: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-volume-manager/+bug/146918/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
system-config-printer's applet will be deprecated in 12.04. ** Changed in: system-config-printer (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 Title: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-volume-manager/+bug/146918/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: libcanberra Importance: Unknown => Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 Title: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: libcanberra Importance: Medium => Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 Title: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: gnome-volume-manager Status: Invalid => Confirmed ** Changed in: gnome-volume-manager Importance: Unknown => Wishlist -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: network-manager Importance: Unknown => Medium -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Gnome-settings-daemon got fixed and bluez-gnome got demoted. Seems like the list has been cleared! Marking bug as fixed. Really confusing bug! ;-) ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: In Progress => Fix Released -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
This has become a huge metabug! Is there any description that hasnt been updated yet. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: lucid-round-2 => maverick-round-4-potpourri -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
bluez-gnome has been demoted. so no need to fix. ** Changed in: bluez-gnome (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: bluez-gnome (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/gnome-settings-daemon -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-settings-daemon - 2.29.92-0ubuntu2 --- gnome-settings-daemon (2.29.92-0ubuntu2) lucid; urgency=low * debian/patches/07_dont_display_autostart.patch: - don't show the gnome-settings-daemon autostart in the session capplet, the description is confusing and it's a required component (lp: #146918) * debian/patches/92_keyboard_settings_update.patch: - upstream change to apply xkb settings to newly connected keyboards (lp: #427168) -- Sebastien BacherWed, 10 Mar 2010 00:15:32 +0100 ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Confirming based on long discussions here. ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Confirming based on long discussions here. ** Changed in: bluez-gnome (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
The suggestion in comment #44 for the Print Queue Applet is also IMHO a vast improvement over the status quo. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
That sounds like a reasonable plan; there could hardly be a situation where a user would want to disable it, and still have a working Gnome desktop? -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
We could just add "NoDisplay=true" to the gnome-settings-daemon desktop file, and hide it completely from the capplet :-) -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
gnome-settings-daemon: like I write in my comments above, my understanding of its role is probably flawed and/or incomplete, but based on the suggestions in comment #43 and comment #44 and my critique of these, I'd propose something like "Manage GNOME system configuration" or maybe "GNOME system configuration back-end". Perhaps these are too technical, still. (And the "manage" verb is a bit of a red flag, but then I guess so is "back-end".) -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Do you have any gnome-settings-daemon description suggestion? -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Seahorse seems to be gone from Startup Applications now. Setting the task for seahorse to "Invalid". ** Changed in: seahorse (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Invalid -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Tracker seems to be gone from the Startup Applications dialog. Setting the task for tracker to "Invalid". ** Changed in: tracker (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Invalid -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Reopening for hundredpapercuts; could you please at the very least add a description for the GNOME Settings Daemon, and maybe take out the "if enabled" in Personal File Sharing. Also the Bluetooth Manager could reasonably fit within the scope of this paper cut, if somebody comes up with a good description of what it does. (I like the suggestions in comment #43 and comment #44.) ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Fix Released => In Progress -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Also, there are still Capitalization Issues. Should the applications be Title Case? Should the descriptions be regular prose? You see all kinds of variants, still. > (Incidentally, it takes several minutes to boot up!) Sorry, not really pertinent here, and it was acceptably fast compared to the latest daily build, which was what I tried first, and which caused me to write this comments in the first place. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
I downloaded http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3/lucid- desktop-i386.iso and booted it in Virtualbox. (Incidentally, it takes several minutes to boot up!) I inspected the dialog System > Preferences > Startup Applications and found the following issues to be still open: * Bluetooth Manager is still kind of vacuous * Certificate and Key Storage has a very technical description * Disk Notifications is ... unobvious. What does it actually do? * GNOME Settings Daemon doesn't have a description, still * Power kind of irks me, although it's not obvious how to improve it * Print Queue Applet is still kind of riddled with jargon * Update Notifier should IMHO mention that it checks for system software updates * User folders update could still benefit from a somehow less obscure description The following issues are new, and it's not obvious to me that they belong in this bug in particular. * Certificate and Key Storage is not consistent with the other Gnome Keyring stuff * Unchecked items are greyed, as if you couldn't enable them (in fact you can) * Gwibber is unchecked by default * "if enabled" is kind of superfluous in the description of Personal File Sharing Below is an ASCII art rendition of the dialog box in Lucid Alpha 3. * Bluetooth Manager Bluetooth Manager applet * Certificate and Key Storage GNOME Keyring: PKCS#11 Component * Check for new hardware drivers Notify about new hardware drivers ava... * Disk Notifications Provides notifications related to disks * Evolution Alarm Notifier Ensures that alarms set in Evolution go... ---more--- * GNOME Login Sound Plays a sound whenever you log in * GNOME Settings Daemon No description ? Gwibber Microblogging Client for GNOME * Network Manager Control your network connections * Personal File Sharing Launch Personal File Sharing if enabled ---more--- * Power Power management daemon * Print Queue Applet System tray icon for managing print jobs * PulseAudio Sound System Start the PulseAudio Sound System * Remote Desktop GNOME Remote Desktop Server ---more--- * Secret Storage Service GNOME Keyring: Secret Service * SSH Key Agent GNOME Keyring: SSH Agent * Update Notifier Check for available updates automatic... * User folders update Update common folders names to mat... * Visual Assistance Start the preferred visual assistive tec... -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
This bug is a huge meta-bug. >From what i can check , the apps in the default setup have been updated. Hence >marking it as fix released for papercuts task. Have I missed any? ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: In Progress => Fix Released -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/evolution -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/gnome-session -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/gnome-control-center -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-session - 2.28.0-0ubuntu9 --- gnome-session (2.28.0-0ubuntu9) lucid; urgency=low * debian/gnome-session.install, debian/gnome-session-bin.install: - don't install the gnome-settings-daemon helper which sets a gtk1 variable since that gtk version is deprecated for some cycles * debian/patches/91_git_change_correct_capplet_update.patch: - git update to fix changes not being stored by the session capplet sometime (lp: #444993) * debian/gnome-session.preinst: - clean deprecated autostart conffiles on upgrade (lp: #146918,#457104) -- Sebastien BacherTue, 26 Jan 2010 15:59:42 +0100 ** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Status: New => Fix Released -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Old "Update Notifier" description was "Update notification daemon" In Lucid , it is > "Check for available updates automatically" Which is what the daemon currently does, it just checks. I believe we can mark this fix released. Also , is there any progress from others who have been assigned to the respective packages? Bug seems to have stalled for a long time ** Changed in: update-notifier (Ubuntu) Status: New => Fix Released -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/libcanberra -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/update-notifier -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: round-2 => r2 -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) Assignee: Ted Gould (ted) => (unassigned) -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
"Indicator applet" - "Updates existing panel configurations to add the applet" Is a better description , But i-a item should *not* be present in the startup list , since it does not have anything to do with starting i-a every time the user logs in. So , Sebastien is currently figuring a way to have it removed from the startup list while preserving the functions it presently does... Let's hope he has some spare time before Karmic ;) @era : see this file for how it works > /usr/share/gnome-panel/add-indicator-applet.py -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
... on the other hand, if it is only useful when it first runs, and indications remain active even if you uncheck it in Startup Programs, that I think is a bug in its own right. Did I understand correctly that this is in fact how it works? -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:05 +, "Sebastien Bacher" wrote: > the code is a small script run to add the indicator applet to the gnome- > panel configuration after upgrades, it's useful only once but there is > no easy way to mask it from the list there So it is indeed the Growl-ish thing which shows balloons for various types of system events? There are some rather wild guesses for what to put in the description in earlier messages in this bug report, but this is what I thought as well. Anyway, as per the quoted comment, the startup item doesn't "configure" this, just adds it to the panel; so the description should be more along the lines of "enable notification pop-ups", I guess. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
>> "Indicator applet" - "Configure notifications for system" > Do you genuinely understand what this one does? Could you point to some documentation? Is this the new notification thingamajig? Why does it require a separate startup process in order to add something to the panel, anyway? the code is a small script run to add the indicator applet to the gnome- panel configuration after upgrades, it's useful only once but there is no easy way to mask it from the list there -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
@Chris Coulson: somebody who understands what gnome-settings-daemon and its "helper" do should improve the _Comment field (or add if missing) in their .desktop files. See e.g. comment #21 for a slightly more detailed problem analysis and comment #43 and the following ones for a draft proposal. Some comments of mine in comment #47 might be useful as guidance for the person authoring the descriptions. To my current understanding, gnome-settings-daemon is the thing which communicates between gconf and individual gconf clients. What role the "helper" plays in this I don't know. To reiterate remarks from comment #21, is it really absolutely necessary for there to be two different components in the Startup Applications dialog? It would seem like an improvement both for usability and functional purposes to have a single entry there; if it needs to start two processes behind the scenes then so be it, but that should probably not be exposed to the user in this fashion (assuming that it does not really make much sense to run the daemon without the helper, or vice versa); but please understand that my mental model of this is probably less than adequate. ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => New -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
What needs doing here for gnome-settings-daemon then? ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: Martin Albisetti (beuno) => (unassigned) -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: gnome-volume-manager Status: Confirmed => Invalid -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
era, the confusion between Fix Committed and Fix Released in Ubuntu vs. other projects is covered by bug 163694. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
This bug was fixed in the package libcanberra - 0.15-0ubuntu3 --- libcanberra (0.15-0ubuntu3) karmic; urgency=low * debian/patches/0002-add-description-to-autostart-file.patch: Add comment to desktop file used for playing the GNOME login sound, taken from git master. Thanks to Andrew Higginson for the work. (LP: #146918) -- Luke YelavichTue, 18 Aug 2009 15:01:14 +1000 ** Changed in: libcanberra (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress => Fix Released -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:20 +, "rugby471" wrote: > ** Changed in: libcanberra >Status: Confirmed => Fix Released Should't this be "Fix Committed" until it is actually available in an official release? /* era */ -- If this were a real .signature, it would suck less. Well, maybe not. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Reopening for update-notifier as per comment #54 (see also comment #56). Please feel free to change back to Fix Released if you disagree, obviously. ** Changed in: update-notifier (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released => New ** Changed in: update-notifier (Ubuntu) Assignee: Michael Vogt (mvo) => (unassigned) -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: libcanberra Status: Confirmed => Fix Released ** Also affects: libcanberra (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: libcanberra (Ubuntu) Status: New => In Progress -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: libcanberra Status: In Progress => Confirmed -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #23341 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23341 ** Changed in: libcanberra Importance: Undecided => Unknown ** Changed in: libcanberra Status: In Progress => Unknown ** Changed in: libcanberra Remote watch: None => freedesktop.org Bugzilla #23341 ** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #23341 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23341 ** Changed in: libcanberra Status: Unknown => In Progress -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Also affects: libcanberra Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: libcanberra Status: New => In Progress -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
@Michael Vogt, others: do you agree with my criticism of the update- notifier patch? I'd reopen this bug for update-notifier but I don't want to be (overtly :-) obnoxious. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Confirmed => In Progress -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: gnome-panel (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Actually , Update notifier is no longer a valid name. Since the updates behavior has been changed since Jaunty. So renaming the update-notifier daemon > update-manager daemon would be better. Since its now working just as an update manger daemon, and there is no other specific notifier. I'v opened a separate bug for this renaming> Bug #399591 If it is renamed then the description would be > "Checks and displays updates on availability" -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
I'm not entirely happy with the new description for Update Notifier: "Check for available updates automatically". The wording is somewhat verbose (why would it check for unavailable updates, and how? Why is this "automatically"? I think I kind of know why you put it there, but is it really necessary?) but above all, if you don't know what sorts of updates, how would you find out? Both of the proposals above are IMHO more informative. Martin Albisetti wrote on 2009-07-02: > "Update notifier" - "Notifies you of system updates" Andruk wrote on 2009-07-02: > "Update notifier" - "Notify about application updates" "Check for software updates from Ubuntu and other software sources", though a bit long, might approach some sort of synthesis. Although I criticize the details of his wording, I think Michael Vogt's proposal captures the essence of the discussion so far; describe what functionality will stop working if you uncheck it. After all, that's what this dialog box is meant for. Hence, perhaps Bluetooth Manager could be something like "Discover Bluetooth devices within range" and Network Manager perhaps something along the lines of "Discover and connect to networks" (by implication, Internet connections; perhaps that could somehow be worked into the description still). -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
This bug was fixed in the package update-notifier - 0.86 --- update-notifier (0.86) karmic; urgency=low [ Sebastien Bacher ] * debian/rules: - build using --as-needed to reduce the depends [ Dustin Kirkland ] * debian/update-notifier-common.dirs: update-notifier-common needs /etc/update-motd.d, rather than /etc/update-motd.d/hourly; causes this directory to *not* be removed on update-motd package removal/upgrade [ Michael Vogt ] * src/update-notifier.c: - if display can not be opened, show a propper error message and do not crash (LP: #317745) * src/apt_check.py: - count security updates correctly even when they are "shadowed" by a regular update (LP: #394958) - fix typo (thanks to Hew McLachlan) * data/update-motd-updates-available, debian/99update-notifier: - move updates available from /var/run to /var/lib/update-notifier to make it persistent over reboots * src/update-notifier.c: - make the timeout for no-activity from apt bigger (LP: #274001) * data/update-notifier.desktop.in: - better description for the auto startup (LP: #146918) * src/update-notifier.c: - use GAppInfo/GAppLaunchContext to provide startup notification support (LP: #46258) -- Michael VogtTue, 14 Jul 2009 16:50:46 +0200 ** Changed in: update-notifier (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
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[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: update-notifier (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
@Mark Steadman: Open -> Opens a document is more correct, Because the "Open" verb needs to be treated as a noun , since we are describing the verb. But there is *no* Open in the Startup Applications, rather only names of apps/daemons. Also simply expanding a name> Long name , wouldnt be a description. @Scott Ritchie: Maybe: SeaHorse> "Manages encryption keys and keyrings" http://live.gnome.org/Seahorse -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
@Mark Steadman: Open -> Opens a document is more correct, Because the "Open" verb needs to be treated as a noun , since we are describing the verb. But there is *no* Open in the Startup Applications, rather only names of apps/daemons. Also simply expanding a name> Long name , wouldnt be a description. @Scott Ritchie: Maybe: SeaHorse> "Manages encryption keys" -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
What does the seahorse daemon actually do here? Is this the program that prompts me and remembers my GPG key for 10 minutes when I enter it into thunderbird enigmail? If so, I'd suggest something like "Remembers unlocked encryption keys for limited time" ** Changed in: seahorse (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: seahorse (Ubuntu) Status: New => Triaged -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
In general names in menus are either nouns(OpenOffice, Mozilla Firefox, etc.) or verbs in the imperative case (Open, Save, Uninstall foo, Add/Remove Programs, etc.). The question is should the description be a longer name for the action (Open -> Open a Document [longer name for open]) or a description of the action (Open -> Opens a document [description]), since expansions do both? If you decide on a name like "GNOME Login Sound" it makes sense to provide a description in the descriptive case "Plays the login sound." Since it makes sense to have a name/description pair in order to be consistent one should have also a verb/description. The other option would be short name/long name where the long name would make it clear what it does (Mozilla Firefox/Mozilla Firefox Internet Browser).b -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
era gives a good explanation of why these descriptions should not use imperative case. There is nothing you have to do here; the purpose of the description is merely to explain why the program is running in the first place. So for example, a good description for "GNOME login sound" would be "Plays a sound whenever you log in". And a good description for "Indicator applet" would be "Provides quick access to messages received in Evolution or Pidgin". One guide to whether you're on the right track: the first word of the description should usually be a verb that ends in the letter "s". -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
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[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Thanks for pitching in here! Allow me to comment on a few of your suggestions, though. As a general comment, these are applications which are started when your session is initiated. Many of them are infrastructure, daemon-type programs which do not directly expose a user interface. Therefore I find it slightly problematic to describe them in terms of "what the user can do". > "GNOME accessibility" - "Arrange alternative interaction devices" I'd also be hesitant to coin new names for existing components. Users who know what AT-SPI is might be annoyed to find it renamed to something novel. In order to cover this legacy issue, at a minimum I'd like to keep the old name in the description somewhere. How about "GNOME AT-SPI Accessibility" - "Enable alternative input and output devices" > "Evolution alarm notifier" - "Configure advanced alarm clock features" (is this correct?) I think they fixed this one already; the current one is IMHO clearer and more correct. > "GNOME keyring" - "Manage authentication for your GPG encryption keys" I'm at loss to the relationship between Seahorse and the GNOME Keyring. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Keyring says Seahorse should replace the old keyring altogether. If that's the case, it will handle both SSH and GPG keys. In any event, this component does "manage" them from the system's perspective, but it's more of a daemon for interconnecting the key store with applications, if I understand any of this at all. Maybe this description is fine; I'm just thinking out loud here. > "GNOME login sound" - "Configure system sounds" To the best of my understanding, this one merely plays the sound; you configure it elsewhere. "GNOME Login Sound" - "Play the login chime" > "GNOME settings" - "Manage computer configurations" >"GNOME settings helper" - "Automatically manage computer configurations" (is this correct?) I'm sorry, I'm not really comfortable with this. I don't understand this (see my comments above) but in any event, I believe this manages only the core GNOME configuration, i.e. basically what you can manipulate with gconftool. Most of what users want to configure is handled elsewhere. > "GNOME splash screen" - "Change startup screen graphics" Again, like with the login sound, this one just executes, doesn't configure. > "Indicator applet" - "Configure notifications for system" Do you genuinely understand what this one does? Could you point to some documentation? Is this the new notification thingamajig? Why does it require a separate startup process in order to add something to the panel, anyway? > "Network manager" - "Connect to a computer network" > "Power manager" - "Change power settings" Again, these run a service which enable you to do these things, but do not directly expose a user interface. Maybe I'm too picky; maybe these are fine. Finally, I vaguely think the Name field should perhaps be in Title Case, like most of the existing entries. Thanks again for coming up with a good proposal. These are all minor nits for the most part. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Hi,
Martin Albisetti:
> "GNOME accessibility" - "System accessibility process"
> "Bluetooth manager" - "Manages your bluetooth connections"
> "Evolution alarm notifier" - "Allows alarms set in Evolution to work"
[etc.] Shouldn't you use the imperative here? I.e. "Manage your ...",
"Allow alarms ...", etc.
> "Find new hardware drivers" - "Notifies you about new hardware driver"
Umm, IMHO the important part is to _install_ drivers for your new
hardware, so that's what it should say.
> "GNOME settings daemon" - "System process used to manage configurations"
s/used to manage/for managing/ ?
> "Network manager" - "Network management"
> "Power manager" - "Power management"
That doesn't convey any additional information. :-/
> "Tracker applet" - "System icon that displays indexing activity"
Why not simply "display indexing activity"?
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Re: [Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Andruk wrote: > I think this is better, but I still don't like how some descriptions > describe what the process does while others are simply the same words > in the name rearranged while others describe the process itself. > Also, get rid of the word 'daemon' - it means nothing to people who > view their computer as a tool to get work done (read: a large subset > of our presumed target users) and people who know what a daemon is can > figure it out even if it isn't explicitly indicated. > > This is what I came up with in a few minutes at work on a Windows > machine (so I couldn't check a few things, noted above). I'm still > quite a newbie, so please correct me at every opportunity. I am still > unsure about passive voice. > > "GNOME accessibility" - "Arrange alternative interaction devices" > "Bluetooth manager" - "Connect and configure bluetooth devices" > "Driver update" - "Configure hardware drivers" > "Evolution alarm notifier" - "Configure advanced alarm clock features" > (is this correct?) > "GNOME keyring" - "Manage authentication for your GPG encryption keys" > "GNOME login sound" - "Configure system sounds" > "GNOME settings" - "Manage computer configurations" > "GNOME settings helper" - "Automatically manage computer > configurations" (is this correct?) > "GNOME splash screen" - "Change startup screen graphics" > "Indicator applet" - "Configure notifications for system" > "Network manager" - "Connect to a computer network" > "Power manager" - "Change power settings" > "Print queue applet" - "Show printer status" > "Sound session management" - "Manage sound system options" (should > this be "manager" rather than "management"?) > "Remote desktop" - "Allow others to connect to your desktop from a network" > "Seahorse keyring manager" - "Configure secure-shell (SSH) > authentication options" > "Tracker" - "Search and index files and folders" > "Tracker applet" - "Show indexing activity" > "Update notifier" - "Notify about application updates" > "User folders update" - "Keep default folder names localized" > "Visual assistance" - "Help for visually impaired users" > > Thanks for caring so much about UI. > -- andruk > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Martin Albisetti wrote: > >> How's this? >> >> "GNOME accessibility" - "System accessibility process" >> "Bluetooth manager" - "Manages your bluetooth connections" >> "Find new hardware drivers" - "Notifies you about new hardware driver" >> "Evolution alarm notifier" - "Allows alarms set in Evolution to work" >> "GNOME keyring daemon" - "Manages authentication for your GPG keys" >> "GNOME login sound" - "Plays a sounds on startup" >> "GNOME settings daemon" - "System process used to manage configurations" >> "GNOME settings daemon Helper" - "System process used to manage >> configurations" >> "GNOME splash screen" - "Startup screen graphics" >> "Indicator applet" - "Displays information about various core applications" >> "Network manager" - "Network management" >> "Power manager" - "Power management" >> "Print queue applet" - "System icon that displays printer queue" >> "Sound session management" - "Manages Pulseaudio sound sessions" >> "Remote desktop" - "Allow others to connect remotely to your desktop" >> "Seahorse daemon" - "Manages SSH key authentication" >> "Tracker" - "Search and indexing service" >> "Tracker applet" - "System icon that displays indexing activity" >> "Update notifier" - "Notifies you of system updates" >> "User folders update" - "Keeps default folder names localized" >> "Visual assistance" - "Preferred visual assistive application" >> >> -- >> Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 >> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber >> of the bug. >> >> > > you can go on Ubuntu Brainstorm and submit your idea for program descriptions, it might get implemented in the new release... -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
I think this is better, but I still don't like how some descriptions describe what the process does while others are simply the same words in the name rearranged while others describe the process itself. Also, get rid of the word 'daemon' - it means nothing to people who view their computer as a tool to get work done (read: a large subset of our presumed target users) and people who know what a daemon is can figure it out even if it isn't explicitly indicated. This is what I came up with in a few minutes at work on a Windows machine (so I couldn't check a few things, noted above). I'm still quite a newbie, so please correct me at every opportunity. I am still unsure about passive voice. "GNOME accessibility" - "Arrange alternative interaction devices" "Bluetooth manager" - "Connect and configure bluetooth devices" "Driver update" - "Configure hardware drivers" "Evolution alarm notifier" - "Configure advanced alarm clock features" (is this correct?) "GNOME keyring" - "Manage authentication for your GPG encryption keys" "GNOME login sound" - "Configure system sounds" "GNOME settings" - "Manage computer configurations" "GNOME settings helper" - "Automatically manage computer configurations" (is this correct?) "GNOME splash screen" - "Change startup screen graphics" "Indicator applet" - "Configure notifications for system" "Network manager" - "Connect to a computer network" "Power manager" - "Change power settings" "Print queue applet" - "Show printer status" "Sound session management" - "Manage sound system options" (should this be "manager" rather than "management"?) "Remote desktop" - "Allow others to connect to your desktop from a network" "Seahorse keyring manager" - "Configure secure-shell (SSH) authentication options" "Tracker" - "Search and index files and folders" "Tracker applet" - "Show indexing activity" "Update notifier" - "Notify about application updates" "User folders update" - "Keep default folder names localized" "Visual assistance" - "Help for visually impaired users" Thanks for caring so much about UI. -- andruk On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Martin Albisetti wrote: > How's this? > > "GNOME accessibility" - "System accessibility process" > "Bluetooth manager" - "Manages your bluetooth connections" > "Find new hardware drivers" - "Notifies you about new hardware driver" > "Evolution alarm notifier" - "Allows alarms set in Evolution to work" > "GNOME keyring daemon" - "Manages authentication for your GPG keys" > "GNOME login sound" - "Plays a sounds on startup" > "GNOME settings daemon" - "System process used to manage configurations" > "GNOME settings daemon Helper" - "System process used to manage > configurations" > "GNOME splash screen" - "Startup screen graphics" > "Indicator applet" - "Displays information about various core applications" > "Network manager" - "Network management" > "Power manager" - "Power management" > "Print queue applet" - "System icon that displays printer queue" > "Sound session management" - "Manages Pulseaudio sound sessions" > "Remote desktop" - "Allow others to connect remotely to your desktop" > "Seahorse daemon" - "Manages SSH key authentication" > "Tracker" - "Search and indexing service" > "Tracker applet" - "System icon that displays indexing activity" > "Update notifier" - "Notifies you of system updates" > "User folders update" - "Keeps default folder names localized" > "Visual assistance" - "Preferred visual assistive application" > > -- > Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
How's this? "GNOME accessibility" - "System accessibility process" "Bluetooth manager" - "Manages your bluetooth connections" "Find new hardware drivers" - "Notifies you about new hardware driver" "Evolution alarm notifier" - "Allows alarms set in Evolution to work" "GNOME keyring daemon" - "Manages authentication for your GPG keys" "GNOME login sound" - "Plays a sounds on startup" "GNOME settings daemon" - "System process used to manage configurations" "GNOME settings daemon Helper" - "System process used to manage configurations" "GNOME splash screen" - "Startup screen graphics" "Indicator applet" - "Displays information about various core applications" "Network manager" - "Network management" "Power manager" - "Power management" "Print queue applet" - "System icon that displays printer queue" "Sound session management" - "Manages Pulseaudio sound sessions" "Remote desktop" - "Allow others to connect remotely to your desktop" "Seahorse daemon" - "Manages SSH key authentication" "Tracker" - "Search and indexing service" "Tracker applet" - "System icon that displays indexing activity" "Update notifier" - "Notifies you of system updates" "User folders update" - "Keeps default folder names localized" "Visual assistance" - "Preferred visual assistive application" -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
I'll try to tackle this and suggest tooltips for these applications. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: (unassigned) => Martin Albisetti (beuno) -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
the bug needs suggestions from english speakers about better wording -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
> It's a completely trivial fix anyway. Immediately perfect and improve the things you can that's not so clear, the software is not installed by default so it would not benefit lot of users but it would break all the translations so would be a disfavor to all the non-english users -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
> It's a completely trivial fix anyway. Immediately perfect and improve the things you can that's not so clear, the software is not installed by default so it would not benefit lot of users but it would break all the translations so would be a disfavor to all the non-english users -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
I think that as long as it's included and used in Ubuntu, we should fix it. It's a completely trivial fix anyway. Immediately perfect and improve the things you can, work carefully and thoughtfully on the things you can't. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:10 PM, era wrote: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515200#c5 suggests it may be moot > to attempt to fix > Gnome Volume Manager's description at this point. > > -- > Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515200#c5 suggests it may be moot to attempt to fix Gnome Volume Manager's description at this point. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
@Marcel Stimberg: Sounds like a good plan. However, in the end game, it's the upstream maintainers' call whether or not they agree; but we could well submit patches and refer to these principles. (I don't suppose Ubuntu is going to be prepared to deviate from upstream just to fix this.) Perhaps a patch to the GNOME HIG policy should be proposed as well? If this is turned into GNOME policy it ought to be trivial to get patches approved for the individual applications. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
@era: > I note the inconsistent capitalization and use of passive / active voice etc. > Perhaps we should seek a consensus on how these should be unified. Maybe the Gnome HIG for application tooltips should be applied here as well? Quoting 2.1.2 from http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/desktop-application-menu.html.en: > Provide a tooltip for each Application menu item you add, following these > guidelines: >* Phrase the tooltip as an imperative verb, for example "design", "write" > or "check". >* Describe the most important tasks users can accomplish with your > application. >* While tooltips should not be verbose, they should be longer and more > descriptive than the item's name. > Examples: > Character Map Insert special characters into documents > Memprof Check your applications for memory leaks > Same GnomeArrange long chains of similarly-colored balls to eliminate them > Gnome Batalla Naval ClientFind and sink enemy ships in this networked > version of Battleship -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: None => round-2 -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:52 +, "David Siegel" wrote: > What a fantastic paper cut! Thanks (-: /* era */ -- If this were a real .signature, it would suck less. Well, maybe not. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
What a fantastic paper cut! ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New => Confirmed -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
I'm only noting those which are not already noted and/or fixed. > "Check for new hardware driv..." - "Notify about new hardware driver..." Perhaps the Jockey team would like to consider a shorter name field if the window size is not going to be changed. > "GNOME Keyring Daemon" - No description They took out the "Wrapper" but didn't fix the rest? Also I guess Daemon isn't very newbie-friendly, although i don't particularly want to see that changed personally. What's more bothersome is the concept of a keyring. What is it? Is this like PGP keys or SSH keys, or both, or what? > "Indicator applet" - No description Really vague. The real meat is /usr/share/gnome-panel/add-indicator- applet.py which is in the gnome-panel package. Adding as "New". > "Seahorse Daemon" - No description No idea what this does. Adding package seahorse as "New". > "User folders update" - "Update common folders names to..." If you expand the window, the description is actually fairly good. In case somebody still wants to look into this, the package is xdg-user- dirs-gtk (sic) ** Also affects: gnome-panel (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: seahorse (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
Here's the current contents as of a fresh install of Jaunty. I'm leaving in the truncation I see on a 800x600 display, although that is really a separate bug (LP#278964 would have been topical, but was closed when the resize problem was fixed). "AT SPI Registry Wrapper" - No description "Bluetooth Manager" - "Bluetooth Manager applet" "Check for new hardware driv..." - "Notify about new hardware driver..." "Evolution Alarm Notifier" - "Ensures that alarms set in Evoluti..." "GNOME Keyring Daemon" - No description "GNOME Login Sound" - No description "GNOME Settings Daemon" - No description "GNOME Settings Daemon Hel..." - No description "GNOME Splash Screen" - No description "Indicator applet" - No description "Network Manager" - "Control your network connections" "Power Manager" - "Power management daemon" "Print Queue Applet" - "System tray icon for managing pri..." "PulseAudio Session Manage..." - "Load module-x11-xsmp into Pulse..." "Remote Desktop" - "GNOME Remote Desktop Server" "Seahorse Daemon" - No description "Tracker" - "Tracker search and indexing service" "Tracker Applet" - "Control and monitor the Tracker s" "Update Notifier" - "Update notification daemon" "User folders update" - "Update common folders names to..." "Visual Assistance" - "Start the preferred visual assistiv ..." I note the inconsistent capitalization and use of passive / active voice etc. Perhaps we should seek a consensus on how these should be unified. -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 146918] Re: Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window
** Summary changed: - poor descriptions for some startup programs + Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window -- Poor descriptions for some applications in Startup Programs window https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146918 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
