[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-23 Thread Jakob Unterwurzacher
The ntfs-3g bug is fixed - see Comment 18. Marking as fix released.
The nautilus/gvfs/glib problems are tracked in Bug #215499.

** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

** Changed in: ntfs-3g (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Fix Released

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-23 Thread Jakob Unterwurzacher
** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 215499
   Nautilus not preserving timestamps

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-23 Thread Drew
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

continued: attached is a copy of the same folder.
Note all the date/times have been altered.
Copied using copy/paste in Nautilus.
Folder and copy are both in the same fat32 drive (not a USB).

Thanks.

** Attachment added: "Screenshot-frameset (copy) - File Browser.png"
   
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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-23 Thread Drew
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

Thank you for taking this seriously.
here's my versions:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0
libglib2.0-0:
  Installed: 2.16.3-1ubuntu3
  Candidate: 2.16.3-1ubuntu3
  Version table:
 *** 2.16.3-1ubuntu3 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 2.16.3-1ubuntu2 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages
 2.16.3-1 0
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
And here's the original of a folder contents (see next post for copy)



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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-23 Thread Jakob Unterwurzacher
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

I just tested with a FAT32 USB MP3 player. Timestamps are preserved here, 
please see the screenshot.
Please post the output of apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0.
Mine:
$ apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0
libglib2.0-0:
  Installiert:2.16.3-1ubuntu3
  Mögliche Pakete:2.16.3-1ubuntu3
  Versions-Tabelle:
 *** 2.16.3-1ubuntu3 0
400 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 2.16.3-1ubuntu2 0
900 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Packages
 2.16.3-1 0
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-23 Thread Drew
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

That doesn't work, either. :(

I'd say, thanks for those who have made progress on this issue, but am
worried by the optimism above:

** .. this bug is fixed***

in several posts.     PLEASE don't stop the good
work yet! 

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-23 Thread Drew
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

ps: Sorry to dampen anyones spirits, but the latest version (installed
1/2 hr ago) of gnome commander also does not preserve dates on copy (at
least, not all the time - only tried it on one file - but working only
sometimes isn't working).

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-22 Thread Drew
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

Thanks, HDave, for your comment. Especially that there is hope at the
end of all this...

However, I already did that. I only allowed the upgrade to the libglib
packages, though - but no dependencies showed...

Anyway, my synaptic reports that the package was upgraded, and the
problem persists.

Perhaps the fix does not work on fat32?

Maybe I have to upgrade everything? I'll try that, since HDave did that
& reports a fix with "very little" side effect.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-22 Thread HDave
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

Confirming that this bug is fixed in Hardy Proposed repo.   My many
thanks to those addressed this!!

@Drew -- Did you enabled the "proposed" repository?  In synaptic pick
Settings|Repositories then go to the "Updates" tab and and check "Pre-
released updates".  Click OK then hit the "reload" button on the
toolbar.

Beware that this is going to upgrade your kernel and 100 other
things...though i can say I have been running this way for months with
very little negative side effects.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-22 Thread Drew
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

Thanks, Ramos for trying, but problem persists.

Tried as you say -- no fix. Tried rebooting ubuntu -- no fix.
Noticed another package libglib2.0-data - installed new vrsion of that as well 
- still no change to nautilus.
Synaptic reports these packages now have versions ending in  ...ubuntu3.

note: just realised - I am copying files within fat32 partition. (only
just really realised this page is headed ... ntfs ...)!

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Re: [Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-22 Thread Marcelo Ramos
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

2008/6/22 Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499
>
> Can anyone please advise what else to do besides installing libglib2.0-0
> (2.16.3-1ubuntu3), to make the fix work.
>

Try restarting Nautilus with the command "killall nautilus" (alt+f2 or in a
gnome-terminal).

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-22 Thread Drew
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

Can anyone please advise what else to do besides installing libglib2.0-0
(2.16.3-1ubuntu3), to make the fix work.

(I installed the new package and nautilus copy still alters the date).

I'd also like to add my comment as to the importance of the above fix:

Like most commenters above, I agree (redoubled in spades!!!) that any
file management system that claims to copy a file without copying
arguably the most important piece if information associated with it (the
modification date), has rocks in its head (if the "standards" say it
should, then the standards are inconsistent with usability).

If people want to record the copy date, then attach a new date - but the
term "modification date" and "date changed" etc are associated with the
logical change to the content, not to the physical placement. (inot just
by long usage with  wi*&%ws, but by the common meaning of the terms).

eg, if I move a book from the dining room to the loungeroom, do I expect
the date published to alter if I claim to have modified a report, I
do not mean just run it through the photocopier. If you say you have
changed your statement, I take you to mean the content has altered, not
that you have moved it to another bookcase (hard copy) or disk drive
(soft copy), etc, etc, ad nauseam.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-22 Thread philinux
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499


Just done all proposed update.

Connected digital camera via usb. Imported photo's via F-spot and Gthumb only 
to fine that the date modified was todays date, ie the creation date on my pc, 
and not the date the picture was taken. Previously files imported in gutsy had 
the date taken as the modified date.
Within the properties window under the image tab is the correct taken date.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-22 Thread Florent Mertens
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 215499 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/215499

** Changed in: ntfs-config
   Status: New => Invalid

** Changed in: ntfs-3g (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 215499
   Nautilus not preserving timestamps

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-18 Thread Dick Dunbar
No question this is a bug, one that should be addressed as urgent if not
critical.  Creation and modification dates, and other attributes have
always been preserved in Linux copy and move, and to state otherwise is
ridiculous.  Changing this behavior is disasterous, and it did change
from 7.10 to 8.04.  The debating should stop, and the fixing begin.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-13 Thread HDave
I think the idea that this is not a bug is totally wrong.  This bug OP
does not want Linux to work differently than the UNIX spec.  He wants
Linux to work according to the NTFS spec when writing to an NTFS file
system.  NTFS tracks a creation date and a modified date.  We all
understand that ext3 doesn't work this way.  However NTFS does and since
the problem is with NTFS it IS a bug.

The "wishlist" priority on this issue is not appropriate.  It should be
"critical".

As a photographer I can tell you this makes Ubuntu nearly worthless to
me.  I had to spend all last night in Windows just to get some work out.
I am absolutely stunned at this regression from 7.10.

The only question that I am unclear on (because I see this in Hardy
8.04) is what is the source of the bug -- dvfs? ntfs-3g? nautilus?

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-08 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
Sorry.
My first installation of a Linux is Mandrake (today Mandriva), used only 15 
day, some years ago.
Then, in 2007, I have used Linux next Year, from ubuntu 7.04 to 8.04, and I 
liked Ubuntu, and Linux.

The BUG, found in Ubuntu 7.10, is present in Ubuntu 8.04
I switch to Mandriva to try if this BUG is not present.
Due to my new experience in Linux systems from Ubuntu, I like the Mandriva, and 
the features of syncronize with Windows Mobile, simpler install of programs, 
simpler install of driver for Broadcom Wifi (my wifi Broadcom, perfectly 
working in 7.10, not work in 8.04), simpler install of ATI drivers.
I'am satisfied: my system work perfectly, and the datetime problem of my NTFS 
files is not present.

At this moment, I use Mandriva (I'am free to use the system I want).

I must write: I use Mandriva Kde and not Gnome; for files management I
use Konqueror (Kde) and not Nautilus (Gnome).

Can be the BUG is also presente in Mandriva Gnome, I don't know.

I hope Ubuntu (or Gnome, or Nautilus,or gvfs) team solve this problem,
and I go to try also Ubuntu 8.10 to see if this problem (and the others
for Broadcom Wifi) is solved.

At this moment, I'am happy with my system.

Sorry, and Thank You for this useful experience.

Regards,
Carmelo Viavattene

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-08 Thread Urs
>> Due to this BUG, I switch from Ubuntu to Mandriva.

> you are free to use the system you want but such comments are not
really useful on a bug

Who cares - this story about this wrong copying has now going on for X
months, we all are fed up with the responsible people not caring about
it. So we place our signs of discontentment where we want.

By the way, with GNOME Commander or Thunar the copying of files
including the original change date is working fine. so let's forget
about Nautilus...

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
> Due to this BUG, I switch from Ubuntu to Mandriva.

you are free to use the system you want but such comments are not really
useful on a bug, you should rather send your comments to an user forum
or mailing list, note that the gvfs issue is an upstream one so the
current mandriva will have it too

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-08 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
Due to this BUG, I switch from Ubuntu to Mandriva.
In Mandriva all work perfectly, I found a greater number of programs, the 
installation of GoogleEarth (and other programs) is simpler, I can connect and 
syncronize with my Htc Touch in a very simply way.

Bye, Bye Ubuntu

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the bug should also likely be marked duplicate of bug #215499 now

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-08 Thread Sebastien Bacher
> you will notice that all users writing here have the same expectation
as the bug filer.

sure, why users who don't consider the current behaviour as buggy would
go to the bug tracker, search for this bug and comment there?

> this is a feature, not a bug

no, I'm saying that feature of bug is a matter of perception in this
case and that you should stop spamming people by adding comments to
discuss the settings there that's not constructive

> because you need it to fix "the bug"

where did I write I was going to work on this issue? I just say that
discussion about settings are not interesting, it'll make people
unsubscribe from the bug to stop receiving those comments spams and the
time spent commenting and reading those comments is not used to do
useful thingq

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-07 Thread oss_test_launchpad
> did you read the previous comment?

Yes, and I answered to it. Please read.

> different users might have different expectation about the
modification date there

Actually, when you read this thread carefully, you will notice that all
users writing here have the same expectation as the bug filer. The only
one who has a different expectation here is you.

> anyway discussing the settings is not constructive and will not make
the bug fixed faster quite the contrary so I'll stop this discussion
there

Sorry, I don't get it. First you keep telling us that this is a feature,
not a bug, and now you are telling us that you have no time discussing
with us because you need it to fix "the bug"? Sorry to say that, but
that's quite illogical. No offence intended of course.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-07 Thread Sebastien Bacher
did you read the previous comment? different users might have different
expectation about the modification date there, technically the new file
has been created when you did the copy so changing the date for this one
is correct, anyway discussing the settings is not constructive and will
not make the bug fixed faster quite the contrary so I'll stop this
discussion there

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-07 Thread oss_test_launchpad
I agree that from a purely technical point of view, there is some
inherent logic in that. From the user's point of view, this is, however,
not understandable.

You can ask yourself which information a user would expect to have: The
birthdate of the file or the date of some copying process. Secondly, you
can ask yourself whether you ever wondered about the COPYING DATE of a
file.

And, once again:

Cf. Wikipedia, s.v. "Software bug": "A software bug (or just "bug") is
an error, flaw, mistake, failure, fault or "undocumented feature" in a
computer program that prevents it from behaving as intended ... ." IMHO
this applies here: If you copy a file, you expect your file creation
date not to be destroyed. Current defaults prevents the software from
behaving as intended by the bug filer.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-06 Thread Sebastien Bacher
> this applies here: If you copy a file, you expect your file creation
date not to be destroyed. Current defaults prevents the software from
behaving as intended by the bug filer.

not really, a copy is writting the content in a different directory,
having the creation date being the copy one somewhat makes sense since
that's when the new file has been created

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-06 Thread oss_test_launchpad
Depends upon whether you see the behaviour of standard Unix as the
measure.

Personally, I would say that if I wanted Unix I would buy Unix, and the
only question important here is whether current defaults make sense or
might be dangerous for the average Ubuntu user.

Cf. Wikipedia, s.v. "Software bug": "A software bug (or just "bug") is
an error, flaw, mistake, failure, fault or "undocumented feature" in a
computer program that prevents it from behaving as intended ... ." IMHO
this applies here: If you copy a file, you expect your file creation
date not to be destroyed. Current defaults prevents the software from
behaving as intended by the bug filer.

Current defaults have massive destructive potential. Imagine the bug
filer doing a backup and then formatting his main hard disk drive
because he wants to install a new system. It will probably be only when
he copies back his data that he will notice that all his creation dates
have been destroyed, which will make it impossible to have his data
sorted by creation date in the future.

Having your data intact, this goes far beyond a mere "wish".

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-06 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the standard unix copy does the same, the behaviour might be different
from what you expect but that doesn't make it really a bug

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-06 Thread oss_test_launchpad
Why is this classified as "wishlist" anyway? From my limited knowledge I
would say this clearly adresses a bug.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-05 Thread oss_test_launchpad
You mean "you are trying" or "you are advising me to try this"?

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-05 Thread Forrest Samuels
Try using gnome commander or a different file manager also as a work
around in 8.10.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-06-05 Thread oss_test_launchpad
1.) Am I getting this right: The problem is still the same as described
by the bug filer but now for another reason, which is described in
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/215499?

2.) Does anyone know whether a proper file copying system will be
available with 8.10?

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-05-21 Thread Forrest Samuels
This particular bug IS fixed in 8.04 (and in 7.10 in the backports
repository). There is a new bug in GNOME with the new GVFS that is
causing modified dates to get changed for file copy/move across ALL file
systems. That is bug 215499
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/215499). Using
'cp -p' on the command line or gnome-commander both preserve the
modified date if you are looking for a work around. They are not the
best but they do work.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-05-19 Thread Urs
I am sorry, but this bug is NOT solved with 8.04 - in contrary it
appears again with all folders, while this problem  didn't show up in
7.04.

I also defintiely need the creation date of a file to be copied in the
target folder and not the copy date! Especially with images from a
camera!

This urgently has to be fixed. I thought there would be somewhere a an
change option in Nautilus but I do not find it.

Thanks, Urs

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2008-03-02 Thread Forrest Samuels
It looks like this is fixed in release 1.1120 of NTFS-3G which is also
the package currently in the Hardy (8.04) repository
http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ntfs-3g so this bug may be resolved in
8.04.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-11-04 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
added ntfs-config project

Carmelo Viavattene

** Also affects: ntfs-config
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-11-03 Thread Szabolcs Szakacsits
ntfs-config

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-11-02 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
Auto-reply.
Sorry, another correction:

I'am changed:
UUID=567ECDF67ECDCF45 /media/sda2 ntfs defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
in:
UUID=567ECDF67ECDCF45 /media/sda2 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=it_IT.utf8 0 1

and all is OK.
Then, changing the permission, my problem is solved (the modify time is 
preserved).

For my external USB NTFS drive, i'am not problems (the modify time is
preserved).

The bug is auto-SOLVED partially.

@ Szabolcs:
Remain a portion of the bug:
Ubuntu must set by default the /etc/fstab for existing NTFS drive, using 
ntfs-3g, and without umask.
Please, can You search the correct project to solve this?

Regards,
Carmelo Viavattene

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-11-01 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
Sorry, a correction:

I think I must change:
UUID=567ECDF67ECDCF45 /media/sda2 ntfs defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
in:
UUID=567ECDF67ECDCF45 /media/sda2 ntfs defaults,locale=it_IT.utf8 0 1

and can be I solve the problem of preserving the modify time?
(In this way I set the permissions of NTFS drive equal to ext3 drive)

1) Please, reply me if this is correct.

2) Another question: if I insert a external USB NTFS drive, i must
change the permission?

3) At the end, i think a bug is present: Ubuntu must set by default
correctly the permission of NTFS drive, internal and external.

Is not a problem of NTFS-3G, and I not know the correct project must
correct this bug.

Regards, 
Carmelo Viavattene

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-11-01 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
Is not a Nautilus problem.
To search the problem, i go to a complete re-install of my Ubuntu 7.10.
Now, i check all.
The ntfs-3g installed in my computer is version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1.
My computer have only a hard disk: 
sda1 is a Windows XP C: drive, filesystem NTFS
sda2 is a Windows D: drive, filesystem NTFS
sda3 is swap linux
sda4 is / linux, filesystem ext3.

Then, I go to copy a test file not in Nautilus (then, is not a Nautilus 
problem).
I use the terminal.
The file is test.txt
I copy from terminal and paste in this comment.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cp -p test.txt test2.txt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ stat test*
  File: `test2.txt'
  Size: 17  Blocks: 8  IO Block: 4096   file normale
Device: 804h/2052d  Inode: 66960   Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: ( 1000/ carmelo)   Gid: ( 1000/ carmelo)
Access: 2007-11-01 20:04:59.0 +0100
Modify: 2007-11-01 20:04:58.0 +0100
Change: 2007-11-01 20:05:58.0 +0100
  File: `test.txt'
  Size: 17  Blocks: 8  IO Block: 4096   file normale
Device: 804h/2052d  Inode: 66956   Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: ( 1000/ carmelo)   Gid: ( 1000/ carmelo)
Access: 2007-11-01 20:05:58.0 +0100
Modify: 2007-11-01 20:04:58.0 +0100
Change: 2007-11-01 20:04:58.0 +0100
  File: `test.txt~'
  Size: 0   Blocks: 0  IO Block: 4096   file normale vuoto
Device: 804h/2052d  Inode: 66948   Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: ( 1000/ carmelo)   Gid: ( 1000/ carmelo)
Access: 2007-11-01 20:04:44.0 +0100
Modify: 2007-11-01 20:04:37.0 +0100
Change: 2007-11-01 20:04:58.0 +0100

The modify time of test.txt (origin) and of test2.txt (destination) is the 
same, and is OK.
In a view of Nautilus, i see the modify time, and is OK.
And now, copy in NTFS drive:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cp -p test.txt /media/sda2/test3.txt
cp: preservato l'orario di `/media/sda2/test3.txt': Funzione non permessa
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cp -p /media/sda2/test3.txt /media/sda2/test4.txt
cp: preservato l'orario di `/media/sda2/test4.txt': Funzione non permessa
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ stat /media/sda2/test*
  File: `/media/sda2/test3.txt'
  Size: 17  Blocks: 1  IO Block: 4096   file normale
Device: 802h/2050d  Inode: 6299Links: 1
Access: (0770/-rwxrwx---)  Uid: (0/root)   Gid: (   46/ plugdev)
Access: 2007-11-01 20:08:19.0 +0100
Modify: 2007-11-01 20:08:19.0 +0100
Change: 2007-11-01 20:08:19.0 +0100
  File: `/media/sda2/test4.txt'
  Size: 17  Blocks: 1  IO Block: 4096   file normale
Device: 802h/2050d  Inode: 6300Links: 1
Access: (0770/-rwxrwx---)  Uid: (0/root)   Gid: (   46/ plugdev)
Access: 2007-11-01 20:09:58.0 +0100
Modify: 2007-11-01 20:09:58.0 +0100
Change: 2007-11-01 20:09:58.0 +0100

I think this is the problem is at the cp command.
cp: preservato l'orario di `/media/sda2/test3.txt': Funzione non permessa
Transaltion from my italian language is:
cp: preserved the time of `/media/sda2/test3.txt': function not permitted

I see You have access different from my access
You: Access: (0664/-rw-rw-r--)
In my computer:
filesystem ext3: Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)
filesystem ntfs: Access: (0770/-rwxrwx---)

Then, if i work in superuser mode:
 su
Parola d'ordine: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/carmelo#  cp -p /media/sda2/test3.txt 
/media/sda2/test5.txt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/carmelo# stat /media/sda2/test5*
  File: `/media/sda2/test5.txt'
  Size: 17  Blocks: 1  IO Block: 4096   file normale
Device: 802h/2050d  Inode: 6301Links: 1
Access: (0770/-rwxrwx---)  Uid: (0/root)   Gid: (   46/ plugdev)
Access: 2007-11-01 20:08:19.0 +0100
Modify: 2007-11-01 20:08:19.0 +0100
Change: 2007-11-01 20:08:19.0 +0100

And I not have the problems of preserving the time.
If, from terminal, i start Nautilus, copy and paste a file is OK.
Now, my report is not of a bug, and i can confirm: is not a BUG of NTFS-3G!!!

Sorry.

At this point, the solution is:
A correct acces for the user to not have my problems with  NTFS filesystem 
(must be Ubuntu to set this) is:
change the permission of all NTFS filesystem at the same level of ext3 
filesystem.

Is correct?

my /etc/fstab is:

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
# /dev/sda4
UUID=5b3f43f5-a935-498d-9dbb-52299fd1c696 /   ext3
defaults,errors=remount-ro 0   1
# /dev/sda1
UUID=F8788F19788ED5B2 /media/sda1 ntfsdefaults,umask=007,gid=46 0   
1
# /dev/sda2
UUID=567ECDF67ECDCF45 /media/sda2 ntfsdefaults,umask=007,gid=46 0   
1
# /dev/sda3
UUID=d1b5bed4-2e03-4ef7-963c-439bd81c0f74 noneswapsw
  0   0
/dev/scd0   /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0   0

And now, if I change 
UUID=567ECDF67ECDCF

[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-11-01 Thread Szabolcs Szakacsits
> Try to extract some or all the files of a compressed file (.zip, .tar, ...): 
> in the compressed file You see 
> the date and the time of the file, and if You extract in a NTFS drive, at 
> this moment You see the date of 
> the copy. Expected is the original date (and time), and this is OK if you 
> extract in a ext3 drive (example 
> your Home).

This also works with ntfs-3g 1.1030:

# tar xzvpf fstest_20070718.tgz
# ls -l  fstest_20070718
total 50
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   646 Jan 28  2007 README
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1451 Jan 28  2007 LICENSE
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 19923 Jul 18 18:40 fstest.c
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   296 Oct 31 19:04 Makefile
drwxr-xr-x  1 root root  4096 Oct 31 19:04 tests/
-rwxrwxr-x  1 root root 18901 Oct 31 19:04 fstest*

As you see, all times are in the past, they are the original file
creation times. So you indeed seem to have a Nautilus problem after all.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-11-01 Thread Szabolcs Szakacsits
Ntfs-3g updates the times the same way as other file systems.

ext3:
# stat test1
  File: `test1'
  Size: 0   Blocks: 0  IO Block: 4096   regular empty file
Device: 805h/2053d  Inode: 2275396 Links: 1
Access: (0664/-rw-rw-r--)  Uid: ( 1004/   szaka)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2007-11-01 16:41:52.0 +0200
Modify: 2007-11-01 16:41:52.0 +0200
Change: 2007-11-01 16:41:52.0 +0200

# /bin/cp -p test1 test2
# stat test2
  File: `test2'
  Size: 0   Blocks: 0  IO Block: 4096   regular empty file
Device: 805h/2053d  Inode: 3023826 Links: 1
Access: (0664/-rw-rw-r--)  Uid: ( 1004/   szaka)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2007-11-01 16:41:52.0 +0200
Modify: 2007-11-01 16:41:52.0 +0200
Change: 2007-11-01 16:42:05.0 +0200


ntfs-3g:
# stat test1
   File: `test1'
  Size: 0   Blocks: 0  IO Block: 4096   regular empty file
Device: 806h/2054d  Inode: 60  Links: 1
Access: (0664/-rw-rw-r--)  Uid: (0/root)   Gid: (0/root)
Access: 2007-11-01 16:41:01.0 +0200
Modify: 2007-11-01 16:41:01.0 +0200
Change: 2007-11-01 16:41:01.0 +0200

# /bin/cp -p test1 test2
# stat test2
  File: `test2'
  Size: 0   Blocks: 0  IO Block: 4096   regular empty file
Device: 806h/2054d  Inode: 61  Links: 1
Access: (0664/-rw-rw-r--)  Uid: (0/root)   Gid: (0/root)
Access: 2007-11-01 16:41:01.0 +0200
Modify: 2007-11-01 16:41:01.0 +0200
Change: 2007-11-01 16:41:15.0 +0200

In both cases the modification time is unchanged and the change time is
the last inode modification time as the Single Unix Specification
requires.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-31 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
I not want the start time of the copy. I not want the end time of the copy. I 
want the same time of the file origin of the copy:
An example: if I'am a file of 2005-10-24 8.34.56, and I copy this file to a 
NTFS drive, the copyed file MUST have the same time of 2005-10-24 8.34.56. So, 
if I see in the drive origin and in the drive destination, i want the same 
file, with the same name, length, and ... SAME TIME.

You can try this: create a new file, in your Home (ext3 drive); if you copy 
this file in the same directory, or in Examples directory, you have the 
original time (and this is correct). If You copy in a NTFS drive, the time 
change at the time of the end of the copy (wrong). Expected: the time is the 
same of the original file.
The "creation" time is not the concept of NTFS: simply, I'am interested at the 
time i see in a standard view of Nautilus (after the installation of Ubuntu 
7.10).

Try to extract some or all the files of a compressed file (.zip, .tar,
...): in the compressed file You see the date and the time of the file,
and if You extract in a NTFS drive, at this moment You see the date of
the copy. Expected is the original date (and time), and this is OK if
you extract in a ext3 drive (example your Home).

Regards,
Carmelo Viavattene

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-31 Thread Szabolcs Szakacsits
Just to clarify: do you want the file "change" timestamp to be the start
time of the copy, not the end time of the copy? If the driver doesn't do
things this way then that will be fixed (one unrelated ctime update
problem is already fixed).

If you're interested in the "creation" time then unfortunately I must
say that Linux/Unix doesn't have the concept of "creation" time as NTFS
does. When you copy a file from NTFS to any other volume (ext3, fat,
ntfs, etc) then the NTFS "creation" timestamp will be lost because no
utility and Unix API can handle it.

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-30 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
@ Siegfried: Thank You,
Then, I have changed the description of my first report with «Edit 
description/tags» at the left.

At this point, i know a best way to report a bug to Ubuntu team, and to change 
a my not perfect description.

@ Szabolcs:
Moreover, I am happy to have guessed to address the error message to the group 
ntfs-3g.

However, the important thing is that the error has been identified and is soon 
resolved.
When will the release of the next version of NTFS-3G?

Also, I'am marked as duplicated of this bug my report 157585.
I thought that when it is not a mistake of NTFS-3G, I had to report it as a 
mistake of NAUTILUS.
Then I realized that I can change the group to which the error is reported (is 
my first report of a bug), 
So, reporting 157585 is unnecessary.

Regards,
Carmelo Viavattene

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-30 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
** Description changed:

  Ubuntu 7.10
  I'am a hard disk with NTFS partition.
  I use Nautilus to copy files or directory, and the problem appear.
  If I copy a file to the NTFS partition, the date and the time of the copyed 
file is changed to the time of the end of copy.
  The same problem in a USB hard disk NTFS.
  
  This not appear if I copy a file in my home ubuntu (ext3) or in my key
  USB (fat32).
  
  If I move the file in the NTFS partition, the date/time is not changed.
  
  This is bug is very annoyng: 
- I'am some OpenOffice files created in Windows, and I want save in my external 
hard disk. I MUST know when my file is writed.
+ I'am some OpenOffice files created in Windows, and I want save in my external 
hard disk. I MUST know when my file is created.
  
  Please correct.
  
  Regards,
  
  Carmelo Viavattene

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-30 Thread Szabolcs Szakacsits
We've check it out now and NTFS-3G indeed doesn't update the "creation"
time correctly sometimes (originally you commented the "modification"
time).

Thank you for the bug report, this is planned to be fixed in the next
NTFS-3G release.

  Szaka

==
NTFS-3G Lead Developer:  http://ntfs-3g.org

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-30 Thread Siegfried Gevatter (RainCT)
@ Carmelo: For the case you want to change something on further reports,
notice that there's a «Edit description/tags» option at the left
(section «Actions»). Cheers!

** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

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Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file
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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-30 Thread Siegfried Gevatter (RainCT)
** Changed in: ntfs-3g (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-30 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
Please, change my comment of the original report from
"I MUST know when my file is writed." 
to
"I MUST know when my file is created."

Regards,
Carmelo Viavattene

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-26 Thread Carmelo Viavattene
If I copy my files from a disk to another or to another directory, I
want know when my files are created.

Can You help me?

Regards,
Carmelo Viavattene

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[Bug 157396] Re: Copyng a file to a NTFS drive change the date and the time of the file

2007-10-26 Thread Szabolcs Szakacsits
When you /bin/cp a file then it gets new timestamps by default whatever
is the file system. Nautilus maybe redefines this behaviour but not
consistently.

** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: ntfs-3g => nautilus

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