[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
Looking at all of the comments and with nothing added for over 10 years I'm closing this now with a status of 'Opinion'. No doubt Ubuntu and its various flavours will follow upstream design decisions. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Triaged => Opinion ** Changed in: gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Opinion ** Changed in: indicator-session (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Incomplete ** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Opinion ** Changed in: indicator-session Status: Confirmed => Opinion ** Changed in: indicator-session (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/540826/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: Papercuts Ninjas (papercuts-ninja) => (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/540826/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
** Description changed: In the Power Menu, "Suspend" should be renamed to "Sleep" because sleep falls on a continuum with hibernation/"Hibernate", and "sleep" is a more intuitive term for new users (you can verify this by asking ten people who have not used Ubuntu what it means to "suspend" a computer, then ask another ten people who have not used Ubuntu what it means to "sleep" a computer). - Specifically in Power Management Preferences, both words "sleep" and "suspend" are used and mean the same thing. Under Actions is "Put computer to sleep when inactive for:" while the drop-down selection boxes have "Suspend" as an option. Also: http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/SleepNames https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-May/017718.html + bug 531491, about changing "Suspend" to "Sleep" *and* "Shut Down" to "Switch Off". -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/540826/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: (unassigned) => Papercuts Ninja (papercuts-ninja) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
I remember working through this 4 years ago when I was focused more on the power management. The aim at the time the aim was just to get some better consistency; http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-power-manager/tree/docs/sleep- names.html?id=313d76583201b308f173d0803e120eba68e0c9c0 that's the last commit that had the original in-source documentation about what to do, and which was removed in the next commit. At the time the aim was settling on Suspend/Resume and Hibernate/Resume. Hibernate is generally fine because in English people have often heard about fluffy polar bears in winter. Suspend was better-than-the-other- options. Perhaps the thing to do here would be to get some hard user testing, and if we have a verifiable outcome then to go about patching everything system-wide at an Upstream level? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
"Suspend" is technically more correct than "Sleep" and I'd prefer that. But the most important thing is that whatever name it is called, it is called with the same name everywhere. Otherwise it is just confusing. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
I, on the other hand, prefer "Suspend". To me, sounds SOO much better than "Sleep". Is my PC human, or a machine? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
I think this is a translation problem except the English -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
As mentioned in dup Bug #661383 , sleep is already used in gpm preferences. I'v mentioned this bug in gnome-design, and Upstream is interested in making this change. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: maverick-round-4-potpourri => nt7-potpourri -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 Title: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
Dear Team, What's wrong with suspend ? I fail to understand the point here. >From google search: [Suspend mode powers down devices that are not needed in order to safe electricity, e.g. it may switch the monitor, sound card or modem off and turn them back on when you return from suspend mode.] To me, it word 'suspend' sounds more consistent with the intended function and with other linux distributions including the upstream ones mentioned above. Except as in comment #4 -- I agree; "sleep" is a preferable word, and is also the Apple usage for its notebooks. and if that is the case, to me that's a No-Go. Not that I am anti-something, rather I would like us to retain our unique identity. -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
>From dup Bug #661383 "Outside discussions of whether "suspend" should be called "sleep" or "sleep" should be called "suspend", there needs to be consistency. Specifically in Power Management Preferences, both words "sleep" and "suspend" are used and mean the same thing. Under Actions is "Put computer to sleep when inactive for:" while the drop-down selection boxes have "Suspend" as an option." Both of these links are worth noting: http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/SleepNames https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-May/017718.html ** Description changed: In the Power Menu, "Suspend" should be renamed to "Sleep" because sleep falls on a continuum with hibernation/"Hibernate", and "sleep" is a more intuitive term for new users (you can verify this by asking ten people who have not used Ubuntu what it means to "suspend" a computer, then ask another ten people who have not used Ubuntu what it means to "sleep" a computer). + + - + + Specifically in Power Management Preferences, both words "sleep" and + "suspend" are used and mean the same thing. Under Actions is "Put + computer to sleep when inactive for:" while the drop-down selection + boxes have "Suspend" as an option. + + Also: + http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/SleepNames + https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-May/017718.html -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
** Description changed: -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
** Branch linked: lp:~bilalakhtar/ubuntu/maverick/gnome-power-manager /papercut-fix-540826 -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
Vish, I completely accept that sabdfl's comment has made this bug popular and important :) but I had deleted the branch from lp. Fortunately, the branch still exists on my machine (undamaged) so I am pushing again. -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
@Bilal: this bug has caught sabdfl's attention, so we never know what might happen if there is a fix readily available in a branch. ;) You can keep the branch you have worked on linked to this bug. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
Following the above comments, I am withdrawing my merge proposal and un- assigning myself. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: In Progress => Confirmed ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: Bilal Akhtar (bilalakhtar) => (unassigned) ** Branch unlinked: lp:~bilalakhtar/ubuntu/maverick/gnome-power-manager /papercut-fix-540826 ** Changed in: gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress => Triaged ** Changed in: gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) Assignee: Bilal Akhtar (bilalakhtar) => (unassigned) ** Changed in: indicator-session (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress => Triaged ** Changed in: indicator-session (Ubuntu) Assignee: Bilal Akhtar (bilalakhtar) => (unassigned) -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
if somebody wants to take that discussion upstream it could be easier to discuss it on lists than on bugs on indivuals components since the change should be done in the different components during the same cycle -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
The issue is what Ted described, launchpad doesn't handle documentation translations right now and ubuntu has no easy way to do changes in the documentation translation out of doing source upload for each translation changes, so it would be much easier to convince upstream of the interest of the change if we believe the new wording would be a win, we decided previous cycle it was not enough of a win to break documentation translations in all non english locales though -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 12:14 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Vish, we have a huge Ubuntu translation team to handle these, please > don't use this as a basis for not fixing something in Ubuntu first if > the fix is ready and the fixer is willing. The translation issue comes from the problem that Ubuntu translators can't translate the documentation from upstreams. I've been working with the LP team to get a fix for this scheduled for development. While upstreaming these changes is always good, we need to ensure that we can make and properly translate them as well. -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
On 07/07/10 09:16, Vish wrote: > - This needs fixing upstream first to enable proper translation support. If > we change this is Ubuntu it will break translations. > Vish, we have a huge Ubuntu translation team to handle these, please don't use this as a basis for not fixing something in Ubuntu first if the fix is ready and the fixer is willing. Mark -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
Done. -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
Vish, There is a way to edit PO files without breaking translations. I am making a quilt patch, and pushing the revision into the branch. Doing that now. -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
Bilal, No this has not been fixed in Maverick. This bug has stalled since: - It needs to be reworded in gnome-power-manager , gnome-session . - This needs fixing upstream first to enable proper translation support. If we change this is Ubuntu it will break translations. Could you submit your patch Upstream? ** Also affects: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist ** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-session in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
** Branch linked: lp:~bilalakhtar/ubuntu/maverick/gnome-power-manager /papercut-fix-540826 -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
I suppose this bug has been fixed in indicator-session. Please check the latest MAVERICK release. -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
affects here as well. ** Changed in: gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist ** Changed in: gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) Status: New => In Progress ** Changed in: gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Bilal Akhtar (bilalakhtar) -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 540826] Re: Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep"
Here as well. Since I am fixing this bug in downstream, I am not assigning myself to upstream. Will forward patch to upstream once bug is fixed here. ** Changed in: indicator-session (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => In Progress ** Changed in: indicator-session (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Bilal Akhtar (bilalakhtar) ** Also affects: gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Rename "Suspend" to "Sleep" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/540826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-power-manager in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
