Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely Apache has run into this before, no? Yup. For example Microsoft has Avalon, and Sony has Cocoon. But our projects are "Apache Avalon" and "Apache Cocoon". So it's not *strictly* necessary to change the name, but why risk when you don't have a brand to protect anyhow. Is it possible for a company to register a name which is used by others in the same domain earlier? > E.g. if Apache uses "Ant" for years; can Microsoft register that name for another neat tool now? IANAL, but AFAIK no. I think it often comes down to size of legal team. Windows(tm) is meant to refer to MS windows when you write some app like "Random File Deleter for Windows" or "Sobig.F email worm for Windows". Sun are fussy about anything using Java and J2EE, too. very fussy. The trick in these situatins is to win by losing wittily: 1. ...a few years back Apple were using bogus science concepts for the names of products, like 'Cold Fusion' and 'Carl Sagan'. But the latter discovered there was a product nicknamed Sagan in the works and sent threatening letters. So it was renamed 'BHA' for butt-head-astronomer. 2. Every so often Scott Adams gets threatening letters about something and demand retractions. They do so, in a way that is designed to make fun of the litigant. An example of this was one where they said AntFarm without making clear it was trademarked, which resulted in a cartoon like Dogbert: we are advised that antfarm is a trademark of somebody Dilbert: so what do you call something where you breed ugly little creatures for fun Dogbert: law school - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
BTW, I googled for that dictionary: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/ For all other guys who aren´t knowing all that stuff :-) Jan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed! > > > Thanks :-) > > Jan > > > -Original Message- > > From: alec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:54 PM > > To: Ant Developers List > > Subject: Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed! > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >>IANAL, but AFAIK no. > > >>Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> > > >I know AFAIK (as far as i know), but what is IANAL? > > > > > >Jan > > > > > From the Jargon Dictionary: > > > > *IANAL* /[Usenet]/ Abbreviation, "I Am Not A Lawyer". > >Usually precedes legal advice. > > > > Alec > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
RE: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Thanks :-) Jan > -Original Message- > From: alec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:54 PM > To: Ant Developers List > Subject: Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed! > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>IANAL, but AFAIK no. > >>Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >I know AFAIK (as far as i know), but what is IANAL? > > > >Jan > > > From the Jargon Dictionary: > > *IANAL* /[Usenet]/ Abbreviation, "I Am Not A Lawyer". >Usually precedes legal advice. > > Alec > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IANAL, but AFAIK no. Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know AFAIK (as far as i know), but what is IANAL? Jan From the Jargon Dictionary: *IANAL* /[Usenet]/ Abbreviation, "I Am Not A Lawyer". Usually precedes legal advice. Alec - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IANAL, but AFAIK no. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know AFAIK (as far as i know), but what is IANAL? I Am Not A Layer :-) -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
> IANAL, but AFAIK no. > > -- > Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know AFAIK (as far as i know), but what is IANAL? Jan
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely Apache has run into this before, no? Yup. For example Microsoft has Avalon, and Sony has Cocoon. But our projects are "Apache Avalon" and "Apache Cocoon". So it's not *strictly* necessary to change the name, but why risk when you don't have a brand to protect anyhow. Is it possible for a company to register a name which is used by others in the same domain earlier? > E.g. if Apache uses "Ant" for years; can Microsoft register that name for another neat tool now? IANAL, but AFAIK no. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
What about Ant Driver, by association with African Driver ants? http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/features/268feature1.shtml a bit scary perhaps, but short and not in latin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 October 2003 09:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed! Maybe another animal AFE - Ant Front End (german Affe - ape) :-) or should we consult the movie "Forrest Gumb" once again ? Jan > -Original Message- > From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:58 AM > To: Ant Developers List > Subject: Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed! > > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:21:45 +0200 (MEST) > "Christoph Wilhelms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anyways: If we have to rename it, I propose to use a simple > and gereic name > > like "Ant GUI". > > ANTiCUI :-) > > -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Maybe another animal AFE - Ant Front End (german Affe - ape) :-) or should we consult the movie "Forrest Gumb" once again ? Jan > -Original Message- > From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:58 AM > To: Ant Developers List > Subject: Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed! > > > > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:21:45 +0200 (MEST) > "Christoph Wilhelms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anyways: If we have to rename it, I propose to use a simple > and gereic name > > like "Ant GUI". > > ANTiCUI :-) > > -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:21:45 +0200 (MEST) "Christoph Wilhelms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyways: If we have to rename it, I propose to use a simple and gereic name > like "Ant GUI". ANTiCUI :-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
> > Surely Apache has run into this before, no? > > Yup. For example Microsoft has Avalon, and Sony has Cocoon. But our > projects are "Apache Avalon" and "Apache Cocoon". > > So it's not *strictly* necessary to change the name, but why > risk when > you don't have a brand to protect anyhow. Is it possible for a company to register a name which is used by others in the same domain earlier? E.g. if Apache uses "Ant" for years; can Microsoft register that name for another neat tool now? Jan
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Adam R. B. Jack wrote: You may be right, because "antidote" is a commonly used word, but I am with Stefan here and I feel playing save can't be bad :-). What are the chances that the new name isn't a clash with somebody else somewhere? How far/wide do you search? Do you change again in a while when somebody surfaces? When does it end? I think typically folks w/ name clashes, who don't truly clash in product/concept/marketing typically just learn to ignore it and coexist. The Internet is too big for no clashes. Maybe call it org.apache.ant.idote or something. ;-) Surely Apache has run into this before, no? Yup. For example Microsoft has Avalon, and Sony has Cocoon. But our projects are "Apache Avalon" and "Apache Cocoon". So it's not *strictly* necessary to change the name, but why risk when you don't have a brand to protect anyhow. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Not bad, maybe... -Matt --- "Jack J. Woehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matt Benson wrote: > > > Cool idea; unfortunately the word seems to be > here: > > > > > http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ommatidium > > > > Not too friendly. > > You're right, "ommatidium" sounds like something > Winnie the Pooh would hum to himself. > > How about "Formiga"? It's the Portuges word for Ant > and the Ant Gui is mostly forms, > so it's a nice pun. > > -- > Jack J. Woehr # You measure democracy by the > freedom it > Senior Consultant # gives its dissidents, not the > freedom > Purematrix, Inc. # it gives its assimilated > conformists. > www.purematrix.com # - Abbie Hoffman > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt Benson wrote: > Cool idea; unfortunately the word seems to be here: > > http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ommatidium > > Not too friendly. You're right, "ommatidium" sounds like something Winnie the Pooh would hum to himself. How about "Formiga"? It's the Portuges word for Ant and the Ant Gui is mostly forms, so it's a nice pun. -- Jack J. Woehr # You measure democracy by the freedom it Senior Consultant # gives its dissidents, not the freedom Purematrix, Inc. # it gives its assimilated conformists. www.purematrix.com # - Abbie Hoffman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Cool idea; unfortunately the word seems to be here: http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ommatidium Not too friendly. Another cool thing about this idea is that an arthropod eye is multifaceted, and the concept of a "facet" is closely related to the concept of a "facade," which the Ant GUI also should be. What is lacking on the Ant GUI's development? -Matt --- "Jack J. Woehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christoph Wilhelms wrote: > > > Additionally: Renaming sounds like a "not too bad" > idea, because I found > > (using Google) some virus detection programs > called "Antidote"... > > > > Thoughts!?! > > I never liked the name, it sounds like Ant is a > disease that you need Antidote for :-) > > Isn't there a special Latin term for the composite > eye of an Ant? The GUI is an > Ant eye. We should figure out some cool Latin name > for an Ant eye and name it that. > > -- > Jack J. Woehr # You measure democracy by the > freedom it > Senior Consultant # gives its dissidents, not the > freedom > Purematrix, Inc. # it gives its assimilated > conformists. > www.purematrix.com # - Abbie Hoffman > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Christoph Wilhelms wrote: > Additionally: Renaming sounds like a "not too bad" idea, because I found > (using Google) some virus detection programs called "Antidote"... > > Thoughts!?! I never liked the name, it sounds like Ant is a disease that you need Antidote for :-) Isn't there a special Latin term for the composite eye of an Ant? The GUI is an Ant eye. We should figure out some cool Latin name for an Ant eye and name it that. -- Jack J. Woehr # You measure democracy by the freedom it Senior Consultant # gives its dissidents, not the freedom Purematrix, Inc. # it gives its assimilated conformists. www.purematrix.com # - Abbie Hoffman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow Steve! Impressive research :-)! Well done! Nearly nothing to add :-)! > Perhaps we just make sure that we call it Apache ANTidote on > all the web > page & docs tonight, send him a letter saying we have made > sure that we > use the full name. If he insists then raise the stakes by > asking for to > see the USPTO registration as you cannot find it in the search engine. > > finally, if we do to change the products name we ping the > virus software > vendors and ask if they have received the same emails & what their > action will be. heh. Agreed. The one and only reason I'd still feel better renaming ANTidote to "Ant GUI" (as it is generic as possible) is to avoid a "dissuasion" (hope it is the right term), wich would cause minimumly lawyer costs, we can't afford... I do not even think that the name of the Ant GUI is worth a chance of getting in trouble... Thoughts? Chris By the way: still need more developers for the Ant GUI (commercial block end ;-)) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmm I have this suspicion that we are just an ancillary target, these people probably really want to sue the virus software people who likely have some money to sue for. The problem is that if they don't pursue everyone, they probably can't go after the big one and have the courts beleive them. They might well accept a simple cheap workaround like the "Apache Antidote" name, as it aquiesses to thier trademark in name at least, and then they don't have to spend money chasing us. Also, if there is no trademark on file at the USPTO, we could of course get the trademark and tell them to stop using ours, but that might not be the peaceful easy and cheap way out -Gus Steve Loughran wrote: Adam R. B. Jack wrote: You may be right, because "antidote" is a commonly used word, but I am with Stefan here and I feel playing save can't be bad :-). What are the chances that the new name isn't a clash with somebody else somewhere? How far/wide do you search? Do you change again in a while when somebody surfaces? When does it end? when we bring a real product to market we pay lots of people for branding, user acceptance queries, etc. Even so, when you look at the global naming space, there are many cases of misnamed products. e.g The vauxhall/opel nova translated to 'no go' in spanish for example, which isnt good naming for a car, even though in the 1.1L version it was pretty apt. I think typically folks w/ name clashes, who don't truly clash in product/concept/marketing typically just learn to ignore it and coexist. The Internet is too big for no clashes. Maybe call it org.apache.ant.idote or something. ;-) google for antidote and software: Antidote for PC viruses http://www.vintage-solutions.com/English/Antivirus/Super/ Antidote medical billing http://www.donwalsh.com/antidote/antidote.html Antidote computer services http://www.antidotecomputer.com/ The PC virus one crops up all the time. Also a search of the USPTO of use registrations (try under) http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=vlg2jr.1.1 shows that only antidote computer services have a live US registration The EU search engine http://oami.eu.int/search/trademark/la/en_tm_search.cfm shows nothing; I dont know what that means. If it were just me, I would tell whoever sent the letter to Christophe that our product is a separate product from theirs, and we don't think there will be any more confusion between them than say MS office and Star Office. But I dont want to escalate things too out of hand. Indeed, given you are meant to call Ooo OpenOffice.org to distinguish it from OpenOffice, you can get very close to a trademark and still be clear. But it is too early to escalate. Perhaps we just make sure that we call it Apache ANTidote on all the web page & docs tonight, send him a letter saying we have made sure that we use the full name. If he insists then raise the stakes by asking for to see the USPTO registration as you cannot find it in the search engine. finally, if we do to change the products name we ping the virus software vendors and ask if they have received the same emails & what their action will be. heh. Surely Apache has run into this before, no? probably. There is some kind of Apache perfume registered, I see. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Adam R. B. Jack wrote: You may be right, because "antidote" is a commonly used word, but I am with Stefan here and I feel playing save can't be bad :-). What are the chances that the new name isn't a clash with somebody else somewhere? How far/wide do you search? Do you change again in a while when somebody surfaces? When does it end? when we bring a real product to market we pay lots of people for branding, user acceptance queries, etc. Even so, when you look at the global naming space, there are many cases of misnamed products. e.g The vauxhall/opel nova translated to 'no go' in spanish for example, which isnt good naming for a car, even though in the 1.1L version it was pretty apt. I think typically folks w/ name clashes, who don't truly clash in product/concept/marketing typically just learn to ignore it and coexist. The Internet is too big for no clashes. Maybe call it org.apache.ant.idote or something. ;-) google for antidote and software: Antidote for PC viruses http://www.vintage-solutions.com/English/Antivirus/Super/ Antidote medical billing http://www.donwalsh.com/antidote/antidote.html Antidote computer services http://www.antidotecomputer.com/ The PC virus one crops up all the time. Also a search of the USPTO of use registrations (try under) http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=vlg2jr.1.1 shows that only antidote computer services have a live US registration The EU search engine http://oami.eu.int/search/trademark/la/en_tm_search.cfm shows nothing; I dont know what that means. If it were just me, I would tell whoever sent the letter to Christophe that our product is a separate product from theirs, and we don't think there will be any more confusion between them than say MS office and Star Office. But I dont want to escalate things too out of hand. Indeed, given you are meant to call Ooo OpenOffice.org to distinguish it from OpenOffice, you can get very close to a trademark and still be clear. But it is too early to escalate. Perhaps we just make sure that we call it Apache ANTidote on all the web page & docs tonight, send him a letter saying we have made sure that we use the full name. If he insists then raise the stakes by asking for to see the USPTO registration as you cannot find it in the search engine. finally, if we do to change the products name we ping the virus software vendors and ask if they have received the same emails & what their action will be. heh. Surely Apache has run into this before, no? probably. There is some kind of Apache perfume registered, I see. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
> You may be right, because "antidote" is a commonly used word, but I am > with Stefan here and I feel playing save can't be bad :-). What are the chances that the new name isn't a clash with somebody else somewhere? How far/wide do you search? Do you change again in a while when somebody surfaces? When does it end? I think typically folks w/ name clashes, who don't truly clash in product/concept/marketing typically just learn to ignore it and coexist. The Internet is too big for no clashes. Maybe call it org.apache.ant.idote or something. ;-) Surely Apache has run into this before, no? regards Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> I don't know much about trademark law, but doesn't it matter if their > trademark precedes our usage? I'm pretty sure I can't declare > "Red" to > be my trademark and then tell certain linux distributors that > they must > cease associating their product with mine... can I? You may be right, because "antidote" is a commonly used word, but I am with Stefan here and I feel playing save can't be bad :-). Greetings, Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Christoph Wilhelms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just want to tell you, that the President of the company "Druide" http://www.druide.com Eric Brunelle infomed me, that his company own the (not shure if just French or international) trademarks for the name "Antidote" in relation to computer software products. The name is "Apache Ant Antidote", so it's not exactly the same thing. But the fact that it's both about software, and that it's not the most widespread part of Ant, it might as well be renamed to play safe. If nobody is sticking to the name, let's play save and rename it. Exactly :-) -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
I don't know much about trademark law, but doesn't it matter if their trademark precedes our usage? I'm pretty sure I can't declare "Red" to be my trademark and then tell certain linux distributors that they must cease associating their product with mine... can I? -Gus Christoph Wilhelms wrote: Hi all! I just want to tell you, that the President of the company "Druide" http://www.druide.com Eric Brunelle infomed me, that his company own the (not shure if just French or international) trademarks for the name "Antidote" in relation to computer software products. If I understand correctly the purpose of this software (http://www.antidote.info) it is a spellchecking and thesaurus software for general purpose and has nothing in common with our "ANTidote". I proposed to let everything like it is, linking his URL from out Antidote project page to redirect the users of the other Antidote... Anyways: If we have to rename it, I propose to use a simple and gereic name like "Ant GUI". Additionally: Renaming sounds like a "not too bad" idea, because I found (using Google) some virus detection programs called "Antidote"... Thoughts!?! Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Christoph Wilhelms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just want to tell you, that the President of the company "Druide" > http://www.druide.com Eric Brunelle infomed me, that his company own > the (not shure if just French or international) trademarks for the > name "Antidote" in relation to computer software products. If nobody is sticking to the name, let's play save and rename it. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANTidote] possibly needs to be renamed!
Hi all! I just want to tell you, that the President of the company "Druide" http://www.druide.com Eric Brunelle infomed me, that his company own the (not shure if just French or international) trademarks for the name "Antidote" in relation to computer software products. If I understand correctly the purpose of this software (http://www.antidote.info) it is a spellchecking and thesaurus software for general purpose and has nothing in common with our "ANTidote". I proposed to let everything like it is, linking his URL from out Antidote project page to redirect the users of the other Antidote... Anyways: If we have to rename it, I propose to use a simple and gereic name like "Ant GUI". Additionally: Renaming sounds like a "not too bad" idea, because I found (using Google) some virus detection programs called "Antidote"... Thoughts!?! Christoph -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX FotoService Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.gmx.net +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
