Re: Can Anybody Fix our Logos?
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: Conor, Bruce, Dominique or Steve (or who else has been around in 2002) do you still have a vector format version of the logo around? Christoph Wilhelms may have, I could ping him if nobody else can find it. Sorry Stefan, I think this was before I got into Ant. Note also that my graphic designer skills are limited to MS Paint ;) --DD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
AW: Can Anybody Fix our Logos?
Does anybody have a correct Apache logo (with the tm)? I haven't found any for using as inspiration ... Jan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: AW: Can Anybody Fix our Logos?
On 17-11-2010 18:21, Jan Matrne wrote: Does anybody have a correct Apache logo (with the "tm")? I haven't found any for using as "inspiration" ... Jan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org Oh irony, not even the page having the instruction has a small TM in the logo. Well I've given it a try (using paint).
Re: Can Anybody Fix our Logos?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 02:13, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: Conor, Bruce, Dominique or Steve (or who else has been around in 2002) do you still have a vector format version of the logo around? Christoph Wilhelms may have, I could ping him if nobody else can find it. If it's not in svn then I don't have a copy since I've moved machines quite a few times since those days. I'll have a hunt around Conor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Can Anybody Fix our Logos?
Hi, according to http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#graphics our logos should contain small TM symbols. You really don't want me to enter the graphics department - and I won't. We have three ant_logo_*.gif files in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/core/trunk/docs/images/ but I'm afraid the _small and _medium files aren't any good since they don't even contain Apache. The _medium one could be turned into the equivalent of a powered by logo. Inside the same directory there also is project-logo.gif which needs to get the TM treatment. The alternative would be to put trade;s next to the logos on all pages, but having this as part of the logo would likely be the preferred option. Conor, Bruce, Dominique or Steve (or who else has been around in 2002) do you still have a vector format version of the logo around? Christoph Wilhelms may have, I could ping him if nobody else can find it. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Can Anybody Fix our Logos?
I'd have to go back in the archives, but I have a pretty clear recollection that while we had asked for a vector format for the logo after the contest winner was announced, none was available. I don't recall whether that was because we never got a response from Nick Wood or because the vector format had not been saved. Christoph had a scalable version which is how we got the logos we have now, but not in vector format. I don't recall ever seeing the scalable form of the logo, myself. That's my memory of it, anyway. It was a long time ago. On 16/11/2010 7:13 AM, Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi, according tohttp://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#graphics our logos should contain small TM symbols. You really don't want me to enter the graphics department - and I won't. We have three ant_logo_*.gif files in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/core/trunk/docs/images/ but I'm afraid the _small and _medium files aren't any good since they don't even contain Apache. The _medium one could be turned into the equivalent of a powered by logo. Inside the same directory there also is project-logo.gif which needs to get the TM treatment. The alternative would be to puttrade;s next to the logos on all pages, but having this as part of the logo would likely be the preferred option. Conor, Bruce, Dominique or Steve (or who else has been around in 2002) do you still have a vector format version of the logo around? Christoph Wilhelms may have, I could ping him if nobody else can find it. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Can Anybody Fix our Logos?
On 2010-11-17, Bruce Atherton wrote: I'd have to go back in the archives, but I have a pretty clear recollection that while we had asked for a vector format for the logo after the contest winner was announced, none was available. Quite possible, I don't find one in my own archives. I don't recall whether that was because we never got a response from Nick Wood or because the vector format had not been saved. s/Wood/King/ Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Can Anybody Fix our Logos?
On 2010-11-17, Stefan Bodewig wrote: On 2010-11-17, Bruce Atherton wrote: I'd have to go back in the archives, but I have a pretty clear recollection that while we had asked for a vector format for the logo after the contest winner was announced, none was available. Quite possible, I don't find one in my own archives. Thank you for checking, Bruce - yes it's been a very long time. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
AW: Does Anybody Have Some Unfinished Work for 1.8.0?
is anybody working on something that should go into 1.8.0 or could we start thinking about doing that release thingy more or less right now? I try to migrate the autoconf to use IntrospecitionHelper. But I wouldnt see that as Showstopper ... Jan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Does Anybody Have Some Unfinished Work for 1.8.0?
Hi all, is anybody working on something that should go into 1.8.0 or could we start thinking about doing that release thingy more or less right now? Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Does Anybody Have Some Unfinished Work for 1.8.0?
Hello Stefan, I am for doing the release thingy right now. You mentioned the documentation for the target-group. I guess it should go into docs/manual/using.html and running.html. I did not read the code and do not know what we should write ... Regards, Antoine Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi all, is anybody working on something that should go into 1.8.0 or could we start thinking about doing that release thingy more or less right now? Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Does Anybody Have Some Unfinished Work for 1.8.0?
On Monday 07 December 2009 16:49:15 Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi all, is anybody working on something that should go into 1.8.0 or could we start thinking about doing that release thingy more or less right now? Well, it is not especially work, but I would like to discuss again about target groups before they are released. More precisely I would like to reopen the thread called 'Maybe we should open up depends for all targets' [1]. I think we should do it. Let me get some time to gather my ideas so I can explain myself. I'll drop a mail soon. Nicolas [1] http://old.nabble.com/Maybe-we-should-open-up-%22depends%22-for-all-targets-p20603861.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Does Anybody Have Some Unfinished Work for 1.8.0?
On 2009-12-07, Nicolas Lalevée nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org wrote: On Monday 07 December 2009 16:49:15 Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi all, is anybody working on something that should go into 1.8.0 or could we start thinking about doing that release thingy more or less right now? Well, it is not especially work, but I would like to discuss again about target groups before they are released. Good. I intended to start such a discussion as preparation for writing the docs anyway. I'll drop a mail soon. Thank you Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Does Anybody Have Some Unfinished Work for 1.8.0?
On 2009-12-07, Antoine Levy Lambert anto...@gmx.de wrote: I am for doing the release thingy right now. it would still take a few days 8-) You mentioned the documentation for the target-group. I guess it should go into docs/manual/using.html and running.html. I'd prefer to break it into a page of its own by now (one page for both target and target-group). I did not read the code and do not know what we should write ... I'm not too sure myself as I'm not convinced that the current code base is what we want to release. Let's see that the thread Nicolas is going to start will leave us with. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
On 2009-03-01, Gilles Scokart gscok...@gmail.com wrote: I will be there, but only Wednesday and Thurday. Great, see you there. Maybe we should try to schedule an Ant/Ivy BOF for Wednesday evening. Then again Wednesday traditionally holds the key signing event, we'll see. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On 2009-02-05, Jimmy Zhao junmingz...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I think my talk is more like a workshop or tutorial, it might not so technical, but it would be interesting if people who want to know a new way to do testing -- via AntUnit. It may as well interesting to us who work on AntUnit to see hwo it is used outside of our little world of testing Ant tasks - and where you have found areas where AntUnit needs improverment for these other ideas. If possible, we would like to meet you there and hear your questions and ideas about how to make AntUnit better, and I will definitely like to contribute as best as I can. Looking forward to meething you and to your stronger involvement here. Stefan I will be there, one technical talk, one more, well, strategic. Not sorted out travel plans. If I make it to the hackathon I will probably be sitting on the hadoop table, though there are some needs there that I want to push back into ant, around junit work. when you are running jobs across a few hundred machines, your reporting needs change. -steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
On 2009-02-05, Jimmy Zhao junmingz...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I think my talk is more like a workshop or tutorial, it might not so technical, but it would be interesting if people who want to know a new way to do testing -- via AntUnit. It may as well interesting to us who work on AntUnit to see hwo it is used outside of our little world of testing Ant tasks - and where you have found areas where AntUnit needs improverment for these other ideas. If possible, we would like to meet you there and hear your questions and ideas about how to make AntUnit better, and I will definitely like to contribute as best as I can. Looking forward to meething you and to your stronger involvement here. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
hi all, I'm Jimmy (Junming Zhao). Thanks Stefan for the sidenote. It's really a great opportunity to have my talk accepted by the conference. Personally, I think my talk is more like a workshop or tutorial, it might not so technical, but it would be interesting if people who want to know a new way to do testing -- via AntUnit. If possible, we would like to meet you there and hear your questions and ideas about how to make AntUnit better, and I will definitely like to contribute as best as I can. - Jimmy bodewig-2 wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to set my priorities for ApacheCon (looks as if I could be there for a few days). In order to make anything useful out of the hackathon (apart from having a day for OSS hacking) I'd need anybody to partner with - so would anybody be there and if so, is there anything you'd like to work on? As a sidenote, Junming Zhao (who I've met shortly last year) is giving a talk on functional testing with AntUnit Friday morning - sounds promising. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Anybody-planning-to-attend-ApacheCon-in-Amsterdam-late-March--tp21684107p21855397.html Sent from the Ant - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
in case it influences anybody else's plans (why should it?), I've just registered for the three day conference package but arrive before Wednesday morning. Cheers Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
On 2009-01-29, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: registered for the three day conference package but arrive before Wednesday morning. that should have been won't arrive, sorry. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
Hi all, I'm trying to set my priorities for ApacheCon (looks as if I could be there for a few days). In order to make anything useful out of the hackathon (apart from having a day for OSS hacking) I'd need anybody to partner with - so would anybody be there and if so, is there anything you'd like to work on? As a sidenote, Junming Zhao (who I've met shortly last year) is giving a talk on functional testing with AntUnit Friday morning - sounds promising. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
Hi, I'm trying to set my priorities for ApacheCon (looks as if I could be there for a few days). In order to make anything useful out of the hackathon (apart from having a day for OSS hacking) I'd need anybody to partner with - so would anybody be there and if so, is there anything you'd like to work on? I'm hoping to be there - depends on the priorities of the company. I'd be happy to work on anything - just working on Ant for a change would be good! As a sidenote, Junming Zhao (who I've met shortly last year) is giving a talk on functional testing with AntUnit Friday morning - sounds promising. I'd be very interested in this Kev - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@ant.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@ant.apache.org
Re: Anybody planning to attend ApacheCon in Amsterdam late March?
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Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking back at this again, I think having the number formatted according to the US Locale would be more confusing than by the default Locale, speaking without the perspective of a person who typically uses e.g. . as a thousands separator and , as a decimal separator. I am one of those people and to me it is more confusing to have Ant use German number formatting but say minutes instead of Minuten. (well, would be since I haven't seen builds taking 1000 minutes myself). When copying files we don't use a number format at all and thus end up with a pure number without any separators at all. I wouldn't expect that too many builds take tens of thousands of minutes so a number with or without thousands separator may be as readable as the other in out case. AFAICT making the thousands separator go away takes the same amount of coding effort as making it use the US locale. I use a logger that tells me when the build finished; this is so that when I switch to different windows and back I can see if a build was recent or not. There's a good case for making the date/time info localised, if you want to do everything properly. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
--- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAICT making the thousands separator go away takes the same amount of coding effort as making it use the US locale. Agreed wrt required effort; I also agree that no thousands separator is preferable to ambiguity. I had shown a way to get rid of the thousands separator in my initial post and just forgot about it. It's gone now. The thing about using a pattern of #s big enough to accommodate Long.MAX_VALUE / 6? Another option is to provide localization bundles, but that's obviously a MUCH larger task. ;) And something I wouldn't want to do. I remember that I had a hard time when I first encountered a localized AIX system and my terminal told me there was a Rundsendenachricht von root - it took me pretty long to translate that back into broadcast message and understand what the message was supposed to say. Damned Americans. :) -Matt Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had shown a way to get rid of the thousands separator in my initial post and just forgot about it. It's gone now. The thing about using a pattern of #s big enough to accommodate Long.MAX_VALUE / 6? Yep. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking back at this again, I think having the number formatted according to the US Locale would be more confusing than by the default Locale, speaking without the perspective of a person who typically uses e.g. . as a thousands separator and , as a decimal separator. I am one of those people and to me it is more confusing to have Ant use German number formatting but say minutes instead of Minuten. (well, would be since I haven't seen builds taking 1000 minutes myself). When copying files we don't use a number format at all and thus end up with a pure number without any separators at all. I wouldn't expect that too many builds take tens of thousands of minutes so a number with or without thousands separator may be as readable as the other in out case. AFAICT making the thousands separator go away takes the same amount of coding effort as making it use the US locale. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
--- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking back at this again, I think having the number formatted according to the US Locale would be more confusing than by the default Locale, speaking without the perspective of a person who typically uses e.g. . as a thousands separator and , as a decimal separator. I am one of those people and to me it is more confusing to have Ant use German number formatting but say minutes instead of Minuten. (well, would be since I haven't seen builds taking 1000 minutes myself). When copying files we don't use a number format at all and thus end up with a pure number without any separators at all. I wouldn't expect that too many builds take tens of thousands of minutes so a number with or without thousands separator may be as readable as the other in out case. AFAICT making the thousands separator go away takes the same amount of coding effort as making it use the US locale. Agreed wrt required effort; I also agree that no thousands separator is preferable to ambiguity. Another option is to provide localization bundles, but that's obviously a MUCH larger task. ;) -Matt Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAICT making the thousands separator go away takes the same amount of coding effort as making it use the US locale. Agreed wrt required effort; I also agree that no thousands separator is preferable to ambiguity. I had shown a way to get rid of the thousands separator in my initial post and just forgot about it. It's gone now. Another option is to provide localization bundles, but that's obviously a MUCH larger task. ;) And something I wouldn't want to do. I remember that I had a hard time when I first encountered a localized AIX system and my terminal told me there was a Rundsendenachricht von root - it took me pretty long to translate that back into broadcast message and understand what the message was supposed to say. Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
Looking back at this again, I think having the number
formatted according to the US Locale would be more
confusing than by the default Locale, speaking without
the perspective of a person who typically uses e.g. .
as a thousands separator and , as a decimal separator.
If it were up to me I'd mark this issue INVALID and
be done with it. Maybe we should vote on it, though,
since again, I'm in the minority as a US-based Ant
team member (am I the only active US member?).
-Matt
--- Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oops... I was obviously on crack when I wrote that.
That's what I get for trying to figure that out in a
hurry... Sorry!
-Matt
--- Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You may be able to call
MINUTES_FORMAT.setNumberFormat(NumberFormat.getNumberInstance(Locale.US)).
-Matt
--- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
DateUtils.formatElapsedTime returns different
results depending on the
current locale if the time is bigger than 1000
minutes.
Under the covers we use a MessageFormat
private static final MessageFormat
MINUTE_SECONDS
= new MessageFormat({0}{1});
where {0} is set to be
private static final ChoiceFormat
MINUTES_FORMAT
=
new ChoiceFormat(LIMITS,
MINUTES_PART);
and MINUTES_PART is
private static final String[] MINUTES_PART =
{, 1 minute , {0,number} minutes };
ChoiceFormat doesn't provide any way to set the
Locale and setting it
on the outer MessageFormat doesn't have any
effect. ChoiceFormat
does provide a getFormats method that return
Object[] and I hoped it
would return the DecimalFormat instance used in
the
last case, but it
just returns the same String[] passed in (wonder
why
it returns an
Object[]).
Setting setGroupingUsed on the choice format
doesn't
have any effect
either and I don't see a way to specify either
the
locale or the
grouping inside the pattern - well, unless I use
a
pattern like
### (Long.MAX_VALUE / 60 / 1000
should
fit into this).
My preference would be to use Locale.US since
the
text for minute is
English anyway. Does anybody see a cleaner way
than
either use the
pattern above or implementing the logic of
ChoiceFormat ourselves?
Stefan
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Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
Hi all,
DateUtils.formatElapsedTime returns different results depending on the
current locale if the time is bigger than 1000 minutes.
Under the covers we use a MessageFormat
private static final MessageFormat MINUTE_SECONDS
= new MessageFormat({0}{1});
where {0} is set to be
private static final ChoiceFormat MINUTES_FORMAT =
new ChoiceFormat(LIMITS, MINUTES_PART);
and MINUTES_PART is
private static final String[] MINUTES_PART = {, 1 minute , {0,number}
minutes };
ChoiceFormat doesn't provide any way to set the Locale and setting it
on the outer MessageFormat doesn't have any effect. ChoiceFormat
does provide a getFormats method that return Object[] and I hoped it
would return the DecimalFormat instance used in the last case, but it
just returns the same String[] passed in (wonder why it returns an
Object[]).
Setting setGroupingUsed on the choice format doesn't have any effect
either and I don't see a way to specify either the locale or the
grouping inside the pattern - well, unless I use a pattern like
### (Long.MAX_VALUE / 60 / 1000 should fit into this).
My preference would be to use Locale.US since the text for minute is
English anyway. Does anybody see a cleaner way than either use the
pattern above or implementing the logic of ChoiceFormat ourselves?
Stefan
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Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
You may be able to call
MINUTES_FORMAT.setNumberFormat(NumberFormat.getNumberInstance(Locale.US)).
-Matt
--- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
DateUtils.formatElapsedTime returns different
results depending on the
current locale if the time is bigger than 1000
minutes.
Under the covers we use a MessageFormat
private static final MessageFormat
MINUTE_SECONDS
= new MessageFormat({0}{1});
where {0} is set to be
private static final ChoiceFormat MINUTES_FORMAT
=
new ChoiceFormat(LIMITS, MINUTES_PART);
and MINUTES_PART is
private static final String[] MINUTES_PART =
{, 1 minute , {0,number} minutes };
ChoiceFormat doesn't provide any way to set the
Locale and setting it
on the outer MessageFormat doesn't have any
effect. ChoiceFormat
does provide a getFormats method that return
Object[] and I hoped it
would return the DecimalFormat instance used in the
last case, but it
just returns the same String[] passed in (wonder why
it returns an
Object[]).
Setting setGroupingUsed on the choice format doesn't
have any effect
either and I don't see a way to specify either the
locale or the
grouping inside the pattern - well, unless I use a
pattern like
### (Long.MAX_VALUE / 60 / 1000 should
fit into this).
My preference would be to use Locale.US since the
text for minute is
English anyway. Does anybody see a cleaner way than
either use the
pattern above or implementing the logic of
ChoiceFormat ourselves?
Stefan
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Re: Anybody familiar with ChoiceFormat? Issue 44659
Oops... I was obviously on crack when I wrote that.
That's what I get for trying to figure that out in a
hurry... Sorry!
-Matt
--- Matt Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You may be able to call
MINUTES_FORMAT.setNumberFormat(NumberFormat.getNumberInstance(Locale.US)).
-Matt
--- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
DateUtils.formatElapsedTime returns different
results depending on the
current locale if the time is bigger than 1000
minutes.
Under the covers we use a MessageFormat
private static final MessageFormat
MINUTE_SECONDS
= new MessageFormat({0}{1});
where {0} is set to be
private static final ChoiceFormat
MINUTES_FORMAT
=
new ChoiceFormat(LIMITS,
MINUTES_PART);
and MINUTES_PART is
private static final String[] MINUTES_PART =
{, 1 minute , {0,number} minutes };
ChoiceFormat doesn't provide any way to set the
Locale and setting it
on the outer MessageFormat doesn't have any
effect. ChoiceFormat
does provide a getFormats method that return
Object[] and I hoped it
would return the DecimalFormat instance used in
the
last case, but it
just returns the same String[] passed in (wonder
why
it returns an
Object[]).
Setting setGroupingUsed on the choice format
doesn't
have any effect
either and I don't see a way to specify either the
locale or the
grouping inside the pattern - well, unless I use a
pattern like
### (Long.MAX_VALUE / 60 / 1000 should
fit into this).
My preference would be to use Locale.US since the
text for minute is
English anyway. Does anybody see a cleaner way
than
either use the
pattern above or implementing the logic of
ChoiceFormat ourselves?
Stefan
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Re: Anybody?
Filip Balas wrote: I see... it's funny that you need Ant to build Ant properly... It would seem to me that if you need to debug something about a Tool, you can't really use it the Tool to build itself could you? Requiring something else to build Ant would be even stranger for me :) The technique of bootstrapping a system in this way is actually quite common in things like compilers, which are often written in their own language. That is what the bootstrap scripts are about. Conor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Anybody?
Thanks, I'm just not getting any messages whatsoever, other than the one you just sent... I found that rather strange if there are 'lots of folks' on the list. Is there any reason why Ant is using such old libraries? (ie. Xalan 1.0 when 2.6 is available) Filip -Original Message- From: Matt Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 1:54 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: Re: Anybody? --- Filip Balas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody on this list? Lots of folks... -Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anybody?
You are asking a user question on the developer list. Try asking your question about getting resources to build Ant on the users list. -Original Message- From: Filip Balas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:52 PM To: Ant Developer Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Anybody? Is anybody on this list? Filip Balas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anybody?
--- Filip Balas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I'm just not getting any messages whatsoever, other than the one you just sent... I found that rather strange if there are 'lots of folks' on the list. Is there any reason why Ant is using such old libraries? (ie. Xalan 1.0 when 2.6 is available) Pardon my ignorance, but where is Ant explicitly using a particular version of Xalan? -Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anybody?
Why would a User have any interest in Building Ant? This is a developer question as building Ant is what a developer does, a User simply installs and uses a built version of Ant. Therefore the question is to the appropriate group. -Filip -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:10 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: RE: Anybody? You are asking a user question on the developer list. Try asking your question about getting resources to build Ant on the users list. -Original Message- From: Filip Balas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:52 PM To: Ant Developer Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Anybody? Is anybody on this list? Filip Balas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anybody?
In the following 2 files: Xalan1Executor.java XslpLiaison.java import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTInputSource; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessor; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessorFactory; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTResultTarget; PS I don't know what anything does, I'm just trying to get this thing to compile so I can start trying to understand it as I play... this is proving non-trivial. It is concerning how many dependancies Ant has on other projects, is this normal for open source? -Filip -Original Message- From: Matt Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:16 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: RE: Anybody? --- Filip Balas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I'm just not getting any messages whatsoever, other than the one you just sent... I found that rather strange if there are 'lots of folks' on the list. Is there any reason why Ant is using such old libraries? (ie. Xalan 1.0 when 2.6 is available) Pardon my ignorance, but where is Ant explicitly using a particular version of Xalan? -Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anybody?
Ant has very little in the way of dependencies. If you are unable to build Ant from source, it's not because of the external dependencies. Back up and tell us how you are trying to do the build. -Matt --- Filip Balas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the following 2 files: Xalan1Executor.java XslpLiaison.java import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTInputSource; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessor; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessorFactory; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTResultTarget; PS I don't know what anything does, I'm just trying to get this thing to compile so I can start trying to understand it as I play... this is proving non-trivial. It is concerning how many dependancies Ant has on other projects, is this normal for open source? -Filip -Original Message- From: Matt Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:16 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: RE: Anybody? --- Filip Balas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I'm just not getting any messages whatsoever, other than the one you just sent... I found that rather strange if there are 'lots of folks' on the list. Is there any reason why Ant is using such old libraries? (ie. Xalan 1.0 when 2.6 is available) Pardon my ignorance, but where is Ant explicitly using a particular version of Xalan? -Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anybody?
Well the way I'm trying to do the build is simply importing the source folder into an eclipse project and trying to build it. When you do that, there are over 20 libraries (I stopped after that and and started excluding files) that you need to make it compile. I'm guessing that since it is percieved that Ant has little in the way of dependencies, that the dependencies that I encountered must be for optional tasks that are not normally built, but are included in the source anyway. Since this is my first time ever looking at the ant source, I was unaware of what should and shouldn't be compiled (not much in the way of documentation on that). But you live, you learn... Cheers, Filip -Original Message- From: Matt Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:02 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: RE: Anybody? Ant has very little in the way of dependencies. If you are unable to build Ant from source, it's not because of the external dependencies. Back up and tell us how you are trying to do the build. -Matt --- Filip Balas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the following 2 files: Xalan1Executor.java XslpLiaison.java import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTInputSource; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessor; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessorFactory; import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTResultTarget; PS I don't know what anything does, I'm just trying to get this thing to compile so I can start trying to understand it as I play... this is proving non-trivial. It is concerning how many dependancies Ant has on other projects, is this normal for open source? -Filip -Original Message- From: Matt Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:16 PM To: Ant Developers List Subject: RE: Anybody? --- Filip Balas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I'm just not getting any messages whatsoever, other than the one you just sent... I found that rather strange if there are 'lots of folks' on the list. Is there any reason why Ant is using such old libraries? (ie. Xalan 1.0 when 2.6 is available) Pardon my ignorance, but where is Ant explicitly using a particular version of Xalan? -Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anybody?
Filip Balas wrote:
In the following 2 files:
Xalan1Executor.java
XslpLiaison.java
import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTInputSource;
import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessor;
import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessorFactory;
import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTResultTarget;
PS
I don't know what anything does, I'm just trying
to get this thing to compile so I can start trying
to understand it as I play... this is proving
non-trivial.
It is concerning how many dependancies Ant has
on other projects, is this normal for open source?
These items are present for backward compatibility. Some may be
candidates for retirement but not everyone is in a position to be using
the latest and greatest version of each component.
Ant has many *optional* external dependencies but they are managed by
the Ant build file. If they are not present you get an Ant build without
them. How are you trying to build this stuff? Is it with Ant?
To give you some idea, check out these components in the Ant build as an
example
selector id=needs.xslp
filename name=${optional.package}/XslpLiaison*/
/selector
available property=xslp.present
classname=com.kvisco.xsl.XSLProcessor
classpathref=classpath/
selector refid=needs.xslp unless=xslp.present/
These are from different parts of Ant's build - try searching for xslp
or xalan1.
Conor
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RE: Anybody?
I see... it's funny that you need Ant to build Ant
properly... It would seem to me that if you
need to debug something about a Tool, you can't
really use it the Tool to build itself could you?
But anyway, you are right... I should have
used the build file. Newbie mistake, didn't
realize that the tool would use itself to
build.
Thanks for the patience,
Filip
Turns out my problem isn't with Ant but with
the URL encoder in java... Ant Uses it and hence
I thought it was an ant problem... but Ant is
now vindicated :D
-Original Message-
From: Conor MacNeill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:45 PM
To: Ant Developers List
Subject: Re: Anybody?
Filip Balas wrote:
In the following 2 files:
Xalan1Executor.java
XslpLiaison.java
import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTInputSource;
import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessor;
import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTProcessorFactory;
import org.apache.xalan.xslt.XSLTResultTarget;
PS
I don't know what anything does, I'm just trying
to get this thing to compile so I can start trying
to understand it as I play... this is proving
non-trivial.
It is concerning how many dependancies Ant has
on other projects, is this normal for open source?
These items are present for backward compatibility. Some may be
candidates for retirement but not everyone is in a position to be using
the latest and greatest version of each component.
Ant has many *optional* external dependencies but they are managed by
the Ant build file. If they are not present you get an Ant build without
them. How are you trying to build this stuff? Is it with Ant?
To give you some idea, check out these components in the Ant build as an
example
selector id=needs.xslp
filename name=${optional.package}/XslpLiaison*/
/selector
available property=xslp.present
classname=com.kvisco.xsl.XSLProcessor
classpathref=classpath/
selector refid=needs.xslp unless=xslp.present/
These are from different parts of Ant's build - try searching for xslp
or xalan1.
Conor
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