Re: [api-dev] AWT TREE: OOoBasic version of the ScriptSelector example
Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Bernard, I don't want to start a troll, but the service com.sun.star.sheet.Spreadsheet is _unpublished_ since a long time, see http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sheet/Spreadsheet.html Hmm, okay, and what does this tell us? i would say that it is more a bug because this service is really old, isn't it. The change mentioned by Christian would be of course a valid change and fits in the current existing definition of published/unpublished API's. The concept of unpublished was introduced for cases such as the Childs/Children: The interface has a flaw, which can be fixed easily, and does not require substantial effort for the clients if fixed. I much prefer doing this small innocent fix for the next release, at the cost of some scripts to be adjusted, over being annoying by the current spelling error for the next *years* (finally, it looks somewhat unprofessional, doesn't it?). Yes, we don't have a mechanism in place which ensures that APIs become published after a while, which leads to APIs such as the one you mentioned. On the other hand, I doubt that anybody will do a severe incompatible change to Spreadsheet or Shape, I think people are responsible enough to recognize that this would be a bad idea, after the API has been there for years. but of course we strongly recommend that API's that are introduced to be used by clients ... should be published after 2-3 releases. Ok, we have also no clear concept for private API's which results in some types that are more or less private and that will remain as unpublished. But anyway it should be a minority. On yet another hand, I personally would not like to declare any service as published as long as this forbids even minor and innocent changes which do not cause any trouble to any client, but that's another story which I perhaps should not start again, here :-\ thanks, but you should sometimes switch the glasses and should take a look on the whole thing from a user perspective. We have both users and developers and from a user perspective it is a cool feature to have compatible API's. And please don't misunderstand me i can also understand our developers and that is the reason why we again try to find a working or practicable compromise. Anyway it is on my todo wish list to check frequently our unpublished API's and i will ask for reasons why they are not published or why they should be remain unpublished ;-) Juergen Ciao Frank - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [api-dev] AWT TREE: OOoBasic version of the ScriptSelector example
Laurent Godard wrote: Hi This will be fixed for OOo 2.4. So please be aware that an incompatible change to the interface is comming. Why incompatible ? Mark it as deprecated, no ? What about people starting using this and seeing their code not working anymore after a new OOo Version. We should avoid this This is an unpublished interface. That means that people using it must be aware of at least some small changes in the near future. Otherwise we don't need to distinguish between published and unpublished interfaces. People using unpublished interfaces should subscribe to the interface-announce mailing list where all changes are reported. A change like the one mentioned by Christian is so trivial that it shouldn't be a big problem. And the interface was introduced in 2.3 so only a few people will be using it at all. And if they are subscribed to this list they now know that there will be this small change. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [api-dev] AWT TREE: OOoBasic version of the ScriptSelector example
Message de Mathias Bauer date 2007-09-22 10:38 : Laurent Godard wrote: Hi This will be fixed for OOo 2.4. So please be aware that an incompatible change to the interface is comming. Why incompatible ? Mark it as deprecated, no ? What about people starting using this and seeing their code not working anymore after a new OOo Version. We should avoid this This is an unpublished interface. That means that people using it must be aware of at least some small changes in the near future. Otherwise we don't need to distinguish between published and unpublished interfaces. People using unpublished interfaces should subscribe to the interface-announce mailing list where all changes are reported. A change like the one mentioned by Christian is so trivial that it shouldn't be a big problem. And the interface was introduced in 2.3 so only a few people will be using it at all. And if they are subscribed to this list they now know that there will be this small change. Ciao, Mathias Hi, I don't want to start a troll, but the service com.sun.star.sheet.Spreadsheet is _unpublished_ since a long time, see http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sheet/Spreadsheet.html Same for the service com.sun.star.sheet.Shape Regards Bernard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [api-dev] AWT TREE: OOoBasic version of the ScriptSelector example
Hi Bernard, I don't want to start a troll, but the service com.sun.star.sheet.Spreadsheet is _unpublished_ since a long time, see http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sheet/Spreadsheet.html Hmm, okay, and what does this tell us? The concept of unpublished was introduced for cases such as the Childs/Children: The interface has a flaw, which can be fixed easily, and does not require substantial effort for the clients if fixed. I much prefer doing this small innocent fix for the next release, at the cost of some scripts to be adjusted, over being annoying by the current spelling error for the next *years* (finally, it looks somewhat unprofessional, doesn't it?). Yes, we don't have a mechanism in place which ensures that APIs become published after a while, which leads to APIs such as the one you mentioned. On the other hand, I doubt that anybody will do a severe incompatible change to Spreadsheet or Shape, I think people are responsible enough to recognize that this would be a bad idea, after the API has been there for years. On yet another hand, I personally would not like to declare any service as published as long as this forbids even minor and innocent changes which do not cause any trouble to any client, but that's another story which I perhaps should not start again, here :-\ Ciao Frank -- - Frank Schönheit, Software Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Sun Microsystems http://www.sun.com/staroffice - - OpenOffice.org Base http://dba.openoffice.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [api-dev] AWT TREE: OOoBasic version of the ScriptSelector example
Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: PS 2: though my English is very me-Tarzan-you-Jane, No, your English is much better than that. isn't it wrong Childs as plural of Child, instead of Children? Children is the correct plural for Child. The Java API uses Children for the plural ( z.B. DefaultMutableTreeNode.allowsChildren , .children, .getAllowsChildren() ... ), OOo API Childs. This will be fixed for OOo 2.4. So please be aware that an incompatible change to the interface is comming. Regards, Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [api-dev] AWT TREE: OOoBasic version of the ScriptSelector example
Hi This will be fixed for OOo 2.4. So please be aware that an incompatible change to the interface is comming. Why incompatible ? Mark it as deprecated, no ? What about people starting using this and seeing their code not working anymore after a new OOo Version. We should avoid this Laurent -- Laurent Godard [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Ingénierie OpenOffice.org - http://www.indesko.com Nuxeo Enterprise Content Management http://www.nuxeo.com - http://www.nuxeo.org Livre Programmation OpenOffice.org, Eyrolles 2004-2006 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[api-dev] AWT TREE: OOoBasic version of the ScriptSelector example
Hello people I continue working with the tree control. As a first result of a fast reading of the IDL, I have adapted the Scripting Framework example on the Developer's Guide OpenOffice.org_2.3_SDK/examples/DevelopersGuide/ScriptingFramework/ScriptSelector/ScriptSelector You can find it here: http://www.arielconstenlahaile.com.ar/ooo/docs/TREE_CONTROL.zip I did it very fast, so I'm not completely sure if it works 100% (I didn't test the Scripting Framework API) and the code is not very clean. You can test it on your own. And of course there will be some Java examples implementing the XTreeDataModel. Once I'm sure I understand everything (besides the differences, it's not so difficult if you're used to the JTree), I hope I could write a short tutorial on this topic (in Spanish and English): I have recived ten mails yesterday from my web site asking how to use it, they were surprised that this feature is available but there is no documentation at all (no API ref., and most important: no OOo Help at all!!!). In this situation, the common user with no programming knowledge at all gets disappointed when he/she can draw a control on the Basic IDE, but it has no functionality at all (not even a sample tree drawn in the control, as in the NetBeans IDE). Bye and thanks. PS 1: do you know who wrote the ScriptSelector, so I give him/her the credit in my HOW-TO? PS 2: though my English is very me-Tarzan-you-Jane, isn't it wrong Childs as plural of Child, instead of Children? The Java API uses Children for the plural ( z.B. DefaultMutableTreeNode.allowsChildren , .children, .getAllowsChildren() ... ), OOo API Childs. -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.arielconstenlahaile.com.ar/ooo/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [api-dev] AWT TREE: OOoBasic version of the ScriptSelector example
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: PS 2: though my English is very me-Tarzan-you-Jane, No, your English is much better than that. isn't it wrong Childs as plural of Child, instead of Children? Children is the correct plural for Child. The Java API uses Children for the plural ( z.B. DefaultMutableTreeNode.allowsChildren , .children, .getAllowsChildren() ... ), OOo API Childs. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt My Book: http://www.hentzenwerke.com/catalog/oome.htm Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php See Also: http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
