Re: CentOS 8 EOL

[Sven Vogel]

Hi Guys,

So for what I know is that the last enterprise stable and ready version is 8.X. 
After that it will be a stream Version.
A reliable system would be RHEL as a commercial one and Rocky Linux as a exact 
successor from CentOS or let’s say binary clone from RHEL.

Since CloudStack support RHEL and in the newest release of Rocky there is no 
reason to support more CentOS Stream in the future.

Personally. Rocky takes the place. Gregory Kurtzer a founder from CentOS was 
too the founder from Rocky Linux. I think it’s a good place in replacement. The 
move from Red Hat was Open Source mind not a good decision but from financial 
aspect a good move but it was to be expected.

Cheers

Sven

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Von: Ron Wheeler 
Gesendet: Monday, December 20, 2021 8:54:25 PM
An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org 
Betreff: Re: CentOS 8 EOL

If you are suggesting that ACS picked a version of Linux, supported it
with an update repo and guaranteed that it would run forever under ACS
as long as you kept up with the ACS published updates, that might solve
a lot of problems for system administrators.
At least there would be a "recommended" Linux that ACS guaranteed would
run under Cloudstack.

Are there a lot of different functionalities in the various Linux
versions that make a difference when running applications under Cloudstack?

Can one pick a Linux distribution that would run all the apps that 95%
of Cloudstack users actually need? It seems that a lot of the
differences in Linux distributions are in the desktop apps.

Ron

On 2021-12-20 10:18, Nathan McGarvey wrote:
> All/any,
>  Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions, I'm
> not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like supporting
> CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running. You'd
> have to only support the "latest" version as of , which might
> be chaos.
>
>  Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at least
> for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
> 1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and Rocky
> has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
>  Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
> manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long track
> record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.
>
>  Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
> actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't really
> matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
> what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
> puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS requirement.
>
>
> Thanks,
> -Nathan McGarvey
>
>
>
>
> On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year 
>> -https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
>>
>> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we drop 
>> support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nicolas Vazquez
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: CentOS 8 EOL

[Ron Wheeler]

If you are suggesting that ACS picked a version of Linux, supported it 
with an update repo and guaranteed that it would run forever under ACS 
as long as you kept up with the ACS published updates, that might solve 
a lot of problems for system administrators.
At least there would be a "recommended" Linux that ACS guaranteed would 
run under Cloudstack.


Are there a lot of different functionalities in the various Linux 
versions that make a difference when running applications under Cloudstack?


Can one pick a Linux distribution that would run all the apps that 95% 
of Cloudstack users actually need? It seems that a lot of the 
differences in Linux distributions are in the desktop apps.


Ron

On 2021-12-20 10:18, Nathan McGarvey wrote:

All/any,
 Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions, I'm
not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like supporting
CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running. You'd
have to only support the "latest" version as of , which might
be chaos.

 Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at least
for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and Rocky
has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
 Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long track
record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.

 Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't really
matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS requirement.


Thanks,
-Nathan McGarvey




On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:

Hi all,

CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year 
-https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/

Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we drop 
support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?

Regards,
Nicolas Vazquez


  





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Re: CentOS 8 EOL

[Nathan McGarvey]

All/any,
Realistically, since CentOS Stream doesn't have minor versions, I'm
not really sure how you *could* support it. It would be like supporting
CentOS 7.0-7.9, but not knowing which version someone is running. You'd
have to only support the "latest" version as of , which might
be chaos.

Both Rocky and Alma have fairly decent corporate backers, at least
for the immediate term. (Alma being their parent company pledging
1M/year at least until 2029 to finish out the 8 release cycle, and Rocky
has about 2M/year at the moment, but could flex more.)
Even Oracle, with their RHEL rebuild could be used in a similar
manner, though I'd probably not recommend them due to their long track
record of open-source interactions being less-than-ideal.

Perhaps ACS can just pick one of the rebuilds (E.g. Rocky), but
actually publish stuff as just "EL" like EPEL does? It shouldn't really
matter, aside from /etc/os-release files and such. Perhaps ACS can do
what many utilities do and make a "OS Family" determination (Ref:
puppet, ansible, etc.) Instead of a strict "exact same" OS requirement.


Thanks,
-Nathan McGarvey




On 12/16/21 10:40 AM, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year - 
> https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/
> 
> Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we drop 
> support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?
> 
> Regards,
> Nicolas Vazquez
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 

Re: CentOS 8 EOL

[nux]

IMHO we should not drop support for CentOS Stream, at least not yet.

I do not see any of the other clones becoming properly established or 
vetted, in fact it's rather tragi-comical that at this point in time the 
most respectable clone is in fact Oracle's..


My 2p

On 2021-12-16 16:40, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:

Hi all,

CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year -
https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/

Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we
drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?

Regards,
Nicolas Vazquez

Re: CentOS 8 EOL

[Ron Wheeler]

I was not contemplating leaving Linux so your notes about other Linux 
options is very relevant.


It sounds like you are not concerned that CentOS Stream will be part of 
the QA process for RHEL and have occasional hiccups when updates are 
issued to the LTS version.


Ron


On 2021-12-20 06:51, n...@li.nux.ro wrote:

Hi Ron,

I wouldn't worry about it as much. Although the PR was "managed" 
horribly by RedHat, in technical terms I don't think the situation is 
as dire as it seems.


First of all, CentOS Stream is supported for 5 years, this is as good 
as Ubuntu LTS and knowing RedHat the QA will be much better than 
Canonical's. In fact, CERN deemed it good enough for their use, so if 
Stream is good enough to literally split the atom, then I don't know 
what other endorsement it needs.[1]


Second, there are already many RHEL clones out there, Oracle 
Unbreakable Linux, AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, plenty to choose from.


And if the situation is still too shaky for your boss, then you could 
always go Ubuntu LTS and last, but not least Debian which is super 
stable and also with 5 years life time.


[1] - 
https://indico.cern.ch/event/1070475/contributions/4511844/attachments/2309304/3929738/lfc03-20210915-NoNDA.pdf



On 2021-12-16 19:36, Ron Wheeler wrote:

As a long-time Centos user, I fear that my company will have to
abandon Centos since Centos is going from a stable, tested system to a
test bed.

This is not really a good move for anyone wanting a reliable 
production system.


It is hard to imaging why anyone would want Centos Steam for 
production use.


Ron

On 2021-12-16 11:40, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:

Hi all,

CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year 
-https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/


Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we 
drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?


Regards,
Nicolas Vazquez





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[GitHub] [cloudstack-www] rhtyd commented on a change in pull request #88: Survey layout

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rhtyd commented on a change in pull request #88:
URL: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack-www/pull/88#discussion_r772324456



##
File path: source/survey.html.markdown
##
@@ -16,6 +16,6 @@ title: Apache CloudStack Survey
 
 
 
-https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScPHIRetdt-pxPT62IesXMoQUmhQ8ATGKcYZa507mB9uwzn-Q/viewform?embedded=true;
 width="640" height="6194" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0">
+https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScPHIRetdt-pxPT62IesXMoQUmhQ8ATGKcYZa507mB9uwzn-Q/viewform?embedded=true;
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Review comment:
   I tested it doesn't work, and adds v/h scroll bars if width is not set 
to 100%




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Re: CentOS 8 EOL

[nux]

Hi Ron,

I wouldn't worry about it as much. Although the PR was "managed" 
horribly by RedHat, in technical terms I don't think the situation is as 
dire as it seems.


First of all, CentOS Stream is supported for 5 years, this is as good as 
Ubuntu LTS and knowing RedHat the QA will be much better than 
Canonical's. In fact, CERN deemed it good enough for their use, so if 
Stream is good enough to literally split the atom, then I don't know 
what other endorsement it needs.[1]


Second, there are already many RHEL clones out there, Oracle Unbreakable 
Linux, AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, plenty to choose from.


And if the situation is still too shaky for your boss, then you could 
always go Ubuntu LTS and last, but not least Debian which is super 
stable and also with 5 years life time.


[1] - 
https://indico.cern.ch/event/1070475/contributions/4511844/attachments/2309304/3929738/lfc03-20210915-NoNDA.pdf



On 2021-12-16 19:36, Ron Wheeler wrote:

As a long-time Centos user, I fear that my company will have to
abandon Centos since Centos is going from a stable, tested system to a
test bed.

This is not really a good move for anyone wanting a reliable production 
system.


It is hard to imaging why anyone would want Centos Steam for production 
use.


Ron

On 2021-12-16 11:40, Nicolas Vazquez wrote:

Hi all,

CentOS 8 will reach EOL on 31st December this year 
-https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/


Opening this thread for discussion on the actions needed: should we 
drop support on the next 4.16.1 release and onwards?


Regards,
Nicolas Vazquez

[GitHub] [cloudstack-www] rhtyd merged pull request #87: the new survey

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rhtyd commented on a change in pull request #87:
URL: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack-www/pull/87#discussion_r772258030



##
File path: source/index.html.erb
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+
+
+  
+Take the Apache CloudStack user survey!
+  
+  
+Participate in the Apache CloudStack User Survey and help us build 
the Ainnual State of CloudStack Report.

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URL: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack-www/pull/87#discussion_r772257758



##
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+https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScPHIRetdt-pxPT62IesXMoQUmhQ8ATGKcYZa507mB9uwzn-Q/viewform?embedded=true”
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[DISCUSS] Enable UEFI support on Trillian

[Slavka Peleva]

Hello everyone,

It will be great if Trillian supports hosts with UEFI enabled. This could
avoid code changes that break UEFI functionality unintentionally. There are
already tests for UEFI included in Marvin.

Best regards,
Slavka