Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-06-13 Thread Rohit Yadav 
All,


Thanks for voting. Based on the voting, we have an 11/11 majority and agree 
that el6 support (management server, usage server, KVM host) will be removed in 
future CloudStack 4.14. I'll submit a PR after 4.13.


For reference, the vote counts are as follows:


1 x +1 (binding) - Paul


10 x +1 - Dag, Anurag, Wei, Bobby, Erik, Sven, Andrija, Wido, Pierre-Luc, Gregor


0 x 0 - none


0 x -1 - none



Regards,

Rohit Yadav

Software Architect, ShapeBlue

https://www.shapeblue.com


From: Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 7:56:11 PM
To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: 
[DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

+1

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Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-22 Thread Ron Wheeler 

+1

On 2019-05-21 8:25 a.m., Pierre-Luc Dion wrote:

+1

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:18 AM Wido den Hollander  wrote:


+1

On 5/21/19 11:40 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:

All,


Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed

so far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to
upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.


Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:


- Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last

ones to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host,
but users are discouraged from using them

- Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that

we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14
and onwards

- After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs,

packaging scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch


[ ] +1 approve
[ ] +0 no opinion
[ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)


** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.


Thanks.



Regards,

Rohit Yadav

Software Architect, ShapeBlue

https://www.shapeblue.com



From: Erik Weber 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
To: dev
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14

CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
another ~4-6 months either.

--
Erik

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
 wrote:

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS

CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
CentOS 7 EOL is 2024


+1 for removing support for CentOS 6.

As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
and how to make any changes to applications.

Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.

Ron

On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:

As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
it feasible.

RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.

It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.

It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).

I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.


rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue





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Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Riepl, Gregor (SWISS TXT) 
+1

Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Pierre-Luc Dion 
+1

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:18 AM Wido den Hollander  wrote:

> +1
>
> On 5/21/19 11:40 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> > All,
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed
> so far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to
> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.
> >
> >
> > Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:
> >
> >
> > - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last
> ones to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host,
> but users are discouraged from using them
> >
> > - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that
> we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14
> and onwards
> >
> > - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs,
> packaging scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch
> >
> >
> > [ ] +1 approve
> > [ ] +0 no opinion
> > [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
> >
> >
> > ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rohit Yadav
> >
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> >
> > https://www.shapeblue.com
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Erik Weber 
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
> > To: dev
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14
> >
> > CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
> > Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
> > another ~4-6 months either.
> >
> > --
> > Erik
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
> >>
> >> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
> >> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
> >>
> >>
> >> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
> >>
> >> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
> >> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
> >> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
> >> and how to make any changes to applications.
> >>
> >> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
> >> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
> >>> As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
> >>> not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
> >>> it feasible.
> >>>
> >>> RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
> >>> scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
> >>>
> >>> It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
> >>> operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
> >>> not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
> >>>
> >>> It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
> >>> work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
> >>> a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
> >>>
> >>> I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
> >>>
> >
> > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Wido den Hollander 
+1

On 5/21/19 11:40 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
> All,
> 
> 
> Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so 
> far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to 
> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.
> 
> 
> Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:
> 
> 
> - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones to 
> support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users 
> are discouraged from using them
> 
> - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that we'll 
> stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and 
> onwards
> 
> - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging 
> scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch
> 
> 
> [ ] +1 approve
> [ ] +0 no opinion
> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
> 
> 
> ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rohit Yadav
> 
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> 
> https://www.shapeblue.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: Erik Weber 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
> To: dev
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14
> 
> CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
> Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
> another ~4-6 months either.
> 
> --
> Erik
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
>  wrote:
>>
>> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
>>
>> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
>> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
>>
>>
>> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
>>
>> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
>> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
>> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
>> and how to make any changes to applications.
>>
>> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
>> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
>>> As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
>>> not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
>>> it feasible.
>>>
>>> RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
>>> scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
>>>
>>> It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
>>> operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
>>> not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
>>>
>>> It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
>>> work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
>>> a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
>>>
>>> I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
>>>
> 
> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com 
> www.shapeblue.com
> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> @shapeblue
>   
>  
> 
>

Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Andrija Panic 
+1


On Tue, May 21, 2019, 13:43 Sven Vogel  wrote:

> +1
>
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> > Am 21.05.2019 um 12:44 schrieb Boris Stoyanov <
> boris.stoya...@shapeblue.com>:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > —Bobby
> >
> >
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> >> On 21 May 2019, at 13:31, Wei ZHOU  wrote:
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> -Wei
> >>
> >> Rohit Yadav  于2019年5月21日周二 上午11:40写道：
> >>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed
> so
> >>> far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited
> to
> >>> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last
> ones
> >>> to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host,
> but
> >>> users are discouraged from using them
> >>>
> >>> - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that
> >>> we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e.
> 4.14
> >>> and onwards
> >>>
> >>> - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs,
> packaging
> >>> scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [ ] +1 approve
> >>> [ ] +0 no opinion
> >>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rohit Yadav
> >>>
> >>> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> >>>
> >>> https://www.shapeblue.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> From: Erik Weber 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
> >>> To: dev
> >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14
> >>>
> >>> CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
> >>> Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
> >>> another ~4-6 months either.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Erik
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
> 
>  CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
>  CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
> 
> 
>  +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
> 
>  As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon
> in
>  any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
>  lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
>  and how to make any changes to applications.
> 
>  Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier
> than
>  one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
> 
>  Ron
> 
> > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
> > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
> > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
> > it feasible.
> >
> > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
> > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
> >
> > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
> > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so
> it's
> > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
> >
> > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
> > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
> > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome

Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Sven Vogel 
+1

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> Am 21.05.2019 um 12:44 schrieb Boris Stoyanov :
>
> +1
>
> —Bobby
>
>
> boris.stoya...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
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>
>
>> On 21 May 2019, at 13:31, Wei ZHOU  wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> -Wei
>>
>> Rohit Yadav  于2019年5月21日周二 上午11:40写道：
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so
>>> far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to
>>> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:
>>>
>>>
>>> - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones
>>> to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but
>>> users are discouraged from using them
>>>
>>> - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that
>>> we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14
>>> and onwards
>>>
>>> - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging
>>> scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch
>>>
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 approve
>>> [ ] +0 no opinion
>>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
>>>
>>>
>>> ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rohit Yadav
>>>
>>> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
>>>
>>> https://www.shapeblue.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Erik Weber 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
>>> To: dev
>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14
>>>
>>> CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
>>> Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
>>> another ~4-6 months either.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
>>>  wrote:

 According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS

 CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
 CentOS 7 EOL is 2024


 +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.

 As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
 any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
 lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
 and how to make any changes to applications.

 Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
 one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.

 Ron

> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
> As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
> not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
> it feasible.
>
> RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
> scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
>
> It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
> operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
> not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
>
> It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
> work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
> a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
>
> I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
>
>>>
>>> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
>>> www.shapeblue.com
>>> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
>>> @shapeblue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Boris Stoyanov 
+1

—Bobby


boris.stoya...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue
  
 

> On 21 May 2019, at 13:31, Wei ZHOU  wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> -Wei
> 
> Rohit Yadav  于2019年5月21日周二 上午11:40写道：
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so
>> far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to
>> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.
>> 
>> 
>> Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:
>> 
>> 
>> - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones
>> to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but
>> users are discouraged from using them
>> 
>> - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that
>> we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14
>> and onwards
>> 
>> - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging
>> scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch
>> 
>> 
>> [ ] +1 approve
>> [ ] +0 no opinion
>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
>> 
>> 
>> ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Rohit Yadav
>> 
>> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
>> 
>> https://www.shapeblue.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Erik Weber 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
>> To: dev
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14
>> 
>> CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
>> Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
>> another ~4-6 months either.
>> 
>> --
>> Erik
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
>>> 
>>> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
>>> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
>>> 
>>> 
>>> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
>>> 
>>> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
>>> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
>>> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
>>> and how to make any changes to applications.
>>> 
>>> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
>>> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
>>> 
>>> Ron
>>> 
>>> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
 As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
 not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
 it feasible.
 
 RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
 scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
 
 It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
 operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
 not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
 
 It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
 work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
 a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
 
 I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
 
>> 
>> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
>> www.shapeblue.com
>> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
>> @shapeblue
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Wei ZHOU 
+1

-Wei

Rohit Yadav  于2019年5月21日周二 上午11:40写道：

> All,
>
>
> Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so
> far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to
> upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.
>
>
> Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:
>
>
> - Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones
> to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but
> users are discouraged from using them
>
> - Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that
> we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14
> and onwards
>
> - After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging
> scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch
>
>
> [ ] +1 approve
> [ ] +0 no opinion
> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
>
>
> ** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rohit Yadav
>
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
>
> https://www.shapeblue.com
>
>
> 
> From: Erik Weber 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
> To: dev
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14
>
> CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
> Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
> another ~4-6 months either.
>
> --
> Erik
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
>  wrote:
> >
> > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
> >
> > CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
> > CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
> >
> >
> > +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
> >
> > As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
> > any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
> > lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
> > and how to make any changes to applications.
> >
> > Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
> > one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
> > > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
> > > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
> > > it feasible.
> > >
> > > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
> > > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
> > >
> > > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
> > > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
> > > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
> > >
> > > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
> > > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
> > > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
> > >
> > > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
> > >
>
> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>

RE: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Paul Angus 
+1 (Binding)

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue
  
 


-Original Message-
From: Anurag Awasthi  
Sent: 21 May 2019 10:55
To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; dev 
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: 
[DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

+1


From: Dag Sonstebo 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 3:22 PM
To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; dev
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: 
[DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

+1

Regards,
Dag Sonstebo
Cloud Architect
ShapeBlue


On 21/05/2019, 10:40, "Rohit Yadav"  wrote:

All,


Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so 
far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to 
upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.


Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:


- Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones 
to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users 
are discouraged from using them

- Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that 
we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and 
onwards

- After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging 
scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch


[ ] +1 approve
[ ] +0 no opinion
[ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)


** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.


Thanks.



Regards,

Rohit Yadav

Software Architect, ShapeBlue

https://www.shapeblue.com



From: Erik Weber 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
To: dev
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14

CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
another ~4-6 months either.

--
Erik

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
 wrote:
>
> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
>
> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
>
>
> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
>
> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
> and how to make any changes to applications.
>
> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
>
> Ron
>
> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
> > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
> > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
> > it feasible.
> >
> > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
> > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
> >
> > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
> > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
> > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
> >
> > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
> > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
> > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
> >
> > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
> >

rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue






dag.sonst...@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue




anurag.awas...@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK @shapeblue

Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Anurag Awasthi 
+1


From: Dag Sonstebo 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 3:22 PM
To: us...@cloudstack.apache.org; dev
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: 
[DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

+1

Regards,
Dag Sonstebo
Cloud Architect
ShapeBlue


On 21/05/2019, 10:40, "Rohit Yadav"  wrote:

All,


Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so 
far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to 
upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.


Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:


- Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones 
to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users 
are discouraged from using them

- Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that 
we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and 
onwards

- After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging 
scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch


[ ] +1 approve
[ ] +0 no opinion
[ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)


** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.


Thanks.



Regards,

Rohit Yadav

Software Architect, ShapeBlue

https://www.shapeblue.com



From: Erik Weber 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
To: dev
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14

CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
another ~4-6 months either.

--
Erik

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
 wrote:
>
> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
>
> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
>
>
> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
>
> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
> and how to make any changes to applications.
>
> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
>
> Ron
>
> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
> > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
> > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
> > it feasible.
> >
> > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
> > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
> >
> > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
> > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
> > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
> >
> > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
> > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
> > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
> >
> > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
> >

rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue






dag.sonst...@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue




anurag.awas...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue

Re: [VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Dag Sonstebo 
+1 

Regards,
Dag Sonstebo
Cloud Architect
ShapeBlue
 

On 21/05/2019, 10:40, "Rohit Yadav"  wrote:

All,


Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so 
far, we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to 
upgrade to el7/el8 due to potential risks.


Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:


- Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones 
to support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users 
are discouraged from using them

- Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that 
we'll stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and 
onwards

- After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging 
scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch


[ ] +1 approve
[ ] +0 no opinion
[ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)


** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.


Thanks.



Regards,

Rohit Yadav

Software Architect, ShapeBlue

https://www.shapeblue.com



From: Erik Weber 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
To: dev
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14

CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
another ~4-6 months either.

--
Erik

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
 wrote:
>
> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
>
> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
>
>
> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
>
> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
> and how to make any changes to applications.
>
> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
>
> Ron
>
> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
> > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
> > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
> > it feasible.
> >
> > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
> > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
> >
> > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
> > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
> > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
> >
> > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
> > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
> > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
> >
> > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
> >

rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue
  
 




dag.sonst...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue

[VOTE] Remove el6 support in future CloudStack versions (was Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14)

2019-05-21 Thread Rohit Yadav 
All,


Thank you for your feedback and discussions. From what we've discussed so far, 
we've lazy consensus that nobody wants to use el6 or are limited to upgrade to 
el7/el8 due to potential risks.


Moving forward I put forth the following for voting:


- Next minor/major releases (such as 4.11.3.0, 4.13.0.0) will be last ones to 
support el6 packaging both for the management server and KVM host, but users 
are discouraged from using them

- Next major release (4.13.0.0) will document in its release notes that we'll 
stop supporting centos6/rhel6 packaging in future versions, i.e. 4.14 and 
onwards

- After 4.13.0.0 is released, we will remove el6 related specs, packaging 
scripts etc. from the codebase in the master branch


[ ] +1 approve
[ ] +0 no opinion
[ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)


** PMCs kindly add binding to your votes, thanks.


Thanks.



Regards,

Rohit Yadav

Software Architect, ShapeBlue

https://www.shapeblue.com



From: Erik Weber 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 19:32
To: dev
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Remove support for el6 packaging in 4.13/4.14

CentOS7 was released 5 years ago, upgrading is long overdue anyway.
Realistically the next CloudStack release won't be out the door for
another ~4-6 months either.

--
Erik

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ron Wheeler
 wrote:
>
> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS
>
> CentOS 6 EOL is 2020
> CentOS 7 EOL is 2024
>
>
> +1 for removing support for CentOS 6.
>
> As Erik pointed out the sites running CentOS6 will have to move soon in
> any event and it is probably better to do it now when there is still a
> lot of current expertise and information available about how to do it
> and how to make any changes to applications.
>
> Upgrading in a project that is under your control is usually easier than
> one forced on you by a security issue or an operational failure.
>
> Ron
>
> On 4/24/19 3:24 AM, Erik Weber wrote:
> > As an operations guy I can understand the want for future updates and
> > not upgrading, but with the release plan of RHEL/CentOS I don't find
> > it feasible.
> >
> > RHEL6 is 8 years old (and is still running kernel 2.6!) and isn't
> > scheduled to be fully EOL until 2024.
> >
> > It is true that upgrading requires some effort (and risk) from
> > operators, but this is work they eventually have to do anyway, so it's
> > not a matter of /if/ they have to do it, but rather when.
> >
> > It is also true that current CloudStack releases should continue to
> > work, it's also possible that someone might back port future fixes to
> > a RHEL6 compatible fork (you're more than welcome to).
> >
> > I'd vote +1 to remove support for el6 packaging.
> >

rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue