Re: [GT2006] Call for ideas part 1: summary
Hi, Arje Cahn wrote: I'm a little bit worried that the Cocoon GetTogether is becoming too much of a Cocoon DEV-Together... Wouldn't it be good from a community point of view if we open up a little and target 1 whole day to the cocoon-users? Definitely. This is something I could ask the Users list. Hopefully we can then lower the barrier for people to come to the GetTogether and get involved in Cocoon. I think we could use the GetTogether much more as a "marketing" event for Cocoon. Pretty much all of the Cocoon core developers show up - why not do shorter, flashier presentations of what you can achieve with Cocoon, right from the core developers?? I like the sound of that - some demos of actual Cocoon sites, with explanations of why, how, etc. I think this content would need to be focused on one day though, for those that can't justify attending all three days. Apart from all that, I've been so free to make a reservation at the Felix Meritis venue where we held the Hackaton last year. For three whole days: Monday 2nd, Tuesday 3rd and Wednesday 4th of October, from 9AM to 11PM :) Cool :-) Thanks, Andrew. -- Andrew Savory, Managing Director, Luminas Limited Tel: +44 (0)870 741 6658 Fax: +44 (0)700 598 1135 Web: http://www.luminas.co.uk/ Orixo alliance: http://www.orixo.com/
Re: [GT2006] Call for ideas part 1: summary
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 23:41, Reinhard Poetz wrote:
This could lower the
barrier for people (like me) to prepare something as doing a one-hour talk
needs a lot of preparation, a 5 to 10 minutes presentation is much simpler.
You have not heard what a US President (JFK?) once answered when asked how
long he needed to prepare a speech;
If it is 5 minutes long, I need a few weeks. If it is 20 min I need a day,
and if it is an hour or longer I can start right away... (or something along
those lines). ;o)
hehe, yes, generally I agree ... the exception (for me) is technical stuff
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Re: [GT2006] Call for ideas part 1: summary
On Sunday 04 June 2006 23:41, Reinhard Poetz wrote: > This could lower the > barrier for people (like me) to prepare something as doing a one-hour talk > needs a lot of preparation, a 5 to 10 minutes presentation is much simpler. You have not heard what a US President (JFK?) once answered when asked how long he needed to prepare a speech; If it is 5 minutes long, I need a few weeks. If it is 20 min I need a day, and if it is an hour or longer I can start right away... (or something along those lines). ;o) Cheers Niclas
Re: [GT2006] Call for ideas part 1: summary
Reinhard Poetz said the following on 04-06-2006 17:41: This is by no means definitive! But I think Felix Meritis had a good vibe (more like the Ghent venue!). yes, Felix Meritis is great Just make sure that there's enough wireless connection and that they don't pull the plug at 17.00 sharp. Unless of course the evening programme is interesting enough to shut down the laptops. ;-) If we "only" have a Hackathon + public talks we should make sure that we still have things like a speical website and some kind of offical program as many people coming from companies need this to convince their bosses and to justify the expenses. +1 Bye, Helma
Re: [GT2006] Call for ideas part 1: summary
Arje Cahn wrote:
Hi Cocoon-dev,
Below is a summary of ideas that I received on my first GT2006 email.
I'm quite surprised that some of them actually suggest to skip the public talks, or at least to focus
even stronger on the Hackaton.
Also, I'm suprised that I got *no* response from the cocoon-users list (naive
as I am :) ).
I'm a little bit worried that the Cocoon GetTogether is becoming too much of a Cocoon DEV-Together...
Wouldn't it be good from a community point of view if we open up a little and target 1 whole day to
the cocoon-users? This is something I could ask the Users list. Hopefully we can then lower the barrier
for people to come to the GetTogether and get involved in Cocoon.
What about a special "meet the Cocoon devs" session? I know that the whole
Hackathon is open for everybody but a special session could be an explicit
invitation for users. This session should be moderated and the topics come from
the participating non-committers.
I think we could use the GetTogether much
more as a "marketing" event for Cocoon. Pretty much all of the Cocoon core developers show up - why not
do shorter, flashier presentations of what you can achieve with Cocoon, right from the core developers??
yes, there could be a session with "kowledge flashes". This could lower the
barrier for people (like me) to prepare something as doing a one-hour talk needs
a lot of preparation, a 5 to 10 minutes presentation is much simpler.
Add 2 days of Hackaton, with more informal in-depth talks as last year's Cocoon
internals.
Apart from all that, I've been so free to make a reservation at the Felix Meritis venue where we held the
Hackaton last year. For three whole days:
Monday 2nd, Tuesday 3rd and Wednesday 4th of October, from 9AM to 11PM :)
This is by no means definitive! But I think Felix Meritis had a good vibe (more like the Ghent venue!).
yes, Felix Meritis is great
I've reserved both the Hackaton "Moshpit" and the really nice "Zuilenzaal", which can hold up to 100-200
people, depending on the setting. This makes us much more flexible. It would even be an option to
rent both rooms during the Talks day, so we end up with a three day hackaton + public talks :)
This means there is no day that is explicitly dedicated to public talks, right?
Personally, I like this idea as it is ways more productive. My favorite event
last year was the "guided tour" through Cocoon when I interviewed Carsten and
Sylvain about the internals.
- o -
If we "only" have a Hackathon + public talks we should make sure that we still
have things like a speical website and some kind of offical program as many
people coming from companies need this to convince their bosses and to justify
the expenses.
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RE: [GT2006] Call for ideas part 1: summary
> I'm quite surprised that some of them actually suggest to > skip the public talks, or at least to focus even stronger on > the Hackaton. Re-reading my post again, I sound a little bit negative... That was not my intention.. I'm actually very thankful for all your ideas!! :) I just want to be sure that we don't lose track of our users. -- Arje
[GT2006] Call for ideas part 1: summary
Hi Cocoon-dev, Below is a summary of ideas that I received on my first GT2006 email. I'm quite surprised that some of them actually suggest to skip the public talks, or at least to focus even stronger on the Hackaton. Also, I'm suprised that I got *no* response from the cocoon-users list (naive as I am :) ). I'm a little bit worried that the Cocoon GetTogether is becoming too much of a Cocoon DEV-Together... Wouldn't it be good from a community point of view if we open up a little and target 1 whole day to the cocoon-users? This is something I could ask the Users list. Hopefully we can then lower the barrier for people to come to the GetTogether and get involved in Cocoon. I think we could use the GetTogether much more as a "marketing" event for Cocoon. Pretty much all of the Cocoon core developers show up - why not do shorter, flashier presentations of what you can achieve with Cocoon, right from the core developers?? Add 2 days of Hackaton, with more informal in-depth talks as last year's Cocoon internals. Apart from all that, I've been so free to make a reservation at the Felix Meritis venue where we held the Hackaton last year. For three whole days: Monday 2nd, Tuesday 3rd and Wednesday 4th of October, from 9AM to 11PM :) This is by no means definitive! But I think Felix Meritis had a good vibe (more like the Ghent venue!). I've reserved both the Hackaton "Moshpit" and the really nice "Zuilenzaal", which can hold up to 100-200 people, depending on the setting. This makes us much more flexible. It would even be an option to rent both rooms during the Talks day, so we end up with a three day hackaton + public talks :) Let me know what you think! -- Arjé --oOo-- Helma van der Linden: - Could help - Prefers 2 days hackaton again. - I had the impression that the [extra?] Hackathon day moved Cocoon much more forward than a single 'First Friday' Andrew Savory: - Happy to help - Rome, Milan, Australia, London, but has no objections against Ghent or Amsterdam again - I felt a little wiped-out by the third day last year. But if it's only two days, an early start to the hackathon is a must - I think we could explore hiring the hackathon venue later in the evening and doing a proper beer-n-pizza event Reinhard Poetz: - Amsterdam is a really great town and there is a direct flight from Vienna - October is fine - at least two days for a hackathon and one day with public sessions; thinking more about it, a three days hackathon would be even better. I know that not everybody wants to invest 3 days just for doing programming stuff, but having a location would be great for those (like me) that would want.. Marcus Crafter: - On Australia: Top idea - perhaps somewhere near the beach: http://www.whitsundaytourism.com/ :) Bertrand Delacretaz: - Why not repeat Amsterdam, very convenient in terms of flights from many places - October was good - Two days is fine IMHO, but I'd suggest a two-days Hackathon including talks - Having just a Hackathon, with more or less improvised talks, might be cool and much easier to organize. People could sign up on site to give a talk while we're there, in an informal way. - most information-rich time was the discussion of Cocoon internals - The "public talks" day is also good, but such talks can also happen at ApacheCon - Venue should stay open (including Internet connection ;-) much longer than last time: 9AM to 10PM Sylvain Wallez: - repeat Amsterdam - October was good - public talks: it makes sense to showcase and promote Cocoon at ApacheCon, reaching a more diverse audience [instead of the Cocoon GT] Ralph Goers: - proposes that it be done on the tutorial days [of the ApacheCon US]: Monday and Tuesday. - proposes that it be held either at the same site as ApacheCon US, or somewhere close by. --oOo--
