Re: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2)
Geoff Howard wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Geoff Howard wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Unico Hommes wrote:
BTW, Unico, I don't know what is your mail software, but it
doesn't send the "In-Reply-To" header, which breaks thread views
in Mozilla and makes following discussions highly difficult.
I use Outlook. I checked the thread view in Thunderbird but it
wasn't a
problem there. What client are you using? I may rise to the
opportunity
to finally exorcise The Evil Empire from controlling my inbox ;-)
Read carefully: "...which breaks thread views in _Mozilla_..." ;-)
Are other people experiencing this also?
Yes, but I was very interested to hear they may have this solved in
Thunderbird. I recently happened to look into what headers were
being sent by mozilla and outlook and did think it looked like
something a reader could solve...
Actually, Unico is not the only one. What I've found is that Mozilla
uses the In-Reply-To header whereas Outlook (at least some version)
uses "Thread-Topic" and "Thread-Index".
Outlook's headers seem strange to me, as I don't know how a mailer
can rebuild a thread tree with just an indentifier for the thread,
but no information about the posts relationships.
Ah, yes - that was it. And I remember now it wasn't clear whether
they gave enough info to reconstruct the tree, or just associate
messages together in a common conversation topic. I use the
conversation topic view in outlook at work, and it's not a tree - just
a flat topic view. May not be possible after all. My mozilla keeps
outlook posts in the same thread, but under the root post, not the
actual message replied to. Maybe Thunderbird and Mozilla are the same
after all?
Well, I guess some Micro$oft marketing guy decided once that tree view
were too much complicated for average users and invented this
"conversation view" where all messages in a thread are sorted
chronologically.
And even worse: "In-Reply-To" is specified in RFC 2822 [1] as a header a
mailer /should/ send (see ยง3.6.4). Sure, it's not written /must/ send,
but we can expect from a full-featured mailer to properly implement
these optional features, and not inventing its own.
And that f**cking M$ doesn't even use the "X-" prefix for its
non-standard headers. I also found a page [2] listing all other "fancy"
M$-specific fields.
[1] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html
[2] http://info.ccone.at/INFO/Mail-Archives/procmail/Jul-2002/msg00286.html
Sylvain
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Re: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2)
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Actually, Unico is not the only one. What I've found is that Mozilla uses the In-Reply-To header whereas Outlook (at least some version) uses "Thread-Topic" and "Thread-Index". Outlook's headers seem strange to me, as I don't know how a mailer can rebuild a thread tree with just an indentifier for the thread, but no information about the posts relationships. *bg* my pet topic... See http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-dev&m=104335769809427&w=2 The "Internet Mail Service" mentioned there is MS Exchange Server, which actually is the culprit responsible for the "Thread-Topic" and "Thread-Index" headers. Even for the Clients sending In-Reply-To and References, there are some caveats: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191726 The Mail Client sending a bogus Referers header is actually Eudora 5.0 (>7.0 is ok). Any ideas where this would fit in the Wiki or somewhere? Perhaps http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ToolChest/Users J.Pietschmann
RE: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2)
hmmm.. I took a look and you can group messages in outlook by "conversation" which seems to use in-reply-to to have a normal thread view -Original Message- From: JD Daniels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2004-01-30 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2) Outlook 2000 *does* I was getting frustrated I was not getting any replies to a post i made... I was lazy and just hit reply to an existing message to get the address and wiped out the original text. This thread made me look.. and it does send "in-Reply-to" JD -Original Message- From: Unico Hommes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2004-01-30 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2) Sylvain Wallez wrote: > > Geoff Howard wrote: > > > Sylvain Wallez wrote: > > > >> Unico Hommes wrote: > > > > > >>>> BTW, Unico, I don't know what is your mail software, but > it doesn't > >>>> send the "In-Reply-To" header, which breaks thread views > in Mozilla > >>>> and makes following discussions highly difficult. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I use Outlook. I checked the thread view in Thunderbird but it > >>> wasn't a problem there. What client are you using? I may > rise to the > >>> opportunity to finally exorcise The Evil Empire from > controlling my > >>> inbox ;-) > >> > >> > >> Read carefully: "...which breaks thread views in _Mozilla_..." ;-) > >> > >> Are other people experiencing this also? > > > > > > Yes, but I was very interested to hear they may have this solved in > > Thunderbird. I recently happened to look into what headers > were being > > sent by mozilla and outlook and did think it looked like > something a > > reader could solve... > > > Actually, Unico is not the only one. What I've found is that > Mozilla uses the In-Reply-To header whereas Outlook (at least > some version) uses "Thread-Topic" and "Thread-Index". > > Outlook's headers seem strange to me, as I don't know how a > mailer can rebuild a thread tree with just an indentifier for > the thread, but no information about the posts relationships. > Outlook doesn't maintain post relationships. The 'thread view' in Outlook just consists of a long list of mails of the same thread, then sorted by date. It is less verbose but - at least if the thread is not too long - sufficient. Unico
RE: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2)
JD Daniels wrote: > > Outlook 2000 *does* > > I was getting frustrated I was not getting any replies to a > post i made... I was lazy and just hit reply to an existing > message to get the address and wiped out the original text. > This thread made me look.. and it does send "in-Reply-to" > > JD > The version I use at work is Outlook 2003. Unico
RE: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2)
Outlook 2000 *does* I was getting frustrated I was not getting any replies to a post i made... I was lazy and just hit reply to an existing message to get the address and wiped out the original text. This thread made me look.. and it does send "in-Reply-to" JD -Original Message- From: Unico Hommes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2004-01-30 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2) Sylvain Wallez wrote: > > Geoff Howard wrote: > > > Sylvain Wallez wrote: > > > >> Unico Hommes wrote: > > > > > >>>> BTW, Unico, I don't know what is your mail software, but > it doesn't > >>>> send the "In-Reply-To" header, which breaks thread views > in Mozilla > >>>> and makes following discussions highly difficult. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I use Outlook. I checked the thread view in Thunderbird but it > >>> wasn't a problem there. What client are you using? I may > rise to the > >>> opportunity to finally exorcise The Evil Empire from > controlling my > >>> inbox ;-) > >> > >> > >> Read carefully: "...which breaks thread views in _Mozilla_..." ;-) > >> > >> Are other people experiencing this also? > > > > > > Yes, but I was very interested to hear they may have this solved in > > Thunderbird. I recently happened to look into what headers > were being > > sent by mozilla and outlook and did think it looked like > something a > > reader could solve... > > > Actually, Unico is not the only one. What I've found is that > Mozilla uses the In-Reply-To header whereas Outlook (at least > some version) uses "Thread-Topic" and "Thread-Index". > > Outlook's headers seem strange to me, as I don't know how a > mailer can rebuild a thread tree with just an indentifier for > the thread, but no information about the posts relationships. > Outlook doesn't maintain post relationships. The 'thread view' in Outlook just consists of a long list of mails of the same thread, then sorted by date. It is less verbose but - at least if the thread is not too long - sufficient. Unico
RE: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2)
Sylvain Wallez wrote: > > Geoff Howard wrote: > > > Sylvain Wallez wrote: > > > >> Unico Hommes wrote: > > > > > BTW, Unico, I don't know what is your mail software, but > it doesn't > send the "In-Reply-To" header, which breaks thread views > in Mozilla > and makes following discussions highly difficult. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I use Outlook. I checked the thread view in Thunderbird but it > >>> wasn't a problem there. What client are you using? I may > rise to the > >>> opportunity to finally exorcise The Evil Empire from > controlling my > >>> inbox ;-) > >> > >> > >> Read carefully: "...which breaks thread views in _Mozilla_..." ;-) > >> > >> Are other people experiencing this also? > > > > > > Yes, but I was very interested to hear they may have this solved in > > Thunderbird. I recently happened to look into what headers > were being > > sent by mozilla and outlook and did think it looked like > something a > > reader could solve... > > > Actually, Unico is not the only one. What I've found is that > Mozilla uses the In-Reply-To header whereas Outlook (at least > some version) uses "Thread-Topic" and "Thread-Index". > > Outlook's headers seem strange to me, as I don't know how a > mailer can rebuild a thread tree with just an indentifier for > the thread, but no information about the posts relationships. > Outlook doesn't maintain post relationships. The 'thread view' in Outlook just consists of a long list of mails of the same thread, then sorted by date. It is less verbose but - at least if the thread is not too long - sufficient. Unico
Re: Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2)
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Geoff Howard wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Unico Hommes wrote: BTW, Unico, I don't know what is your mail software, but it doesn't send the "In-Reply-To" header, which breaks thread views in Mozilla and makes following discussions highly difficult. I use Outlook. I checked the thread view in Thunderbird but it wasn't a problem there. What client are you using? I may rise to the opportunity to finally exorcise The Evil Empire from controlling my inbox ;-) Read carefully: "...which breaks thread views in _Mozilla_..." ;-) Are other people experiencing this also? Yes, but I was very interested to hear they may have this solved in Thunderbird. I recently happened to look into what headers were being sent by mozilla and outlook and did think it looked like something a reader could solve... Actually, Unico is not the only one. What I've found is that Mozilla uses the In-Reply-To header whereas Outlook (at least some version) uses "Thread-Topic" and "Thread-Index". Outlook's headers seem strange to me, as I don't know how a mailer can rebuild a thread tree with just an indentifier for the thread, but no information about the posts relationships. Ah, yes - that was it. And I remember now it wasn't clear whether they gave enough info to reconstruct the tree, or just associate messages together in a common conversation topic. I use the conversation topic view in outlook at work, and it's not a tree - just a flat topic view. May not be possible after all. My mozilla keeps outlook posts in the same thread, but under the root post, not the actual message replied to. Maybe Thunderbird and Mozilla are the same after all? Geoff
Mail thread headers (was Re: source resolving in 2.2)
Geoff Howard wrote:
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Unico Hommes wrote:
BTW, Unico, I don't know what is your mail software, but it doesn't
send the "In-Reply-To" header, which breaks thread views in Mozilla
and makes following discussions highly difficult.
I use Outlook. I checked the thread view in Thunderbird but it wasn't a
problem there. What client are you using? I may rise to the opportunity
to finally exorcise The Evil Empire from controlling my inbox ;-)
Read carefully: "...which breaks thread views in _Mozilla_..." ;-)
Are other people experiencing this also?
Yes, but I was very interested to hear they may have this solved in
Thunderbird. I recently happened to look into what headers were being
sent by mozilla and outlook and did think it looked like something a
reader could solve...
Actually, Unico is not the only one. What I've found is that Mozilla
uses the In-Reply-To header whereas Outlook (at least some version) uses
"Thread-Topic" and "Thread-Index".
Outlook's headers seem strange to me, as I don't know how a mailer can
rebuild a thread tree with just an indentifier for the thread, but no
information about the posts relationships.
Sylvain
--
Sylvain Wallez Anyware Technologies
http://www.apache.org/~sylvain http://www.anyware-tech.com
{ XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }
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