Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-) Just a note FWIW. Spring WebFlow also uses OGNL. So, OGNL as a TPL project would be the best. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
To be a TLP, you need a bare minimum of 3 active committers, preferably 6. And you'd need to go via the incubator. Commons is an easier fit as the committers can be shared with other commons components, but that still depends on existing commons committers saying that they'd be willing to help support it. Stephen On 3 March 2011 10:02, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-) Just a note FWIW. Spring WebFlow also uses OGNL. So, OGNL as a TPL project would be the best. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
I'm interested and would be more than glad on helping OGNL to join the Incubator, count on me to prepare the proposal. I know that this topic should maybe be discussed elsewhere, but before putting an end to this thread I'd like to ask who's interested, between Commons devs, on joining? Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. Anyone more? :) Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Stephen Colebourne scolebou...@joda.org wrote: To be a TLP, you need a bare minimum of 3 active committers, preferably 6. And you'd need to go via the incubator. Commons is an easier fit as the committers can be shared with other commons components, but that still depends on existing commons committers saying that they'd be willing to help support it. Stephen On 3 March 2011 10:02, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-) Just a note FWIW. Spring WebFlow also uses OGNL. So, OGNL as a TPL project would be the best. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. In fact I am, Tiles also uses OGNL via a separate module. Once I created a proposal for a subproject for Tiles but it failed: https://cwiki.apache.org/TILES/dimensionsincubationproposal.html However the real proposal was this: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/KaolinProposal but it is currently down. Feel free to start writing the proposal using these bases (or others), count on me on fixing terms that may be incorrect. Oh, and suscribe to general@incubator.a.o Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. In fact I am If it was not clear, I wish to join :-) Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Anyone more? :) You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Anyone more? :) You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer. I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when creating an incubation proposal. I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone else is interested. Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :) Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. In fact I am If it was not clear, I wish to join :-) Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons
One more :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Maurizio Cucchiara maurizio.cucchi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com Lukasz, you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator one too) On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting OGNL and the whole incubation process ? There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about that. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com DW: Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Anyone more? :) You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer. I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when creating an incubation proposal. I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone else is interested. Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org -- Maurizio Cucchiara - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Hi, I have been touched with this mail trail.So frankly speaking I'm not a hardcore programmer or apache comitter but I'm a software engineering undergraduate having application development experience in terms of Struts 2 and Spring.I have subscribed this mailing list as I need to get a initiation to become a apache commiter.I don't have any idea whether I'm fit for you requirement. Regards, Nuwan Arambage On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.comwrote: One more :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Maurizio Cucchiara maurizio.cucchi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com Lukasz, you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator one too) On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting OGNL and the whole incubation process ? There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about that. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com DW: Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Anyone more? :) You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer. I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when creating an incubation proposal. I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone else is interested. Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org -- Maurizio Cucchiara - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org -- Fail again. Fail better With Regards , Nuwan Arambage
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Please do not hijack threads, start a new one. Antonio 2011/3/3 Nuwan Arambage nuwan.aramb...@gmail.com: Hi, I have been touched with this mail trail.So frankly speaking I'm not a hardcore programmer or apache comitter but I'm a software engineering undergraduate having application development experience in terms of Struts 2 and Spring.I have subscribed this mailing list as I need to get a initiation to become a apache commiter.I don't have any idea whether I'm fit for you requirement. Regards, Nuwan Arambage On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.comwrote: One more :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Maurizio Cucchiara maurizio.cucchi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com Lukasz, you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator one too) On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting OGNL and the whole incubation process ? There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about that. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com DW: Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Anyone more? :) You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer. I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when creating an incubation proposal. I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone else is interested. Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org -- Maurizio Cucchiara - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org -- Fail again. Fail better With Regards , Nuwan Arambage - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Sorry for the mistake.in last mail, he asked for one more. I thought I do can reply for it. Thanks for your advice and I would be keeping it in mind as a beginner. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com wrote: Please do not hijack threads, start a new one. Antonio 2011/3/3 Nuwan Arambage nuwan.aramb...@gmail.com: Hi, I have been touched with this mail trail.So frankly speaking I'm not a hardcore programmer or apache comitter but I'm a software engineering undergraduate having application development experience in terms of Struts 2 and Spring.I have subscribed this mailing list as I need to get a initiation to become a apache commiter.I don't have any idea whether I'm fit for you requirement. Regards, Nuwan Arambage On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.comwrote: One more :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Maurizio Cucchiara maurizio.cucchi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com Lukasz, you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator one too) On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting OGNL and the whole incubation process ? There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about that. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com DW: Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Anyone more? :) You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer. I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when creating an incubation proposal. I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone else is interested. Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org -- Maurizio Cucchiara - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org -- Fail again. Fail better With Regards , Nuwan Arambage -- Fail again. Fail better With Regards , Nuwan Arambage
Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Newton davelnew...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com DW: Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com It seems like it might be a good idea for the ASF to have a performant (how I hate that word) EL, possible taking a look at how MVEL/etc. does some things, etc. I kind of like OGNL and the power it provides, just wish it was faster--I'd help with that as time allows. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Paul Benedict pbened...@apache.org Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org Count me in for backup. If someone gets tied up with day work and you need an extra hand, I will help take over for that person the best I can. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
On 3/3/11 6:06 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :) Simo It looks to me like if what you guys want to do is incubate OGNL for eventual home in Commons, you have the support you need. The non-Commons ASF committers interested can easily be voted in and should count in the rule of 3. If that is the plan, you should kick off a VOTE here to confirm consensus among the Commons community to sponsor the podling. Thanks for helping this along, Simo! Phil http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. In fact I am If it was not clear, I wish to join :-) Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
That's an incredible idea Phil, thanks for your kind feedback! I already started preparing the proposal[1] and sill looking for Sponsor/Champions/Mentors, I like the idea of OGNL as Commons Component and we're waiting for feedbacks from Apache Struts, maybe they're interested too, the we will have to take a decision. In any case, I take in charge of calling the vote. Would you be interested on being Champion/Mentor? I know you're super-busy but I'd really like you involved given the fact how you leas people! :) Thanks to you, have a nice day! Simo [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/3/11 6:06 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :) Simo It looks to me like if what you guys want to do is incubate OGNL for eventual home in Commons, you have the support you need. The non-Commons ASF committers interested can easily be voted in and should count in the rule of 3. If that is the plan, you should kick off a VOTE here to confirm consensus among the Commons community to sponsor the podling. Thanks for helping this along, Simo! Phil http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. In fact I am If it was not clear, I wish to join :-) Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
On 3/3/11 9:24 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: That's an incredible idea Phil, thanks for your kind feedback! I already started preparing the proposal[1] and sill looking for Sponsor/Champions/Mentors, I like the idea of OGNL as Commons Component and we're waiting for feedbacks from Apache Struts, maybe they're interested too, the we will have to take a decision. In any case, I take in charge of calling the vote. Would you be interested on being Champion/Mentor? I know you're super-busy but I'd really like you involved given the fact how you leas people! :) I would love to do this, but I am unfortunately over-subscribed already. I will try to help encourage others to step up if necessary. Thanks! Phil Thanks to you, have a nice day! Simo [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/3/11 6:06 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :) Simo It looks to me like if what you guys want to do is incubate OGNL for eventual home in Commons, you have the support you need. The non-Commons ASF committers interested can easily be voted in and should count in the rule of 3. If that is the plan, you should kick off a VOTE here to confirm consensus among the Commons community to sponsor the podling. Thanks for helping this along, Simo! Phil http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. In fact I am If it was not clear, I wish to join :-) Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Hi, So, where I should start ? Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Hi all guys, I personally like the proposal and think that OGNL is a nice piece of software that Commons could only benefit if it will join. As I previously expressed, IMHO OGNL could be merged to BeanUtils that already supports the same features, but in a less sophisticated way; BeanUtils could only than benefit from this merge. Moreover the OGNL project is widely adopted in sever closed/oss projects, I don't see any potential risk of failure. And it is already licensed under ASL2.0. What are your thoughts about it? I'm available on helping Lucasz for the move and the OGNL community. Looking forward to see your feedbacks, have a nice day, Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, So, where I should start ? Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2010/12/13 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? Personally I would like to see it as a TLP. AFAIK Apache foundation likes to see one project for one piece of software, Commons is an exception. (I would like to see Commons Math as TLP but this is another story :-D ). IMHO, OGNL is not common, it is a powerfui expression language. Another option would be the code donation to the nearest project, that I think it is Struts. Anyway, ask the Incubator mailing list, they might help you deciding. Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2011/3/1 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2010/12/13 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? Personally I would like to see it as a TLP. AFAIK Apache foundation likes to see one project for one piece of software, Commons is an exception. (I would like to see Commons Math as TLP but this is another story :-D ). IMHO, OGNL is not common, it is a powerfui expression language. Another option would be the code donation to the nearest project, that I think it is Struts. Anyway, ask the Incubator mailing list, they might help you deciding. There is another problem: is OpenSymphony willing to donate the code to Apache? It's not only a problem of forking, because the entire copyright will pass to Apache, at least for the donated code as it is (the copyright will remain to OpenSymphony until the act of donation). If not, you cannot donate/incubate at Apache. There are other options though, e.g. forking and apache-extras. Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2011/3/1 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: There is another problem: is OpenSymphony willing to donate the code to Apache? It's not only a problem of forking, because the entire copyright will pass to Apache, at least for the donated code as it is (the copyright will remain to OpenSymphony until the act of donation). If not, you cannot donate/incubate at Apache. There are other options though, e.g. forking and apache-extras. OGNL was moved to GitHub some time ago and right now it's more or less ownerless. Before I've started asking you guys, I had been talking to two main people behind OGNL and they had approved my idea to move OGNL under ASF umbrella. So, I can send an official request to them to donate OGNL to ASF if it's needed. Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
From Commons HP[1] The Commons is an Apache project focused on all aspects of reusable Java components here we use to speak about Math, Digester, BeanUtils, ... as components and not projects, there are no exceptions you mentioned. Moreover, since EL[2] and JXPATH[3] found their home here at commons, I don't see a different reason for OGNL to live elsewhere. The legal issue is a problem that needs to be seriously taken in consideration, BTW AFAIK OGNL left OpenSymphony for a new place[4] (domain seems to be expired) and Lukasz is the only one OGNL maintainer - please Lucasz correct me if I'm wrong. Simo [1] http://commons.apache.org/ [2] http://commons.apache.org/el/ [3] http://commons.apache.org/jxpath/ [4] http://www.ognl.org/ http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/1 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2010/12/13 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? Personally I would like to see it as a TLP. AFAIK Apache foundation likes to see one project for one piece of software, Commons is an exception. (I would like to see Commons Math as TLP but this is another story :-D ). IMHO, OGNL is not common, it is a powerfui expression language. Another option would be the code donation to the nearest project, that I think it is Struts. Anyway, ask the Incubator mailing list, they might help you deciding. There is another problem: is OpenSymphony willing to donate the code to Apache? It's not only a problem of forking, because the entire copyright will pass to Apache, at least for the donated code as it is (the copyright will remain to OpenSymphony until the act of donation). If not, you cannot donate/incubate at Apache. There are other options though, e.g. forking and apache-extras. Antonio - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Howdy; I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up using JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very powerful and expressive. What about trying to merge OGNL JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm pretty sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor calls, arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in the upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs). It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in the future rather than overlapping ones. Thoughts ? Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users. The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a bad thing). I'm certainly arguing against a straight push into BeanUtils or JEXL. Stephen On 1 March 2011 17:48, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi Henri, it would be fine for me, I initially suggested BeanUtils because already support a similar feature[1], but JEXL2 would work as well. Thanks for your feedbacks, looking forward to collect enough thoughts to call for a vote :) Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:37 PM, henrib hen...@apache.org wrote: Howdy; I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up using JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very powerful and expressive. What about trying to merge OGNL JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm pretty sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor calls, arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in the upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs). It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in the future rather than overlapping ones. Thoughts ? Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Struts 2 is a big consumer of OGNL. The Struts community already consumed XWork's IP and now own it. Aren't both of those projects from OpenSymphony? If so, I would say it should go over to Struts. On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Stephen Colebourne scolebou...@joda.orgwrote: Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users. The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a bad thing). I'm certainly arguing against a straight push into BeanUtils or JEXL. Stephen On 1 March 2011 17:48, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi Henri, it would be fine for me, I initially suggested BeanUtils because already support a similar feature[1], but JEXL2 would work as well. Thanks for your feedbacks, looking forward to collect enough thoughts to call for a vote :) Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:37 PM, henrib hen...@apache.org wrote: Howdy; I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up using JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very powerful and expressive. What about trying to merge OGNL JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm pretty sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor calls, arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in the upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs). It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in the future rather than overlapping ones. Thoughts ? Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
@Stephen: OGNL is currently ownerless, as Lukasz reported, and he's the only one maintainer on github. Original authors agreed on donating the to the ASF, I suppose to provide OGNL community the support/maintainance that deserves. Someone else didn't agree already on taking in consideration yet another expression language, due to EL and JEXL already on Commons, that's why we proposed BeanUtils/JEXL. I would be the first happy on having it as a proper component. @Paul: sounds reasonable IMHO, even if the OGNL project looks more like a general purpose expression language, not strictly related to Struts. Personally there are still good reason to propose OGNL here at Commons, even if the Struts path would be acceptable http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Paul Benedict pbened...@apache.org wrote: Struts 2 is a big consumer of OGNL. The Struts community already consumed XWork's IP and now own it. Aren't both of those projects from OpenSymphony? If so, I would say it should go over to Struts. On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Stephen Colebourne scolebou...@joda.orgwrote: Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users. The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a bad thing). I'm certainly arguing against a straight push into BeanUtils or JEXL. Stephen On 1 March 2011 17:48, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi Henri, it would be fine for me, I initially suggested BeanUtils because already support a similar feature[1], but JEXL2 would work as well. Thanks for your feedbacks, looking forward to collect enough thoughts to call for a vote :) Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:37 PM, henrib hen...@apache.org wrote: Howdy; I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up using JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very powerful and expressive. What about trying to merge OGNL JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm pretty sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor calls, arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in the upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs). It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in the future rather than overlapping ones. Thoughts ? Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2011/3/1 Stephen Colebourne scolebou...@joda.org: Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users. Yep, that's true The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a bad thing). A home, right now OGNL is homeless and ownerless. As I know, Struts 2 and Tapestry are both using it extensively. Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Stephen Colebourne wrote: Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users. The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a bad thing). I'm certainly arguing against a straight push into BeanUtils or JEXL. +1 - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Hi all guys, just a small idea about it: BeanUtils is already maintaining something similar[1] to OGNL, that BTW is more sophisticated, so I propose to evaluate OGNL be accepted as part of BeanUtils, it should be a very good contribution that would improve the commons component. WDYT? Simo [1] http://s.apache.org/TqG http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: 2010/12/15 Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@scalaris.com: What happened to OpenSymphony that you cannot use their infrastructure anymore? I don't know, there was some rumor about domain owners or so. Also other projects were moved out from OpenSymphony: WebWork became Struts 2, XWork was moved to ASF and it's a part of Struts, Quartz as well. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Hi Lukasz, Lukasz Lenart wrote: Hi all, I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? What happened to OpenSymphony that you cannot use their infrastructure anymore? - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2010/12/15 Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@scalaris.com: What happened to OpenSymphony that you cannot use their infrastructure anymore? I don't know, there was some rumor about domain owners or so. Also other projects were moved out from OpenSymphony: WebWork became Struts 2, XWork was moved to ASF and it's a part of Struts, Quartz as well. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
On 14 December 2010 06:38, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: 2010/12/13 sebb seb...@gmail.com: OGNL is an Expression Language like UEL, it has some nice features like calling statics or using constructors. It's used internally by Struts 2 to evaluate user expressions and not only in JSP but in any other place. In which case it seems to be similar to Commons JEXL in approach and scope? Yep, probably. Can OGNL be used as a javax.script (JSR-223) language? Right now no, but in the future... So does it offer anything that JEXL does not? Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
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2010/12/14 sebb seb...@gmail.com: So does it offer anything that JEXL does not? I think no, it looks like JEXL2 is even much better than OGNL. I don't know JEXL2 so deep, but with OGNL you can create objects directly (o = new Object()) and you can call methods with parameters (foo.doit(o)). Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
+1. Just like to point out that duplication of featureset is not an issue in Commons. Hen On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? As I know OGNL is used by few ASF projects (Struts 2, Tapestry) and right now it's homeless project. It's very hard to prepare a new release, to update documentation, and so on. It would be much better to include it in Commons and base on ASF infrastructure. Right now I'm the only contributor to that project and I've been talking with the authors of OGNL and they agreed to move OGNL to ASF. What do you think? Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
RE: OGNL as a part of Commons
I am wondering how OGNL relates to Commons JXPath http://commons.apache.org/jxpath/ When would you use one vs. the other? I've thought about using JXPath to replace our custom in-house equivalent but never considered OGNL. Gary -Original Message- From: Lukasz Lenart [mailto:lukasz.len...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 02:39 To: dev@commons.apache.org Subject: OGNL as a part of Commons Hi all, I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? As I know OGNL is used by few ASF projects (Struts 2, Tapestry) and right now it's homeless project. It's very hard to prepare a new release, to update documentation, and so on. It would be much better to include it in Commons and base on ASF infrastructure. Right now I'm the only contributor to that project and I've been talking with the authors of OGNL and they agreed to move OGNL to ASF. What do you think? Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2010/12/13 Gary Gregory ggreg...@seagullsoftware.com: I am wondering how OGNL relates to Commons JXPath http://commons.apache.org/jxpath/ When would you use one vs. the other? OGNL is an Expression Language like UEL, it has some nice features like calling statics or using constructors. It's used internally by Struts 2 to evaluate user expressions and not only in JSP but in any other place. JXPath looks like a XPath for Java objects, so it's used to query for values from graph of objects. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
On 13 December 2010 20:57, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: 2010/12/13 Gary Gregory ggreg...@seagullsoftware.com: I am wondering how OGNL relates to Commons JXPath http://commons.apache.org/jxpath/ When would you use one vs. the other? OGNL is an Expression Language like UEL, it has some nice features like calling statics or using constructors. It's used internally by Struts 2 to evaluate user expressions and not only in JSP but in any other place. In which case it seems to be similar to Commons JEXL in approach and scope? Can OGNL be used as a javax.script (JSR-223) language? JXPath looks like a XPath for Java objects, so it's used to query for values from graph of objects. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
2010/12/13 sebb seb...@gmail.com: OGNL is an Expression Language like UEL, it has some nice features like calling statics or using constructors. It's used internally by Struts 2 to evaluate user expressions and not only in JSP but in any other place. In which case it seems to be similar to Commons JEXL in approach and scope? Yep, probably. Can OGNL be used as a javax.script (JSR-223) language? Right now no, but in the future... Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
OGNL as a part of Commons
Hi all, I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? As I know OGNL is used by few ASF projects (Struts 2, Tapestry) and right now it's homeless project. It's very hard to prepare a new release, to update documentation, and so on. It would be much better to include it in Commons and base on ASF infrastructure. Right now I'm the only contributor to that project and I've been talking with the authors of OGNL and they agreed to move OGNL to ASF. What do you think? Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
