Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-07 Thread Pascal Schumacher 

What I really wanted to say was:

I'm for keeping RandomStringUtils undeprecated in lang.

Sorry,
Pascal

Am 06.09.2017 um 21:20 schrieb Gary Gregory:

On Sep 6, 2017 12:31, "Pascal Schumacher"  wrote:

I'm for keeping RandomStringUtils in lang (at least in 3.x).


It has to stay in 3.x no matter what to maintain BC.

Gary



Am 06.09.2017 um 12:55 schrieb Rob Tompkins:


On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:

Hi Rob,

Looking at frequency I think more number of requests coming
for RandomStringUtils for its simplicity.

RandomStringGenerator is strong , flexible but one can't use it quickly.
Also I think this tool should belong in Commons text's arsenal. I'm not
only moving RandomStringUtils  to text but changing its core logic with
using
RandomStringGenerator which seems fair to me. So finally we should release
text-1.2 rather doing rollback of deprecation and release lang 3.6.1,
WDYT
?

I definitely lean this direction, but if I recall correctly we drew “line

between [lang] and [text]” to be: a piece of functionality should go in
[lang] if the arbitrary java developer would probably want it, whereas text
is geared towards folks actually doing text manipulation [1].

Personally I’m a +0 to +1 on doing this, but I wanted to gauge other
folks’ thoughts here because I feel like we’re in that grey area here. That
said, I’m perfectly willing to roll a 1.2 [text] release.

Cheers,
-Rob

[1] http://markmail.org/message/a2urysnxvxihfoto

Regards,

Amey

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 AM Rob Tompkins  wrote:

On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:

Hello Benedikt,

How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ?


[snip]

I’m on board with this if folks are complaining and the original intent
was to deprecate things in [lang]. Why not roll forward as opposed to
backwards?

But, that opens the question: Is RandomStringUtils something that most
folks would want (i.e. should it be in [lang] or [text])? I think that
question is more the heart of the problem here. Either direction seems
reasonable to me.

Thoughts?

-Rob

I will

submit changes [1] related to this in fact i'm fixing couple of failing
test cases ATM. If you are planning to release 3.6.1 just to remove
deprecation and  deprecate RandomStringUtils back in Lang - 3.7 I'm fine
with that as well.

[1]. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEXT-101

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Benedikt Ritter 


wrote:


Hi,

since we’re getting more and more requests about the deprecation of
RandomStringUtils, I’m thinking about releasing the current state of
the
master branch as 3.6.1. I may have time to push an RC sometime this


week.
So if you have some fixes you want to include, please do so now.

Regards,
Benedikt
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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-06 Thread Gary Gregory 
On Sep 6, 2017 12:31, "Pascal Schumacher"  wrote:

I'm for keeping RandomStringUtils in lang (at least in 3.x).


It has to stay in 3.x no matter what to maintain BC.

Gary



Am 06.09.2017 um 12:55 schrieb Rob Tompkins:

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> Looking at frequency I think more number of requests coming
>> for RandomStringUtils for its simplicity.
>>
>> RandomStringGenerator is strong , flexible but one can't use it quickly.
>> Also I think this tool should belong in Commons text's arsenal. I'm not
>> only moving RandomStringUtils  to text but changing its core logic with
>> using
>> RandomStringGenerator which seems fair to me. So finally we should release
>> text-1.2 rather doing rollback of deprecation and release lang 3.6.1,
>> WDYT
>> ?
>>
>> I definitely lean this direction, but if I recall correctly we drew “line
> between [lang] and [text]” to be: a piece of functionality should go in
> [lang] if the arbitrary java developer would probably want it, whereas text
> is geared towards folks actually doing text manipulation [1].
>
> Personally I’m a +0 to +1 on doing this, but I wanted to gauge other
> folks’ thoughts here because I feel like we’re in that grey area here. That
> said, I’m perfectly willing to roll a 1.2 [text] release.
>
> Cheers,
> -Rob
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/a2urysnxvxihfoto
>
> Regards,
>> Amey
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 AM Rob Tompkins  wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:

 Hello Benedikt,

 How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ?

>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> I’m on board with this if folks are complaining and the original intent
>>> was to deprecate things in [lang]. Why not roll forward as opposed to
>>> backwards?
>>>
>>> But, that opens the question: Is RandomStringUtils something that most
>>> folks would want (i.e. should it be in [lang] or [text])? I think that
>>> question is more the heart of the problem here. Either direction seems
>>> reasonable to me.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>> I will
 submit changes [1] related to this in fact i'm fixing couple of failing
 test cases ATM. If you are planning to release 3.6.1 just to remove
 deprecation and  deprecate RandomStringUtils back in Lang - 3.7 I'm fine
 with that as well.

 [1]. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEXT-101

 On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Benedikt Ritter 

>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
>
> since we’re getting more and more requests about the deprecation of
> RandomStringUtils, I’m thinking about releasing the current state of
> the
> master branch as 3.6.1. I may have time to push an RC sometime this
>
 week.
>>>
 So if you have some fixes you want to include, please do so now.
>
> Regards,
> Benedikt
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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-06 Thread Pascal Schumacher 

I'm for keeping RandomStringUtils in lang (at least in 3.x).

Am 06.09.2017 um 12:55 schrieb Rob Tompkins:

On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:

Hi Rob,

Looking at frequency I think more number of requests coming
for RandomStringUtils for its simplicity.

RandomStringGenerator is strong , flexible but one can't use it quickly.
Also I think this tool should belong in Commons text's arsenal. I'm not
only moving RandomStringUtils  to text but changing its core logic with
using
RandomStringGenerator which seems fair to me. So finally we should release
text-1.2 rather doing rollback of deprecation and release lang 3.6.1,  WDYT
?


I definitely lean this direction, but if I recall correctly we drew “line 
between [lang] and [text]” to be: a piece of functionality should go in [lang] 
if the arbitrary java developer would probably want it, whereas text is geared 
towards folks actually doing text manipulation [1].

Personally I’m a +0 to +1 on doing this, but I wanted to gauge other folks’ 
thoughts here because I feel like we’re in that grey area here. That said, I’m 
perfectly willing to roll a 1.2 [text] release.

Cheers,
-Rob

[1] http://markmail.org/message/a2urysnxvxihfoto


Regards,
Amey

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 AM Rob Tompkins  wrote:


On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:

Hello Benedikt,

How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ?

[snip]

I’m on board with this if folks are complaining and the original intent
was to deprecate things in [lang]. Why not roll forward as opposed to
backwards?

But, that opens the question: Is RandomStringUtils something that most
folks would want (i.e. should it be in [lang] or [text])? I think that
question is more the heart of the problem here. Either direction seems
reasonable to me.

Thoughts?

-Rob


I will
submit changes [1] related to this in fact i'm fixing couple of failing
test cases ATM. If you are planning to release 3.6.1 just to remove
deprecation and  deprecate RandomStringUtils back in Lang - 3.7 I'm fine
with that as well.

[1]. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEXT-101

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Benedikt Ritter 

wrote:

Hi,

since we’re getting more and more requests about the deprecation of
RandomStringUtils, I’m thinking about releasing the current state of the
master branch as 3.6.1. I may have time to push an RC sometime this

week.

So if you have some fixes you want to include, please do so now.

Regards,
Benedikt
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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-06 Thread Rob Tompkins 

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:05 AM, Gilles  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 06:55:49 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rob,
>>> 
>>> Looking at frequency I think more number of requests coming
>>> for RandomStringUtils for its simplicity.
>>> 
>>> RandomStringGenerator is strong , flexible but one can't use it quickly.
>>> Also I think this tool should belong in Commons text's arsenal. I'm not
>>> only moving RandomStringUtils  to text but changing its core logic with
>>> using
>>> RandomStringGenerator which seems fair to me. So finally we should release
>>> text-1.2 rather doing rollback of deprecation and release lang 3.6.1,  WDYT
>>> ?
>>> 
>> 
>> I definitely lean this direction, but if I recall correctly we drew
>> “line between [lang] and [text]” to be: a piece of functionality
>> should go in [lang] if the arbitrary java developer would probably
>> want it, whereas text is geared towards folks actually doing text
>> manipulation [1].
>> 
>> Personally I’m a +0 to +1 on doing this, but I wanted to gauge other
>> folks’ thoughts here because I feel like we’re in that grey area here.
>> That said, I’m perfectly willing to roll a 1.2 [text] release.
> 
> "Grey area" should favour small components.

Fair point. I take that to mean that you think that it should either go into 
text to make lang smaller or its own component. 

I suppose because the generator lives in [text] that makes a good argument for 
[text].

More thoughts out there?

-Rob 

> 
> Gilles
> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> -Rob
>> 
>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/a2urysnxvxihfoto
>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Amey
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 AM Rob Tompkins  wrote:
>>> 
 
> On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:
> 
> Hello Benedikt,
> 
> How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ?
 [snip]
 
 I’m on board with this if folks are complaining and the original intent
 was to deprecate things in [lang]. Why not roll forward as opposed to
 backwards?
 
 But, that opens the question: Is RandomStringUtils something that most
 folks would want (i.e. should it be in [lang] or [text])? I think that
 question is more the heart of the problem here. Either direction seems
 reasonable to me.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 -Rob
 
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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-06 Thread Gilles 

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 06:55:49 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Amey Jadiye  
wrote:


Hi Rob,

Looking at frequency I think more number of requests coming
for RandomStringUtils for its simplicity.

RandomStringGenerator is strong , flexible but one can't use it 
quickly.
Also I think this tool should belong in Commons text's arsenal. I'm 
not
only moving RandomStringUtils  to text but changing its core logic 
with

using
RandomStringGenerator which seems fair to me. So finally we should 
release
text-1.2 rather doing rollback of deprecation and release lang 
3.6.1,  WDYT

?



I definitely lean this direction, but if I recall correctly we drew
“line between [lang] and [text]” to be: a piece of functionality
should go in [lang] if the arbitrary java developer would probably
want it, whereas text is geared towards folks actually doing text
manipulation [1].

Personally I’m a +0 to +1 on doing this, but I wanted to gauge other
folks’ thoughts here because I feel like we’re in that grey area 
here.

That said, I’m perfectly willing to roll a 1.2 [text] release.


"Grey area" should favour small components.

Gilles



Cheers,
-Rob

[1] http://markmail.org/message/a2urysnxvxihfoto


Regards,
Amey

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 AM Rob Tompkins  
wrote:




On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Amey Jadiye  
wrote:


Hello Benedikt,

How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ?

[snip]

I’m on board with this if folks are complaining and the original 
intent
was to deprecate things in [lang]. Why not roll forward as opposed 
to

backwards?

But, that opens the question: Is RandomStringUtils something that 
most
folks would want (i.e. should it be in [lang] or [text])? I think 
that
question is more the heart of the problem here. Either direction 
seems

reasonable to me.

Thoughts?

-Rob




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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-06 Thread Rob Tompkins 

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> Looking at frequency I think more number of requests coming
> for RandomStringUtils for its simplicity.
> 
> RandomStringGenerator is strong , flexible but one can't use it quickly.
> Also I think this tool should belong in Commons text's arsenal. I'm not
> only moving RandomStringUtils  to text but changing its core logic with
> using
> RandomStringGenerator which seems fair to me. So finally we should release
> text-1.2 rather doing rollback of deprecation and release lang 3.6.1,  WDYT
> ?
> 

I definitely lean this direction, but if I recall correctly we drew “line 
between [lang] and [text]” to be: a piece of functionality should go in [lang] 
if the arbitrary java developer would probably want it, whereas text is geared 
towards folks actually doing text manipulation [1].

Personally I’m a +0 to +1 on doing this, but I wanted to gauge other folks’ 
thoughts here because I feel like we’re in that grey area here. That said, I’m 
perfectly willing to roll a 1.2 [text] release.

Cheers,
-Rob

[1] http://markmail.org/message/a2urysnxvxihfoto

> Regards,
> Amey
> 
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 AM Rob Tompkins  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Benedikt,
>>> 
>>> How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ?
>> [snip]
>> 
>> I’m on board with this if folks are complaining and the original intent
>> was to deprecate things in [lang]. Why not roll forward as opposed to
>> backwards?
>> 
>> But, that opens the question: Is RandomStringUtils something that most
>> folks would want (i.e. should it be in [lang] or [text])? I think that
>> question is more the heart of the problem here. Either direction seems
>> reasonable to me.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>>> I will
>>> submit changes [1] related to this in fact i'm fixing couple of failing
>>> test cases ATM. If you are planning to release 3.6.1 just to remove
>>> deprecation and  deprecate RandomStringUtils back in Lang - 3.7 I'm fine
>>> with that as well.
>>> 
>>> [1]. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEXT-101
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Benedikt Ritter 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 since we’re getting more and more requests about the deprecation of
 RandomStringUtils, I’m thinking about releasing the current state of the
 master branch as 3.6.1. I may have time to push an RC sometime this
>> week.
 So if you have some fixes you want to include, please do so now.
 
 Regards,
 Benedikt
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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-06 Thread Amey Jadiye 
Hi Rob,

Looking at frequency I think more number of requests coming
for RandomStringUtils for its simplicity.

 RandomStringGenerator is strong , flexible but one can't use it quickly.
Also I think this tool should belong in Commons text's arsenal. I'm not
only moving RandomStringUtils  to text but changing its core logic with
using
RandomStringGenerator which seems fair to me. So finally we should release
text-1.2 rather doing rollback of deprecation and release lang 3.6.1,  WDYT
?

Regards,
Amey

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017, 12:00 AM Rob Tompkins  wrote:

>
> > On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Benedikt,
> >
> > How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ?
> [snip]
>
> I’m on board with this if folks are complaining and the original intent
> was to deprecate things in [lang]. Why not roll forward as opposed to
> backwards?
>
> But, that opens the question: Is RandomStringUtils something that most
> folks would want (i.e. should it be in [lang] or [text])? I think that
> question is more the heart of the problem here. Either direction seems
> reasonable to me.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Rob
>
> > I will
> > submit changes [1] related to this in fact i'm fixing couple of failing
> > test cases ATM. If you are planning to release 3.6.1 just to remove
> > deprecation and  deprecate RandomStringUtils back in Lang - 3.7 I'm fine
> > with that as well.
> >
> > [1]. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEXT-101
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Benedikt Ritter 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> since we’re getting more and more requests about the deprecation of
> >> RandomStringUtils, I’m thinking about releasing the current state of the
> >> master branch as 3.6.1. I may have time to push an RC sometime this
> week.
> >> So if you have some fixes you want to include, please do so now.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Benedikt
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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-05 Thread Pascal Schumacher 
+1

Am 5. September 2017 07:17:57 MESZ schrieb Benedikt Ritter :
>Hi,
>
>since we’re getting more and more requests about the deprecation of
>RandomStringUtils, I’m thinking about releasing the current state of
>the master branch as 3.6.1. I may have time to push an RC sometime this
>week. So if you have some fixes you want to include, please do so now.
>
>Regards,
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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-05 Thread Rob Tompkins 

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Amey Jadiye  wrote:
> 
> Hello Benedikt,
> 
> How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ?
[snip]

I’m on board with this if folks are complaining and the original intent was to 
deprecate things in [lang]. Why not roll forward as opposed to backwards? 

But, that opens the question: Is RandomStringUtils something that most folks 
would want (i.e. should it be in [lang] or [text])? I think that question is 
more the heart of the problem here. Either direction seems reasonable to me.

Thoughts?

-Rob

> I will
> submit changes [1] related to this in fact i'm fixing couple of failing
> test cases ATM. If you are planning to release 3.6.1 just to remove
> deprecation and  deprecate RandomStringUtils back in Lang - 3.7 I'm fine
> with that as well.
> 
> [1]. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEXT-101
> 
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Benedikt Ritter  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> since we’re getting more and more requests about the deprecation of
>> RandomStringUtils, I’m thinking about releasing the current state of the
>> master branch as 3.6.1. I may have time to push an RC sometime this week.
>> So if you have some fixes you want to include, please do so now.
>> 
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>> Benedikt
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Re: [LANG] Releasing 3.6.1

2017-09-05 Thread Amey Jadiye 
Hello Benedikt,

How about we keep that deprecated in lang and release Text-1.2 ? I will
submit changes [1] related to this in fact i'm fixing couple of failing
test cases ATM. If you are planning to release 3.6.1 just to remove
deprecation and  deprecate RandomStringUtils back in Lang - 3.7 I'm fine
with that as well.

[1]. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TEXT-101

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Benedikt Ritter  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> since we’re getting more and more requests about the deprecation of
> RandomStringUtils, I’m thinking about releasing the current state of the
> master branch as 3.6.1. I may have time to push an RC sometime this week.
> So if you have some fixes you want to include, please do so now.
>
> Regards,
> Benedikt
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