Re: tuweni

[Shi Jinghai]

Thank you Dave, I have subscribed to the tuweni dev mail list.


-邮件原件-
发件人: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
发送时间: 2019年4月2日 13:25
收件人: dev@community.apache.org
抄送: Felix Schumacher
主题: Re: tuweni

Hi Shi Jinghai,

The project is literally starting at Apache now, I’m one of the mentors and 
don’t know the project’s deep technical details, I’m involved to get the 
project started on the Apache Way.

Please subscribe to the new dev list by sending an email to 
dev-subscr...@tuweni.apache.org  . You 
can then ask what you want. Please be patient as the team signs up.

Regards,
Dave

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 10:14 PM, Shi Jinghai  wrote:
> 
> Great!!!
> 
> On the BPEL part, could I publish a drools jar as a contract to tuweni?
> 
> 
> -邮件原件-
> 发件人: Oleg Tikhonov [mailto:olegtikho...@gmail.com] 
> 发送时间: 2019年3月31日 22:55
> 收件人: dev@community.apache.org
> 抄送: Felix Schumacher
> 主题: Re: tuweni
> 
> Thanks for the update !!!
> Looks very good. Really appreciate that!
> 
> BR,
> Oleg
> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Tuweni just entered Incubation last week and resources are mostly
>> allocated. We are starting to onboard the committers this coming week.
>> 
>> The status page is coming soon and I’ll be looking into the clutch start
>> date bug.
>> 
>> The proposal is here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CavaProposal
>> 
>> The podling was renamed before starting. It’s a blockchain project.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:46 AM, Oleg Tikhonov 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you all !!!
>>> Very impressed :-)
>>> 
>>> My first intention was - to have a look at source code, read a readme
>> etc.
>>> Look forward for more progress from where I could help.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Oleg
>>> 
>>> BTW:
>>> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/tuweni.html
>>> I guess the creation date should be updated to "now" instead of "
>> Updated:
>>> 01/01/1970 "
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:22 AM Felix Schumacher <
>>> felix.schumac...@internetallee.de> wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Am 31. März 2019 09:13:30 MESZ schrieb Oleg Tikhonov :
> Hi guys,
> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
> project:
> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
> 
> The link does not seem to work.
 
 This seems to be a rather new project. Maybe the web page has not been
 uploaded yet. The mailing list seems to work, though.
 
 https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org
 
 Regards
 Felix
 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Oleg
 
>> 
> 
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Re: tuweni

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Shi Jinghai,

The project is literally starting at Apache now, I’m one of the mentors and 
don’t know the project’s deep technical details, I’m involved to get the 
project started on the Apache Way.

Please subscribe to the new dev list by sending an email to 
dev-subscr...@tuweni.apache.org  . You 
can then ask what you want. Please be patient as the team signs up.

Regards,
Dave

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 10:14 PM, Shi Jinghai  wrote:
> 
> Great!!!
> 
> On the BPEL part, could I publish a drools jar as a contract to tuweni?
> 
> 
> -邮件原件-
> 发件人: Oleg Tikhonov [mailto:olegtikho...@gmail.com] 
> 发送时间: 2019年3月31日 22:55
> 收件人: dev@community.apache.org
> 抄送: Felix Schumacher
> 主题: Re: tuweni
> 
> Thanks for the update !!!
> Looks very good. Really appreciate that!
> 
> BR,
> Oleg
> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Tuweni just entered Incubation last week and resources are mostly
>> allocated. We are starting to onboard the committers this coming week.
>> 
>> The status page is coming soon and I’ll be looking into the clutch start
>> date bug.
>> 
>> The proposal is here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CavaProposal
>> 
>> The podling was renamed before starting. It’s a blockchain project.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:46 AM, Oleg Tikhonov 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you all !!!
>>> Very impressed :-)
>>> 
>>> My first intention was - to have a look at source code, read a readme
>> etc.
>>> Look forward for more progress from where I could help.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Oleg
>>> 
>>> BTW:
>>> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/tuweni.html
>>> I guess the creation date should be updated to "now" instead of "
>> Updated:
>>> 01/01/1970 "
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:22 AM Felix Schumacher <
>>> felix.schumac...@internetallee.de> wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Am 31. März 2019 09:13:30 MESZ schrieb Oleg Tikhonov :
> Hi guys,
> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
> project:
> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
> 
> The link does not seem to work.
 
 This seems to be a rather new project. Maybe the web page has not been
 uploaded yet. The mailing list seems to work, though.
 
 https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org
 
 Regards
 Felix
 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Oleg
 
>> 
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Re: tuweni

[Shi Jinghai]

Great!!!

On the BPEL part, could I publish a drools jar as a contract to tuweni?


-邮件原件-
发件人: Oleg Tikhonov [mailto:olegtikho...@gmail.com] 
发送时间: 2019年3月31日 22:55
收件人: dev@community.apache.org
抄送: Felix Schumacher
主题: Re: tuweni

Thanks for the update !!!
Looks very good. Really appreciate that!

BR,
Oleg

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Tuweni just entered Incubation last week and resources are mostly
> allocated. We are starting to onboard the committers this coming week.
>
> The status page is coming soon and I’ll be looking into the clutch start
> date bug.
>
> The proposal is here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CavaProposal
>
> The podling was renamed before starting. It’s a blockchain project.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:46 AM, Oleg Tikhonov 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you all !!!
> > Very impressed :-)
> >
> > My first intention was - to have a look at source code, read a readme
> etc.
> > Look forward for more progress from where I could help.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> > Best regards,
> > Oleg
> >
> > BTW:
> > https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/tuweni.html
> > I guess the creation date should be updated to "now" instead of "
> Updated:
> > 01/01/1970 "
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:22 AM Felix Schumacher <
> > felix.schumac...@internetallee.de> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 31. März 2019 09:13:30 MESZ schrieb Oleg Tikhonov :
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>> I'm wondering if somebody knows where can I get more info about this
> >>> project:
> >>> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html
> >>>
> >>> The link does not seem to work.
> >>
> >> This seems to be a rather new project. Maybe the web page has not been
> >> uploaded yet. The mailing list seems to work, though.
> >>
> >> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Felix
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>> Oleg
> >>
>


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Re: on "meritocracy"

[Griselda Cuevas]

Another update.

I'm writing the note to operati...@apache.org to request the creation of an
entity to support and govern diversity and inclusion work. I've added the
name of everyone who volunteered here initially, with the caveat that I
might have missed someone, so please follow up on the new thread when I
send it, nothing intentional.

I've also included a potential framework to work under. You can see it
illustrated in this talk I gave at OSCON last year:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FV_9geYGoclJeBb7Ld8Jy0Ze3ex8lTm77dZ6l31y8zo/edit#slide=id.g3e2640810d_1_6

I've also requested an initial quote from the firm we work on Research for
OSS contributor documentation (Guidea). I've asked for pricing on a project
that will deliver on this:
- Identify factors preventing under represented groups to contribute/join
Apache projects
- Recommendations in how to foster diversity & inclusion based in findings
- Help establishing a D&I committee

I'll report back their quote.

On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 14:15, Griselda Cuevas  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 17:38, Sam Ruby  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:25 PM Griselda Cuevas 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks everyone for the encouragement and recognition.
>> >
>> > I'm happy to work on the Jira board this weekend. Can I just start a new
>> > one on my personal account and add people to it? or does someone need to
>> > create it under an Apache account? - If the later, can someone create it
>> > and give me admin access?
>>
>> No private JIRA.  Needs to be ASF hosted.  It is a simple request to
>> the infra team, and yes, you can have admin access.
>>
>
> Just filed a Jira against Infra requesting the board.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18147
>
>
>> > I will then populate it with the initial structure and will seed it with
>> > components and the deliverables I outlined. I will add the people who
>> > indicated interest so they can select where they want to contribute.
>> >
>> > In terms of comm channels, can we also create a slack channel?
>>
>> Slack channels tend to disadvantage people who can't be available at a
>> given time (either due to other commitments or time zones).  We use it
>> in infra for time sensitive coordination, but my sense is that the D&I
>> work should be done in a more... dare I say it... inclusive manner
>> using mailing lists and JIRA and the like.
>>
>
> Agree. Let's start with the Jira & mailing list. Could you help with
> creating the diversity & inclusion mailing list?
>
>
>> > // I will comment on Kenn's point in a separate note, he outlined great
>> > points for us to put into an overall D&I strategy
>> >
>> > Thanks everyone!
>>
>> And you deserve thanks for volunteering!
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
>> > On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 16:51, Kenneth Knowles  wrote:
>> >
>> > > I don't find this off-topic. I am grateful for this profile of Drupal,
>> > > which I otherwise would not have been exposed to. Thanks Justin!
>> > >
>> > > I want to bring the main section headers and key items (curated by
>> me) of
>> > > the Drupal article on list for ease of reading and archival.
>> Apologies for
>> > > redundancy with the links that Justin shared.
>> > >
>> > > 1. Institute a community-wide code of conduct
>> > > a. With a working group to escalate to for mediation
>> > >
>> > > 2. Elevate a diverse group of leaders
>> > > a. have a D&I board to advance initiatives surrounding D&I
>> > > b. and a D&I contribution team to help underrepresented people
>> > > contribute to the Drupal codebase
>> > > c. address D&I in values: "We believe that the Drupal project
>> benefits
>> > > from a diverse contribution pool, and we strive to foster a welcoming
>> and
>> > > inclusive culture everywhere Drupal exists—at events, online, and in
>> our
>> > > workplaces”
>> > >
>> > > 3. Make your project accessible to a diverse user base (hits home as I
>> > > think a lot about how they user base becomes the contributor base)
>> > >
>> > > 4. How private companies can promote open source diversity
>> > > a. for most engineers, open source work is a luxury, and one that
>> is
>> > > not afforded to underrepresented people
>> > > b. companies—particularly ones that profit from open source
>> > > technology—can solve this problem by giving employees time to
>> contribute to
>> > > the projects the company uses
>> > >
>> > > It sounds like the work Gris has been doing is like the work of the
>> Drupal
>> > > D&I board and also the Drupal D&I contribution team.
>> > >
>> > > Kenn
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:40 PM Justin Mclean <
>> jus...@classsoftware.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > Slightly off topic but relevant. One think we could do is look at
>> other
>> > > > foundations and communities and see what they have done that has
>> worked
>> > > for
>> > > > them. I come across this interesting artifice this morning [1].
>> Note it
>> > > > includes the steps that community took to build

Re: on "meritocracy"

[Sam Ruby]

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:33 PM Griselda Cuevas  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 17:38, Sam Ruby  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:25 PM Griselda Cuevas 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone for the encouragement and recognition.
> > >
> > > I'm happy to work on the Jira board this weekend. Can I just start a new
> > > one on my personal account and add people to it? or does someone need to
> > > create it under an Apache account? - If the later, can someone create it
> > > and give me admin access?
> >
> > No private JIRA.  Needs to be ASF hosted.  It is a simple request to
> > the infra team, and yes, you can have admin access.
> >
>
> Just filed a Jira against Infra requesting the board.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18147
>
>
> > > I will then populate it with the initial structure and will seed it with
> > > components and the deliverables I outlined. I will add the people who
> > > indicated interest so they can select where they want to contribute.
> > >
> > > In terms of comm channels, can we also create a slack channel?
> >
> > Slack channels tend to disadvantage people who can't be available at a
> > given time (either due to other commitments or time zones).  We use it
> > in infra for time sensitive coordination, but my sense is that the D&I
> > work should be done in a more... dare I say it... inclusive manner
> > using mailing lists and JIRA and the like.
> >
>
> Agree. Let's start with the Jira & mailing list. Could you help with
> creating the diversity & inclusion mailing list?

What would you like for the name of the list?  divers...@apache.org?
da...@pache.org?  d...@apache.org?  If you pick a name, you can request
this yourself by going to:

https://selfserve.apache.org/mail.html

You can make the basename either community.apache.org or apache.org.
I'd suggest the latter.

- Sam Ruby

> > > // I will comment on Kenn's point in a separate note, he outlined great
> > > points for us to put into an overall D&I strategy
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone!
> >
> > And you deserve thanks for volunteering!
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
> > > On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 16:51, Kenneth Knowles  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't find this off-topic. I am grateful for this profile of Drupal,
> > > > which I otherwise would not have been exposed to. Thanks Justin!
> > > >
> > > > I want to bring the main section headers and key items (curated by me)
> > of
> > > > the Drupal article on list for ease of reading and archival. Apologies
> > for
> > > > redundancy with the links that Justin shared.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Institute a community-wide code of conduct
> > > > a. With a working group to escalate to for mediation
> > > >
> > > > 2. Elevate a diverse group of leaders
> > > > a. have a D&I board to advance initiatives surrounding D&I
> > > > b. and a D&I contribution team to help underrepresented people
> > > > contribute to the Drupal codebase
> > > > c. address D&I in values: "We believe that the Drupal project
> > benefits
> > > > from a diverse contribution pool, and we strive to foster a welcoming
> > and
> > > > inclusive culture everywhere Drupal exists—at events, online, and in
> > our
> > > > workplaces”
> > > >
> > > > 3. Make your project accessible to a diverse user base (hits home as I
> > > > think a lot about how they user base becomes the contributor base)
> > > >
> > > > 4. How private companies can promote open source diversity
> > > > a. for most engineers, open source work is a luxury, and one that
> > is
> > > > not afforded to underrepresented people
> > > > b. companies—particularly ones that profit from open source
> > > > technology—can solve this problem by giving employees time to
> > contribute to
> > > > the projects the company uses
> > > >
> > > > It sounds like the work Gris has been doing is like the work of the
> > Drupal
> > > > D&I board and also the Drupal D&I contribution team.
> > > >
> > > > Kenn
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:40 PM Justin Mclean <
> > jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Slightly off topic but relevant. One think we could do is look at
> > other
> > > > > foundations and communities and see what they have done that has
> > worked
> > > > for
> > > > > them. I come across this interesting artifice this morning [1]. Note
> > it
> > > > > includes the steps that community took to build a diverse community,
> > I’d
> > > > > also note we’ve taken some of those steps (e.g. have a code of
> > conduct)
> > > > but
> > > > > perhaps shows where we could do more. They have set up a Drupal
> > > > Diversity &
> > > > > Inclusion team [5] that spells out it values [2] and has  among other
> > > > > things guide on moderation, [3] and participation [4], Now the ASF is
> > > > > different to Drupal and some of those tings may not fit but it would
> > be
> > > > > useful I think to at least consider them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Justin
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.
> 

Re: on "meritocracy"

[Griselda Cuevas]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 17:38, Sam Ruby  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:25 PM Griselda Cuevas 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks everyone for the encouragement and recognition.
> >
> > I'm happy to work on the Jira board this weekend. Can I just start a new
> > one on my personal account and add people to it? or does someone need to
> > create it under an Apache account? - If the later, can someone create it
> > and give me admin access?
>
> No private JIRA.  Needs to be ASF hosted.  It is a simple request to
> the infra team, and yes, you can have admin access.
>

Just filed a Jira against Infra requesting the board.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18147


> > I will then populate it with the initial structure and will seed it with
> > components and the deliverables I outlined. I will add the people who
> > indicated interest so they can select where they want to contribute.
> >
> > In terms of comm channels, can we also create a slack channel?
>
> Slack channels tend to disadvantage people who can't be available at a
> given time (either due to other commitments or time zones).  We use it
> in infra for time sensitive coordination, but my sense is that the D&I
> work should be done in a more... dare I say it... inclusive manner
> using mailing lists and JIRA and the like.
>

Agree. Let's start with the Jira & mailing list. Could you help with
creating the diversity & inclusion mailing list?


> > // I will comment on Kenn's point in a separate note, he outlined great
> > points for us to put into an overall D&I strategy
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
>
> And you deserve thanks for volunteering!
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> > On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 16:51, Kenneth Knowles  wrote:
> >
> > > I don't find this off-topic. I am grateful for this profile of Drupal,
> > > which I otherwise would not have been exposed to. Thanks Justin!
> > >
> > > I want to bring the main section headers and key items (curated by me)
> of
> > > the Drupal article on list for ease of reading and archival. Apologies
> for
> > > redundancy with the links that Justin shared.
> > >
> > > 1. Institute a community-wide code of conduct
> > > a. With a working group to escalate to for mediation
> > >
> > > 2. Elevate a diverse group of leaders
> > > a. have a D&I board to advance initiatives surrounding D&I
> > > b. and a D&I contribution team to help underrepresented people
> > > contribute to the Drupal codebase
> > > c. address D&I in values: "We believe that the Drupal project
> benefits
> > > from a diverse contribution pool, and we strive to foster a welcoming
> and
> > > inclusive culture everywhere Drupal exists—at events, online, and in
> our
> > > workplaces”
> > >
> > > 3. Make your project accessible to a diverse user base (hits home as I
> > > think a lot about how they user base becomes the contributor base)
> > >
> > > 4. How private companies can promote open source diversity
> > > a. for most engineers, open source work is a luxury, and one that
> is
> > > not afforded to underrepresented people
> > > b. companies—particularly ones that profit from open source
> > > technology—can solve this problem by giving employees time to
> contribute to
> > > the projects the company uses
> > >
> > > It sounds like the work Gris has been doing is like the work of the
> Drupal
> > > D&I board and also the Drupal D&I contribution team.
> > >
> > > Kenn
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:40 PM Justin Mclean <
> jus...@classsoftware.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Slightly off topic but relevant. One think we could do is look at
> other
> > > > foundations and communities and see what they have done that has
> worked
> > > for
> > > > them. I come across this interesting artifice this morning [1]. Note
> it
> > > > includes the steps that community took to build a diverse community,
> I’d
> > > > also note we’ve taken some of those steps (e.g. have a code of
> conduct)
> > > but
> > > > perhaps shows where we could do more. They have set up a Drupal
> > > Diversity &
> > > > Inclusion team [5] that spells out it values [2] and has  among other
> > > > things guide on moderation, [3] and participation [4], Now the ASF is
> > > > different to Drupal and some of those tings may not fit but it would
> be
> > > > useful I think to at least consider them.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Justin
> > > >
> > > > 1.
> > > >
> > >
> https://angel.co/blog/drupals-angela-byron-on-building-a-diverse-community
> > > > 2.
> > > >
> > >
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/statement-of-values
> > > > 3.
> > > >
> > >
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/drupal-diversity-inclusion-participation-moderation-1
> > > > 4.
> > > >
> > >
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/participation-moderation-guidelines/participant-guidelines
> > > > 5. https://www.drupal.org/project/diversity
> > > > 

Re: Diversity / Inclusion

[Austin Bennett]

Thanks, Bertrand,

I had found it and subscribed when it was mentioned, and had seen the
thread circulating this morning.  It hadn't seemed like much was formalized
there (from what I had read in the archives), but I should just post a
similar message to that group and see what happens!  (thanks for the nudge)



On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:29 AM Bertrand Delacretaz 
wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 3:38 PM Roy Lenferink 
> wrote:
> > ...Since a month we have got a training podling as well
>
> FWIW that mailing list is at
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@training.apache.org
>
> -Bertrand
>

Re: on "meritocracy"

[Rich Bowen]

On 3/30/19 10:25 AM, Naomi Slater wrote:

we don't need to get buy-in from everyone. thank God. because it would
never happen. all we need is a critical mass in order to be able to get
work done.


SO. MUCH. THIS.

I didn't read this thread at all this weekend, and this morning am 
trying to push down my irritation with the "prove to me that a problem 
exists" nature of a number of the posts here, and focus on the folks 
making actionable plans.


There is, indeed, honor in the email not sent. I have accrued much honor 
this morning. :D


--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com
http://rcbowen.com/
@rbowen

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Re: Diversity / Inclusion

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 3:38 PM Roy Lenferink  wrote:
> ...Since a month we have got a training podling as well

FWIW that mailing list is at
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@training.apache.org

-Bertrand

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Re: on "meritocracy"

[Naomi Slater]

thanks so much for this, Mark! this is great! I'm feeling more hopeful than
ever that something really good can come from this!

On Sun 31. Mar 2019 at 21:59, Mark Thomas  wrote:

> I asked the D&I folks at $dayjob for some advice / suggestions and got
> back the following:
>
> 1. Mozilla have been doing some work in this area. It was suggested we
> reach out to them to get the benefit of their experience. Anyone have
> any contacts there?
>
> 2. Mozilla joined https://womensleadership.stanford.edu/corporate as
> part of their program.
>
> 3. Consider sending folks to relevant conferences e.g.
> http://www.womentransformingtechnology.com/
>
> 4. Creating a vision for inclusion
>
> 5. Various workshops (psychological safety, inclusion) and other
> educational sessions
>
> 6. Hearing from leadership on these topics.
>
> 7. Making the content core not extra-curricular.
>
>
> Trying to translate what some of this might look like at the ASF:
>
> I think a lot of this is already covered by what Griselda set out here:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a5e7e30fad3e89547db554cf64b10d33611d4401356590bddf94b918@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
>
> I think I'm getting a little ahead of things but I wanted to add some
> ideas of my own in terms of what some of the above could look like while
> the ideas were fresh in my mind.
>
> 4. One for the board.
>
> 6/7. D&I could/should be part of our quarterly and annual reports. It
> should appear on the board agenda and in the minutes. It should be in
> State of the Feather talks at ApacheCon. This sounds like we need a VP
> D&I to me. I think Sam's thinking was heading in this direction when he
> mentioned setting up a President's committee.
>
> 5. Harder to do in an organisation as virtual as ours. We could/should
> certainly try and do more of this at ApacheCon. I'm fairly sure that
> there are geographical concentrations of committers. We should look at
> putting on specific events for committers where we have concentrations
> of committers.
>
> 3. I'm thinking TAC+. We fund folks to attend these external events.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 29/03/2019 22:40, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Slightly off topic but relevant. One think we could do is look at other
> foundations and communities and see what they have done that has worked for
> them. I come across this interesting artifice this morning [1]. Note it
> includes the steps that community took to build a diverse community, I’d
> also note we’ve taken some of those steps (e.g. have a code of conduct) but
> perhaps shows where we could do more. They have set up a Drupal Diversity &
> Inclusion team [5] that spells out it values [2] and has  among other
> things guide on moderation, [3] and participation [4], Now the ASF is
> different to Drupal and some of those tings may not fit but it would be
> useful I think to at least consider them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1.
> https://angel.co/blog/drupals-angela-byron-on-building-a-diverse-community
> > 2.
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/statement-of-values
> > 3.
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/drupal-diversity-inclusion-participation-moderation-1
> > 4.
> https://www.drupal.org/docs/8/modules/drupal-diversity-inclusion/participation-moderation-guidelines/participant-guidelines
> > 5. https://www.drupal.org/project/diversity
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