Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Propose: milder name
I liked the Sharpener name. It's been nice to have something "cooler" than regular term. But I agree having Advisor which needs no explanation and without any extra words explains the extent to which actions of the Advisor should be considered is a very good property that might help to promote the idea much faster and better. +1 on Advisor. J. On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 9:30 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Rich, > > Please find https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/10 > > Best, > Dave > > > On Feb 19, 2024, at 12:00 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > Sounds like you’re in final agreement? Are y’all going to produce a PR > to swap out terms across the repo? > > > > > >> On Feb 18, 2024, at 4:52 PM, sebb wrote: > >> > >> +1 for Advisor. > >> > >> Succinct and accurate. > >> > >> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 at 18:59, Dave Fisher wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi - > >>> > >>> Thanks, Gary! > >>> > >>> I agree. Advisors is really good. A PMC, or even a single PMC member, > can ask for advice when they have doubts. and unsolicited advice can be > ignored if not concise and actionable. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Dave > >>> > On Feb 18, 2024, at 8:19 AM, Gary Gregory > wrote: > > Hi All, > > Based on > https://github.com/rbowen/comdev-working-groups/tree/main/wg-sharpeners#readme > > I read: > > - volunteers who come alongside a PMC to offer an outsider's > perspective on the project, and advice to build their community. > - subscribe to the project's mailing lists and mostly listen > - do not have any authority over the PMC > - All feedback must be a polite, positive, actionable suggestion, not > merely a criticism or a "you're doing it wrong." You must suggest what > the community should do, providing links to policy or best practice > documents where applicable. Simply criticising is not welcome. > > All of this sounds to me like an advisory role where advisory is > "having or consisting in the power to make recommendations but not to > take action enforcing them."[1] > So I'd go with "PMC Advisor". It's not cute or clever, it's even > bland, but I understand it, ;-) > > Gary > [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=define+advisory > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:08 PM Rich Bowen > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Feb 18, 2024, at 10:02 AM, Gary Gregory > wrote: > >> > >> I've never heard of someone being called a "sharpener"; I've used a > >> knife sharpener and a pencil sharpener ;-) ... it feels like a > stretch > >> here. > >> > >> In general, I prefer names that simply describe intent instead of > >> cuteness/cleverness, especially in an international context where I > >> find it beneficial to use words that make sense if you have to look > >> them up. > > > > Cool. Y’all come up with a name, and I’ll swap it out. > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > >>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >>> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >> > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Propose: milder name
Hi Rich, Please find https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/10 Best, Dave > On Feb 19, 2024, at 12:00 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > Sounds like you’re in final agreement? Are y’all going to produce a PR to > swap out terms across the repo? > > >> On Feb 18, 2024, at 4:52 PM, sebb wrote: >> >> +1 for Advisor. >> >> Succinct and accurate. >> >> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 at 18:59, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>> Hi - >>> >>> Thanks, Gary! >>> >>> I agree. Advisors is really good. A PMC, or even a single PMC member, can >>> ask for advice when they have doubts. and unsolicited advice can be ignored >>> if not concise and actionable. >>> >>> Best, >>> Dave >>> On Feb 18, 2024, at 8:19 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: Hi All, Based on https://github.com/rbowen/comdev-working-groups/tree/main/wg-sharpeners#readme I read: - volunteers who come alongside a PMC to offer an outsider's perspective on the project, and advice to build their community. - subscribe to the project's mailing lists and mostly listen - do not have any authority over the PMC - All feedback must be a polite, positive, actionable suggestion, not merely a criticism or a "you're doing it wrong." You must suggest what the community should do, providing links to policy or best practice documents where applicable. Simply criticising is not welcome. All of this sounds to me like an advisory role where advisory is "having or consisting in the power to make recommendations but not to take action enforcing them."[1] So I'd go with "PMC Advisor". It's not cute or clever, it's even bland, but I understand it, ;-) Gary [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=define+advisory On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:08 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > >> On Feb 18, 2024, at 10:02 AM, Gary Gregory >> wrote: >> >> I've never heard of someone being called a "sharpener"; I've used a >> knife sharpener and a pencil sharpener ;-) ... it feels like a stretch >> here. >> >> In general, I prefer names that simply describe intent instead of >> cuteness/cleverness, especially in an international context where I >> find it beneficial to use words that make sense if you have to look >> them up. > > Cool. Y’all come up with a name, and I’ll swap it out. > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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Re: [WG: Sharpeners] Propose: milder name
Sounds like you’re in final agreement? Are y’all going to produce a PR to swap out terms across the repo? > On Feb 18, 2024, at 4:52 PM, sebb wrote: > > +1 for Advisor. > > Succinct and accurate. > > On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 at 18:59, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >> Thanks, Gary! >> >> I agree. Advisors is really good. A PMC, or even a single PMC member, can >> ask for advice when they have doubts. and unsolicited advice can be ignored >> if not concise and actionable. >> >> Best, >> Dave >> >>> On Feb 18, 2024, at 8:19 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Based on >>> https://github.com/rbowen/comdev-working-groups/tree/main/wg-sharpeners#readme >>> >>> I read: >>> >>> - volunteers who come alongside a PMC to offer an outsider's >>> perspective on the project, and advice to build their community. >>> - subscribe to the project's mailing lists and mostly listen >>> - do not have any authority over the PMC >>> - All feedback must be a polite, positive, actionable suggestion, not >>> merely a criticism or a "you're doing it wrong." You must suggest what >>> the community should do, providing links to policy or best practice >>> documents where applicable. Simply criticising is not welcome. >>> >>> All of this sounds to me like an advisory role where advisory is >>> "having or consisting in the power to make recommendations but not to >>> take action enforcing them."[1] >>> So I'd go with "PMC Advisor". It's not cute or clever, it's even >>> bland, but I understand it, ;-) >>> >>> Gary >>> [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=define+advisory >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:08 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > On Feb 18, 2024, at 10:02 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > I've never heard of someone being called a "sharpener"; I've used a > knife sharpener and a pencil sharpener ;-) ... it feels like a stretch > here. > > In general, I prefer names that simply describe intent instead of > cuteness/cleverness, especially in an international context where I > find it beneficial to use words that make sense if you have to look > them up. Cool. Y’all come up with a name, and I’ll swap it out. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >
