Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:56 PM Willem Jiang  wrote:

>
> I guess it's just like the incubator.a.o,  SHOULD be PMC member of
> community.a.o.
>

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt

Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Juan Pan,

Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles:

1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry
2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF
project
3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an
administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you

Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of
an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside
the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member
of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who
were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years.

Cheers,
Hadrian


On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan  wrote:

> Hi
>
> After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What is
> the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member?
> Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well.
>
> From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are
> mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to
> help do those things,
> that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did
> some contributions?
> Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or
> just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a
> member? Is there any condition or bar?
>
> IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming online
> meet up is a good chance to discuss.
>
> See you then.
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities
>
>  *Juan Pan (Trista) *
>
> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
> E-mail: panj...@apache.org
>
>
> On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu
>  wrote：
>
> Hi Hadrian
>
> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in
>
> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects.
>
> Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Hadrian Zbarcea  于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道：
>
> Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a
> communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree
> on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create
> unnecessary misunderstandings.
>
> This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards
> (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF
> values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this
> point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what
> they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in which
> the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC
> member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and execute.
> If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from
> an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be.
>
> On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is
> not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open source
> and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive,
> there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active
> mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and
> they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with
> open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and
> talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far
> as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is about.
> The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to open
> source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be clear,
> contributions don't mean just code contributions.
>
> IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC,
> what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful
> and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member is
> a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly voted
> PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit
> for them to understand the difference.
>
> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in
> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects.
>
> Best of luck,
> Hadrian
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu 
> wrote:
>
> Hi

Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a
communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree
on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create
unnecessary misunderstandings.

This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards
(let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF
values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this
point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what
they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in which
the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC
member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and execute.
If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from
an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be.

On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is
not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open source
and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive,
there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active
mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and
they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with
open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and
talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far
as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is about.
The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to open
source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be clear,
contributions don't mean just code contributions.

IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, what
matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful and
how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member is a
bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly voted
PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit
for them to understand the difference.

So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in
agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects.

Best of luck,
Hadrian



On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu  wrote:

> Hi Willem
>
> I am pretty sure this should not be having a bar like a project official
> committer. But no bar? I don't think this is a reasonable idea.
> As ALC we will use the Apache branding and Apache ALC branding, I prefer
> there should be some guides, otherwise, how should we protect it?
>
> And more, how should we make sure, the member could talk about the culture
> of Apache basically correct(I wouldn 't say accurate, but at least, not
> misguide)? -- This question is suitable for JianSheng too.
> How about the next one asking joining the ALC, what should we do? If he is
> also not an Apache committer/PMC/member again
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Willem Jiang  于2020年2月25日周二 下午5:18写道：
>
>> I don't think we need to setup a bar on the people who want to join the
>> ALC.
>> As we are short of hand to advocate the Apache way in China. I think
>> JianSheng can provide a great help for us.
>> ALC is not a Apache project, current we don't have the PMC or
>> Committers, but I think community PMC can give us some guide and
>> advices for it.
>> Current the member of ALC Beijing are the active committers of Apache
>> or other people who interesting about it.  We may need to discuss a
>> way how to introduce new blood in a meritocracy way.
>> The main purpose of ALC is building a local community around ASF
>> projects, helping Apache projects cooperate with each other, and let
>> Chinese community to know better about Apache Software Foundation.
>> For the content we provide for the local audience should follow the
>> Apache Way and for the logo and branding related issues we also need
>> the approve from Apache Branding officer.
>>
>> Willem Jiang
>>
>> Twitter: willemjiang
>> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:45 PM Sheng Wu 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Willem
>> >
>> > Is there any invitation rule(guide) about adding a new member?
>> > What is different between a member and not a member?
>> >
>> > To be clear, I am not objecting, I just don't get the context.
>> > In all other TLP project, member sometimes means a committer of ASF or
>> that project. Which is the bar(s) of an ALC member? Or even is there a bar
>> for this?
>> > The deep reason I asked about this, is from my understanding the ALC
>> member needs to follow the Apache way, keep the branding used in the right
>> way, and so on.
>> >
>> > To Jian Sheng
>> > Please don't feel I am not welcoming you to join or unfriendly. Really,
>> I am not stopping you. I know the contributions you made for the
>> Apache/Apache Way/Open source.
>> > I just want this community organized in the right

Re: [ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Willem,

I think this is a great initiative that I support and volunteer to assist
with if needed. If you would like to have somebody to help coordinate on
this side of the ocean, please let me know, I'd be happy to assist. Other
than that, a big +1 from me.

Cheers,
Hadrian


On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:51 PM Willem Jiang  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm Apache member and there are bunch of Apache project developers in
> Beijing I know.  ALC just give us a very good excuse to hand out and
> hold meetup together.
>
> Regards，
>
> Willem
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Re: ApacheCon 2018

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I like the GMU idea and getting new generation of students interested in 
OSS. I think I can find SIs to sponsors and even follow Niclas' idea of 
connecting potential employers with talent.


We can pull this off.


On 12/08/2017 01:05 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:

On 12/8/2017 12:38 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
Kevin, we're both (and others) in DC. Ton of demand here, as we know. 
How about trying to organize something here, even smaller events? 
+1.  Could be a nice time to throw the sponsor thank you party as well 
on the night before the event with a speaker dinner.


1 day, 2 tracks, 12 presentations with a keynote and key end.  I have a 
friend with a nice conference room that hosted an ISSA meeting.  I can 
ask him how many it fits.  Or I can talk to GMU especially if we have a 
presentation or two on things like OSS in state/federal gov't and 
CyberSecurity.


Regards,
KAM


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Re: ApacheCon 2018

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Kevin, we're both (and others) in DC. Ton of demand here, as we know. 
How about trying to organize something here, even smaller events?


Hadrian

On 12/08/2017 12:27 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
I think Niclas idea has a lot of merit and I think we do have sponsors 
who would sponsor booths for example.


If you can get me a target number, I can approach sponsors.

Regards,
KAM

On 11/13/2017 10:13 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:

An outside view on this;

Start with a cost profile that matches what the Foundation is willing 
to spend out-of-pocket for a free-of-charge conference. With that 
starting point, fundraising side will try to raise that money, and the 
producer side need to keep within that budget.


Producer side should leverage free premises (Universities, Incubators, 
Corporate or Government facilities, ++) and keep spending to a 
minimum, such as keep the conference in the same place for several 
years in a row, near where we have plenty of volunteers so we don't 
have expenses on producers' air tickets and lodging. No food given to 
attendees, but need ability to purchase nearby enough.


Fund raising; booths and advertisements are the traditional funding 
options, but how about brain storming less common ideas;
   * "paid-for presenter track(s)" for companies to promote whatever 
they want, which should sell for at least $1000/hr.
   * "Recruitment Hall" where companies can freely try to recruit 
people without feeling ashamed. Big companies pay a fortune to 
recruitment agencies (20-30% of first annual salary)
   * "Bug Bounty Board" an auction site for fixing bugs 
collaboratively in Hackathon.
   * Project training. Are there any projects that would volunteer 
enough time for quality training?


I am sure our collective minds can come up with more and better ideas. 
What I would like to stop "attendance fee" and have a "appreciation 
gift" (from attendee to ASF) for those that feel charitable.


Ideal locations should also have a vibrant software industry. My 
friend at Foo Cafe[1] in Malmo (300+ events per year, i.e. every 
evening) recommends that there needs to be at least 100 software 
companies in the region, and that the marketing needs to reach 1000 
people. Many major cities in Europe and USA will fall into this, and 
many of our volunteers are likely to live in such regions.


Finally, my personal reflection on conferences in general; The more 
F2F time with other people, the more valuable the conference. Just 
running around listening to presentations is not that meaningful. If 
the producer can assist in getting people with similar interests into 
the proximity of each other, then that would be great, "DevOps 
cluster", "Big Data pond", "Embedded box", "UI/UX panel", "Protocol 
buffer" and other funny 'zones' perhaps around water coolers with a 
white board.




[1] http://foocafe.se/global/events


Cheers & HTH

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Rich Bowen > wrote:


    Then perhaps I need to rephrase my question. The question is
    specifically how much the board would be willing to lose on this
    on an annual basis.


    On Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 10:39 Chris Mattmann mailto:mattm...@apache.org>> wrote:

    I wasn’t suggesting it was one of your goals, just an
    indicator that we may not
    see the $$$ you said would (hopefully) be returned,
    considering that in order to
    do that we at least need to break even, but LF’s experience
    per your reports was
    that they lost money on the event.

    Cheers,

    Chris

    *From: *Rich Bowen mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com>>
    *Reply-To: *"bo...@apache.org "
    mailto:bo...@apache.org>>
    *Date: *Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:36 AM
    *To: *"operati...@apache.org "
    mailto:operati...@apache.org>>
    *Cc: *president President mailto:presid...@apache.org>>, "e...@apache.org
    " mailto:e...@apache.org>>, ASF Board mailto:bo...@apache.org>>
    *Subject: *Re: ApacheCon 2018

    I'm not investing in profit. I'm investing in people and in
    the future of the foundation. Making money is not one of my
    goals.

    On Mon, Nov 13, 2017, 10:21 Chris Mattmann
    mailto:mattm...@apache.org>> wrote:

    Hi Rich,

    For me at least looking at the reason that LF did not want
    to continue on as a sponsor
    which was at least partially due IIRC to the inability to
    break even, and because they
    continued to lose money on the event does not suggest to
    me a strong basis for such
    an investment at least in my opinion.

    I understand where you are coming from and what you are
    trying to do though.

    Cheers,

    Chris

    *From: *Rich Bowen mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com>>
    *Reply-To: *mailto:o

Re: ASF student collaboration program

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hello Antón,

This is the right kind of initiatives and I am sure you will find quite 
a few people willing to help, myself included. I am a committer on a few 
ASF projects that may provide a good career for you students and would 
be happy to provide help and mentorship.


Please feel free to reach out to me once you get this off the ground.

Good luck,
Hadrian


On 09/21/2017 10:07 AM, Antón R. Yuste wrote:

Hi all,

We (the VigoJUG) are running a collaboration program (pro bono work) 
with the University of Vigo (Spain) to introduce students to Open Source 
projects as part of the end of their studies. It's the equivalent to two 
full signatures. The idea is to do a proof of concept with two students 
this year and open it to more of them in the following courses if it's a 
success.


We would like to choose some of the ASF projects and we know the ASF has 
been involved in a few student programs, mostly Google
Summer of Code but also a few others directly with universities. So we 
would like to know more about it if it makes sense in our case.


In our opinion the program is a win-win for everyone:

  * Students from UVigo: evangelize open-source and get real experience.
  * Senior Engineers from VigoJUG: get familiar with interesting
    projects + help new engineers in our area.
  * Teachers from UVigo: they have interest in many projects of the ASF
    but they are a bit lost, this is a great opportunity for them to
    know more and look for new opportunities of collaboration.
  * ASF: some fresh blood to some projects :-)

We would need from the ASF:

  * Some projects to work with. Issues related to automate performance
    tests or profiling would be great because they have little impact in
    the project and we have some experience on that and running some
    workshops on that.
  * Some initial mentorship. It should be little work, most of the
    mentoring should be done by the senior engineers of the VigoJUG but
    some initial guidance would be very helpful.

I'm not familiar with this list (yet) so I hope this email is fine here :-)

Best regards,

Antón




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Re: FOSDEM Apache Developer Room ?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Like Shane said, I could use such an excuse to travel to Europe (again, 
love Europe).


Kevin said that Fundraising will be there. I am not sure if he plans to 
come himself, but I could help with that. I could also deliver a talk 
that is quite popular (I delivered it myself once with Benson): "Can I 
rely on software built by volunteers?".


I'd only need to know a bit in advance, as I travel quite a bit these days.

Cheers,
Hadrian


On 09/04/2017 06:33 AM, Sharan F wrote:

Hi Isabel

I didn't have anything fixed in mind but off the top of my head – the 
Apache Way, licensing and trademarks (as that has been in the news 
lately) and perhaps something related to incubator. We could also do 
something collaborative or community related – eg hackathon, meetup etc 
so depends on the feedback I get from this thread.


So if anyone has any other ideas or suggestions then please feel free to 
respond as I'd be happy to have them.


Thanks
Sharan


On 04/09/17 11:47, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote:

That sounds like a lovely idea.

What topics would you focus on?

Isabel
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Re: Invitation to travel to Berlin

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I'll try to make it too, depending on the date.

I'll be in Europe this summer for some 6 weeks, out of which one week in 
DE (Munich) mid July. A bit later in the year would work better for me.


Cheers,
Hadrian

On 05/11/2017 08:23 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

Hi Isabel,

Replying to the public list + Stefan only.

An excuse to travel to Berlin? you bet ;-)

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm  wrote:

...essentially some sort of Apache Community
Summit, or Apache Community Hackathon to overload the meetup acronym's
meaning...


I like that - I think our community principles and best practices
deserve to be shared, even within the Foundation as it has grown a lot
and it's hard to spread that "tribal knowledge". So a meetup about
these topics sounds great.

I prefer Apache Community Summit as a name...don't have an equivalent
pun to achnee to submit for that one though. Oh no!


...If we want organised tracks, I'd need speakers


I remember when Ross Gardler organized Transfer Summit a few years ago
he sent a few of us abstracts of what he'd like us to speak about at
the conference. I think that was a great way of selecting a core team
of speakers with a consistent message overall, and you can still leave
a few slots for a more traditional CfP if you do that.


...Should someone want professional videos and want to pay for that I can see 
if I can get you in touch with the
ppl who have done this in the past at Buzzwords,...


Do you have a rough idea of the budget for that? I think such videos
can have great value and they are inline with the ASF's mission, being
about our core values and principles.

I'm definitely interested in participating and would submit a talk if
there's a call for papers.

-Bertrand

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Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Yes, I'll be in Miami.

Cheers,
Hadrian

On 04/21/2017 12:30 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:

Hadrian / Raphael,

I will be at Apachecon Miami and open for any opportunity. Will either of you 
be there?

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea  wrote:




On 04/20/2017 11:06 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Raphael Bircher
 wrote:

Hi Ted

Am .04.2017, 06:14 Uhr, schrieb Ted Dunning :


Raphael,

Why don't you get some folks together and start a company that solicits
donations to support OO development and QA work?



That's the Apache like style, and that's exactly the reason why i write to
community and not to the openoffice dev. We have many projects at big data
who are really successful. How they handle this problem? How they get paid
stuff involved into their projects. Maybe we can learn from it.


It happens in exactly the way Ted is suggesting -- companies building product
around Bigdata projects are handling client relationships and they pour $$$ back
into the projects either via hiring more developers to work on them or by direct
sponsorship of ASF or by promoting the projects via conferences, training, etc.
OR all of the above ;-)

Ok. I like a challenge. Raphael, how much, or what would it take to make what 
you suggest happen? I am willing to pony up some cash and other resources.



The challenge that is unique to OpenOffice as you are well aware is
the fact that
it is both a product and a project.

That's not unique to OO. There are other projects that are a product too. 
Tomcat, ServiceMix, Archiva are examples.

I see other challenges and opportunities (depending on how one looks at the 
glass). For instance the fact that both MS and Google, major competitors, have 
a cloud service offering.



Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

On 04/20/2017 11:06 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Raphael Bircher
 wrote:

Hi Ted

Am .04.2017, 06:14 Uhr, schrieb Ted Dunning :


Raphael,

Why don't you get some folks together and start a company that solicits
donations to support OO development and QA work?



That's the Apache like style, and that's exactly the reason why i write to
community and not to the openoffice dev. We have many projects at big data
who are really successful. How they handle this problem? How they get paid
stuff involved into their projects. Maybe we can learn from it.


It happens in exactly the way Ted is suggesting -- companies building product
around Bigdata projects are handling client relationships and they pour $$$ back
into the projects either via hiring more developers to work on them or by direct
sponsorship of ASF or by promoting the projects via conferences, training, etc.
OR all of the above ;-)
Ok. I like a challenge. Raphael, how much, or what would it take to make 
what you suggest happen? I am willing to pony up some cash and other 
resources.




The challenge that is unique to OpenOffice as you are well aware is
the fact that
it is both a product and a project.
That's not unique to OO. There are other projects that are a product 
too. Tomcat, ServiceMix, Archiva are examples.


I see other challenges and opportunities (depending on how one looks at 
the glass). For instance the fact that both MS and Google, major 
competitors, have a cloud service offering.




Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: Vetoes for New Committers??

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I tried to stay away from this thread. Oh, well...

Ted, congrats!

On 04/04/2017 08:18 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:

Niclas,

I never presented an argument in favor of *using* a veto.  I presented an
argument in favor of *having* a veto to potentially use.

That was well understood.


The possibility of a veto encourages consensus building before the decision
is recorded.
This is also understood, but it sounds to me that you are making Niclas' 
point.


I personally think that vetoes should almost never happen because any
veto-worthy issue is brought out and resolved in discussion ahead of time.
Because of that, votes that may take place never do, because people 
indicate via back channels what their vote will be (tactic I see even at 
board level from time to time) and then the vote never takes place and 
discussion and the status quo, well, continue. Nothing to report, all good.


Vetoes remove one of the few leverages the minority has, that's my 
understanding of what Niclas meant.


That said, the majority has so many other ways to abuse of the minority, 
that in my experience the only sane way is to just give up. Which most 
do actually, sadly.





On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Niclas Hedhman  wrote:


But Ted, how does the minority regain the "minority's voice heard" simply
by veto of new members? If they place unreasonable vetoes and hope that
over time the majority will "evaporate" seems unproductive as well.

Vetoes can become very contentious, and I don't really buy the arguments
presented in favor of using it. To me a negative use is a BDFL-type
leader/founder preventing active contributors from getting a say in a
project.

The raised problem of community disharmony is not served with vetoes,
AFAICT.



On Apr 4, 2017 14:06, "Ted Dunning"  wrote:

I hear it as the voice of (occasionally bitter) experience.

It could easily be my own voice as well. I have found in my own limited
experience that communities who pay attention to minority voices to be far
better at producing real consensus. I have also found that people with a
majority-rules opinion often change their opinion to minority-must-be-heard
when they are no longer in the majority. That matches what Joe said pretty
closely.

His phrasing might not be what I would use, but his experience seems to
match mine quite closely.

I also really don't see how a valid statement of long experience is FUD. I
certainly see a healthy dose of FUD in my day job from competitors and
Joe's statement is pretty different.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:36 PM, Pierre Smits 
wrote:


That borders on FUD.

Op di 4 apr. 2017 om 05:03 schreef Joseph Schaefer



Trust me niclas, you would be singing a very different tune if you
believed something like that were happening in a project you were

working

on and you were a member of the minority powerless to put a halt to it.









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Re: Last Word Loses

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Marvin,

I wonder what your intent was with this 'game'. When loosing means 
actually nothing and the exercise is not time bound, it doesn't make 
much sense.


My intellectual curiosity is craving an explanation. I could make it 
interesting with something like: thread ends at 8am the morning of 
ApacheCon and the 'looser' brings to the infra@ table as many beers as 
many emails on this thread. If the 'looser' does not show up, he/she 
forfeits ASF membership (or some 'punishment' that fits the 'crime').


This would be something my brain could understand. So infra@, 4 beers 
from me so far.


Cheers,
Hadrian

On 03/16/2017 12:56 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:

Hello ComDev,

I'd like to play a game with you: The one who sends the last email on
this thread loses.

"Last Word Loses" is a construct I use to break vicious cycles.  Perhaps
some of you will find it useful.

I hope that this thread will be short.  Ideally no one will reply.  But
even if someone does, I trust that my message will have reached those it
needed to reach.

And now, as the one who insisted on having the last word, I lose.

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: Help Wanted: ApacheCon content committee

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I submitted one talk, but I am in.
Hadrian

On 02/08/2017 08:45 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

I need a handful of people who able and willing to spend next week
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Re: Working Ecosystems at ASF

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

David, your answer gets 5 stars from me.

On the funding piece we didn't even try because we don't want to go 
there. It's not really a cause, more like an effect.


Cheers,
Hadrian


On 01/18/2017 06:01 PM, David Nalley wrote:

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Raphael Bircher
 wrote:

Hi Bertrand

Am .01.2017, 15:03 Uhr, schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz
:


Hi Raphael,

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Raphael Bircher
 wrote:


...Has anybody ever used crowd funding to cover development costs?...



I know of one documented case,
http://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html but I
don't have info on how well it went.

The disclaimer was important to properly dissociate such initiatives
form the ASF, which does not fund software development.



Thanks for the link. This rise a question, i got never a real answer for it.
Why ASF dosen't found Developers?. Some people say, because to non-profit
status. Others say, this are our rules. But what are the reasons behind. It
would be nice, if someone take the time to explain this.



Resources and positions are always limited.
Hiring a developer and deciding what they are going to work on means
you are essentially picking what is important to the Foundation. The
ASF has long said that it is happy to pick runners not winners. That
means that we are happy for projects, even projects that compete with
each other, to call the ASF home. We hope they are all successful, but
we are essentially letting the community decide where to allocate its
time. When you pay people, you have to decide what they are going to
work on, and even what specific aspects of that project that they are
going to work on. This means someone who controls the payroll can
decide which of two competing projects gets more resources, and
potentially even effect the direction that they are headed in
technically.

It also has the side effect of creating a division between the
developers paid by the ASF and those who aren't. (Read that as the
privileged developers, and the the unprivileged developers.) Today,
everyone (in the eyes of the ASF) is on equal footing because no
developer is employed by the ASF to work on code at the ASF.

Finally - we frankly don't have the money to do so.


--David

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Re: Apachecon reviewers

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Rich,

I did get the notification, thank you very much. Unfortunately it looks 
like I've been waitlisted which means that very likely I won't see you 
guys in Spain.


And yes, I actually consider this quite an achievement myself, kudos to 
you all. It was not a complaint from me, I had to make a choice between 
aceu and delivering a keynote at a conference in Canada. My preference 
was obviously ApacheCon (and Spain :) ) at least it's easier to choose now.


Thanks for the help,
Hadrian

On 09/28/2016 12:53 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:



On 09/28/2016 08:44 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

Hi Karan, Humbedooh,

I didn't find anything in the spam folder. It would be good if the
status would be adjusted from 'new' to the appropriate one in the CFP
dashboard. If one knows the status and could inform me privately that'd
be appreciated too.

Daniel, it says 09/30 for publishing the schedule, cfp notifications
were scheduled for 09/27.


You've been around long enough to know that speaker notifications never
go out on time. ;-)

You should have received a notification now. Only a day late. I'm
actually very pleased with myself.

--Rich




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Re: Apachecon reviewers

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Karan, Humbedooh,

I didn't find anything in the spam folder. It would be good if the 
status would be adjusted from 'new' to the appropriate one in the CFP 
dashboard. If one knows the status and could inform me privately that'd 
be appreciated too.


Daniel, it says 09/30 for publishing the schedule, cfp notifications 
were scheduled for 09/27.


Thanks,
Hadrian

On 09/28/2016 03:03 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:

Welp, it says September 30th on the main page (which AIUI is what we're
going for) - there seems to be some mixup here.

With regards,
Daniel.

On 09/28/2016 06:03 AM, Karanjeet Singh wrote:

Hi Hadrian,

Just a corner case - did you check your spam folder?

Sincerely,
Karan

On Sep 27, 2016 8:43 PM, "Hadrian Zbarcea"  wrote:


Hi,

The ACEU schedule page [1] says that CFP notifications will go out by
09/27. I haven't received one. Do we know when they will be out?

Thanks,
Hadrian

[1] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__events.
linuxfoundation.org_events_apachecon-2Deurope_program_schedu
le&d=DQICaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=
u7neGGUaVmQKNSLUqJ9zpA&m=I84Vs-5O6HWjcSynZ1isCCLF6SoyYMjsBwM
9BTBa4lk&s=2y56NgEU6XjubGMguk2oCLSSd1Nna2ur5svxwh41yCM&e=

On 09/09/2016 05:05 PM, muktesh mishra wrote:


Hi,

I can help as well if needed.

Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Antonio David Perez Morales <

adperezmora...@apache.org> wrote:

Hi Rich

I would like to help reviewing talks

Regards

On Friday, September 9, 2016, Rich Bowen  wrote:


As you know, the ApacheCon CFP closes tonight. If you would like to
participate in the process of reviewing talks, please:

* contact me offlist
* subscribe to apachecon-disc...@apache.org 
* if you do irc, get on the #apachecon channel on freenode.

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Re: Apachecon reviewers

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi,

The ACEU schedule page [1] says that CFP notifications will go out by 
09/27. I haven't received one. Do we know when they will be out?


Thanks,
Hadrian

[1] 
https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/schedule



On 09/09/2016 05:05 PM, muktesh mishra wrote:

Hi,

I can help as well if needed.

Thanks

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Antonio David Perez Morales 
 wrote:

Hi Rich

I would like to help reviewing talks

Regards


On Friday, September 9, 2016, Rich Bowen  wrote:

As you know, the ApacheCon CFP closes tonight. If you would like to
participate in the process of reviewing talks, please:

* contact me offlist
* subscribe to apachecon-disc...@apache.org 
* if you do irc, get on the #apachecon channel on freenode.

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Re: Lapel pins for the community

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Daniel,

There are a few things I like about your initiative, that's awesome. I 
like the blockchain like 'proof of work' for signing your key :).


Forwarded to members@ per your request. (Sorry for cross-post)

Cheers,
Hadrian

On 06/20/2016 10:40 AM, Daniel Ruggeri wrote:

Hi, all;
One of my "eccentricities" is that I love to collect really cool lapel
pins to wear on my cap. As many have heard during the lightning talks at
ACNA, I also love this community. As I contemplated these two loves of
mine (because we all do that, right?) I thought... why not combine them?
So I did! ... and I want to share the results with the community.

I worked with a lapel pin manufacturer to design and make 200 screen
printed, silver colored, brass lapel pins [1]. They are .75 inches tall
and feature the new Apache feather. The lapel pins are covered in a
coating to help protect the gradient goodness. Each comes in a totally
uninteresting little plastic bag.

The cool part is... you can have one! Just send me a self addressed,
postage paid envelope. Since I live in the USA, be sure postage is
proper for USPS or your international parcel carrier can be dropped in
standard mail and make to back to you. For lack of a better way to
protect my personal address, you can grab it from SVN in the comdev
private committer tree [2] (stashed away in a comment toward the
bottom). I will keep the link updated with the general number of
remaining pins as I go minus a small reserve so envelops have time to
get to me.

FWIW, my cost for the lapel pins was $1.67 USD each. You are certainly
welcome to stuff your envelope with something to offset costs/time like
other cool lapel pins, money, tech stickers, an autographed photo, a
comic strip from your local paper, a half eaten piece of bread... or
don't. Whatever - it's about the community, not me. My only requirement
is the self addressed postage paid envelope to keep it easy for me to
drop it back in the mail.

If this becomes very popular, I will work with Melissa to make it
something official and sustainable, but for now it's just me so I
appreciate patience if it takes me a little extra time to get your pin
out in the mail. Also, I understand that folks may be concerned about
privacy. I can assure you I am not interested in keeping or cataloguing
your meatspace address. As a geek, your private key or write access to
your browser's trust store is more interesting :-)


P.S.
Can someone please forward this over to members@ since I'm unable to
send there?

P.P.S.
I've signed this message with my pgp key. If a meatspace transaction for
lapel pins verifying my name/physical address is enough for you, please
consider signing my key when you receive your pin so we can keep growing
our web of trust.


[1]
http://bitnebula.com/tmp/pin.jpg
[2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/info/druggeri.rdf



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Re: ApacheCon audio processing: Instructions

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Rich,

Two more rooms for Wed done at the same location [1] (previous mail in 
thread). Will check the one for Thu with question marks.


Cheers,
Hadrian


On 05/18/2016 09:59 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

Hi Rich,

Please find the Thu talks here [1]. Please mark them as done in the
spreadsheet so we cleanup the space on drive and start processing
another day.

Thanks,
Hadrian

[1] https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4KM_amLomv0MzBEZUZhRzdYTDQ


On 05/17/2016 04:39 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

Excellent. I'll complain later when I run out of things to work on. ;-)


On 05/17/2016 04:25 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

Hi Rich,

Alex (cc'ed) is my brother and you met him at ApacheCon (alexz is his
asf id). There are plenty of free slots and I think we'll finish pretty
fast and move to the next days. No worries.

Hadrian

On 05/17/2016 04:05 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

Who is 'alexz' who has taken all of Thursday? I appreciate the
volunteerism, but please just take one at a time. Note that doing
all of
the audio from Monday took me all day Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday.

Thanks.

On 05/15/2016 11:19 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

The instructions for helping edit audio from ApacheCon are at
http://feathercast.apache.org/podcasts/ApacheConNA2016/RAW/README

The files themselves are (or will be over the next few hours) at
http://feathercast.apache.org/podcasts/ApacheConNA2016/RAW/

Please follow the instructions to the letter, so that we don't waste
time/bandwidth/patience.

Also, BEFORE YOU START, make sure that you have a place where you can
upload the finished product. The files are too large to email, so you
must be able to upload them to somewhere that I can get to. Dropbox,
home.apache.org, your own website ... whatever.

Thanks

Re: ApacheCon audio processing: Instructions

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Rich,

Please find the Thu talks here [1]. Please mark them as done in the 
spreadsheet so we cleanup the space on drive and start processing 
another day.


Thanks,
Hadrian

[1] https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4KM_amLomv0MzBEZUZhRzdYTDQ


On 05/17/2016 04:39 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

Excellent. I'll complain later when I run out of things to work on. ;-)


On 05/17/2016 04:25 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

Hi Rich,

Alex (cc'ed) is my brother and you met him at ApacheCon (alexz is his
asf id). There are plenty of free slots and I think we'll finish pretty
fast and move to the next days. No worries.

Hadrian

On 05/17/2016 04:05 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

Who is 'alexz' who has taken all of Thursday? I appreciate the
volunteerism, but please just take one at a time. Note that doing all of
the audio from Monday took me all day Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday.

Thanks.

On 05/15/2016 11:19 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

The instructions for helping edit audio from ApacheCon are at
http://feathercast.apache.org/podcasts/ApacheConNA2016/RAW/README

The files themselves are (or will be over the next few hours) at
http://feathercast.apache.org/podcasts/ApacheConNA2016/RAW/

Please follow the instructions to the letter, so that we don't waste
time/bandwidth/patience.

Also, BEFORE YOU START, make sure that you have a place where you can
upload the finished product. The files are too large to email, so you
must be able to upload them to somewhere that I can get to. Dropbox,
home.apache.org, your own website ... whatever.

Thanks

Re: ApacheCon audio processing: Instructions

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Rich,

Alex (cc'ed) is my brother and you met him at ApacheCon (alexz is his 
asf id). There are plenty of free slots and I think we'll finish pretty 
fast and move to the next days. No worries.


Hadrian

On 05/17/2016 04:05 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

Who is 'alexz' who has taken all of Thursday? I appreciate the
volunteerism, but please just take one at a time. Note that doing all of
the audio from Monday took me all day Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday.

Thanks.

On 05/15/2016 11:19 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

The instructions for helping edit audio from ApacheCon are at
http://feathercast.apache.org/podcasts/ApacheConNA2016/RAW/README

The files themselves are (or will be over the next few hours) at
http://feathercast.apache.org/podcasts/ApacheConNA2016/RAW/

Please follow the instructions to the letter, so that we don't waste
time/bandwidth/patience.

Also, BEFORE YOU START, make sure that you have a place where you can
upload the finished product. The files are too large to email, so you
must be able to upload them to somewhere that I can get to. Dropbox,
home.apache.org, your own website ... whatever.

Thanks

Re: [ApacheCon] Volunteers needed, Audio processing

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

That's a great idea, similar to what I had in mind, but it looks like 
you made more progress. I'd like to try that.


Cheers,
Hadrian

On 05/08/2016 07:46 PM, Nick Burch wrote:

On Thu, 5 May 2016, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

I would like to use this opportunity as an experiment to see if the
process could be crowd sourced and automated for future events. If we
could find some 15 mins to chat to educate me on what worked in the
past it'd be appreciated.


One idea we've had, but not yet tried beyond some evil shell scripts, is
to take a low quality video of the talk used for timing only. Then, use
that to identify the slide transition timings + "live demo in progress",
and finally generate a video from the audio + slides

Nice high quality video + audio would be better than that, and video of
speaker with/plus slides better still! But if we can't manage that / as
much, and if it isn't too much work, it's something to try. Let me know
if you want the evil proof-of-concept shell script for driving ffmpeg to
combine audio + slide as images + transition details!

Nick

Re: [ApacheCon] Volunteers needed, Audio processing

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the offer, we could use any help we could get. It would be 
great to meet in Vancouver. If you see me on the hallways please feel 
free to grab my elbow, or email me when you'd be available to meet.


Best,
Hadrian

On 05/07/2016 02:23 PM, Greg Chase wrote:

I'm pretty good with Audacity and Final Cut Pro.  I'm happy to help out as
needed.

I do many of the videos posted here for Geode, HAWQ, and MADlib:
https://www.youtube.com/user/PivotalOpenSourceHub

I will be at ApacheCon, so if you give me the files, I'll do editing and
conversions.

-Greg

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:


As some of you know, we do not have a sponsor to handle audio/video
recording at ApacheCon this year. Thus, we'll be doing it ourselves -
just audio, not video.

So, I need volunteers for the following things:

If you are willing to video presentations and put them on YouTube,
please step up and do this. Keynotes, in particular, would be appreciated.

More importantly, I'll be dealing with 8 tracks x 9 hours x 5 days of
audio that will need to be edited. This isn't complicated, it just
requires:

* Computer with Audacity ( http://www.audacityteam.org/ ) installed, and
your own headphones
* Lots of patience

The process is:

* Dump huge files off of SD cards at the end of each day
* Split large recording into sessions
* Strip off leading, trailing noise
* Encode to mp3
* Upload to feathercast.apache.org
* Write brief boilerplate blog post (Name, Session title, Abstract)

If you are willing to do this for even an hour, please let me know. I
will be doing this each evening, for the duration of the event, and
probably quite a bit during the days. If you just drop by the hackathon
area, and help me out for even a brief time, I'll be very grateful.

Thanks.

--Rich

(Looking towards next event, if you or your company want to sponsor
audio/video for the upcoming ApacheCon EU, your company will get a lot
of thanks and retweets out of this.)

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: [ApacheCon] Volunteers needed, Audio processing

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Rich,

Awesome. The details in the README are very useful, thanks a bunch.
I reached out to a company that does video/audio production to try to 
learn a few tricks from them. I'll probably only have time to chat to 
them after Vancouver.


See you soon then. Please note that I'll only be there on Wed, the 11th.

Cheers,
Hadrian

On 05/07/2016 10:34 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

Hadrian, (and copied to the list in case someone else can still help)

I've written up detailed instructions for the process that I use for
this. (Attached). Have a look, and see what you think might be missing
and/or poorly explained.

The process is fairly simple, and should take roughly 2-5 minutes per
room/day, and then an additional 2-5 minutes per session. So, for a 7
session day, it might take as much as a half-hour, but I think it's
likely to be a lot faster once you get the hang of the process.

--Rich


On 05/05/2016 11:27 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

Hi Rich,

I will be in Vancouver starting the morning of the 11th. I can help and
I think I can provide (at least temporary) storage for the data and some
processing time. I am estimating some 75M/hr for audio and somewhere
under 1G/hr for video. I may bring a 4k camera, not sure how much that
uses per hr.

I would like to use this opportunity as an experiment to see if the
process could be crowd sourced and automated for future events. If we
could find some 15 mins to chat to educate me on what worked in the past
it'd be appreciated.

Cheers,
Hadrian


On 05/05/2016 08:29 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

As some of you know, we do not have a sponsor to handle audio/video
recording at ApacheCon this year. Thus, we'll be doing it ourselves -
just audio, not video.

So, I need volunteers for the following things:

If you are willing to video presentations and put them on YouTube,
please step up and do this. Keynotes, in particular, would be
appreciated.

More importantly, I'll be dealing with 8 tracks x 9 hours x 5 days of
audio that will need to be edited. This isn't complicated, it just
requires:

* Computer with Audacity ( http://www.audacityteam.org/ ) installed, and
your own headphones
* Lots of patience

The process is:

* Dump huge files off of SD cards at the end of each day
* Split large recording into sessions
* Strip off leading, trailing noise
* Encode to mp3
* Upload to feathercast.apache.org
* Write brief boilerplate blog post (Name, Session title, Abstract)

If you are willing to do this for even an hour, please let me know. I
will be doing this each evening, for the duration of the event, and
probably quite a bit during the days. If you just drop by the hackathon
area, and help me out for even a brief time, I'll be very grateful.

Thanks.

--Rich

(Looking towards next event, if you or your company want to sponsor
audio/video for the upcoming ApacheCon EU, your company will get a lot
of thanks and retweets out of this.)

Re: [ApacheCon] Volunteers needed, Audio processing

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Rich,

I will be in Vancouver starting the morning of the 11th. I can help and 
I think I can provide (at least temporary) storage for the data and some 
processing time. I am estimating some 75M/hr for audio and somewhere 
under 1G/hr for video. I may bring a 4k camera, not sure how much that 
uses per hr.


I would like to use this opportunity as an experiment to see if the 
process could be crowd sourced and automated for future events. If we 
could find some 15 mins to chat to educate me on what worked in the past 
it'd be appreciated.


Cheers,
Hadrian


On 05/05/2016 08:29 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

As some of you know, we do not have a sponsor to handle audio/video
recording at ApacheCon this year. Thus, we'll be doing it ourselves -
just audio, not video.

So, I need volunteers for the following things:

If you are willing to video presentations and put them on YouTube,
please step up and do this. Keynotes, in particular, would be appreciated.

More importantly, I'll be dealing with 8 tracks x 9 hours x 5 days of
audio that will need to be edited. This isn't complicated, it just requires:

* Computer with Audacity ( http://www.audacityteam.org/ ) installed, and
your own headphones
* Lots of patience

The process is:

* Dump huge files off of SD cards at the end of each day
* Split large recording into sessions
* Strip off leading, trailing noise
* Encode to mp3
* Upload to feathercast.apache.org
* Write brief boilerplate blog post (Name, Session title, Abstract)

If you are willing to do this for even an hour, please let me know. I
will be doing this each evening, for the duration of the event, and
probably quite a bit during the days. If you just drop by the hackathon
area, and help me out for even a brief time, I'll be very grateful.

Thanks.

--Rich

(Looking towards next event, if you or your company want to sponsor
audio/video for the upcoming ApacheCon EU, your company will get a lot
of thanks and retweets out of this.)

Re: The right Project

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Yes.

On 04/14/2016 10:57 AM, Yair Tchiprout wrote:

Hello

I am trying to find if there is an Apache project that we can implement in
our software development effort.

The Names and groupings are not helping me find (if it exist)  what we are
looking for.

Is there anyone that knows all the projects that that can guild us to the
right one?

Thank you for your help

Respectfully

Yair Tchiprout

New Ventures

Toronto, Canada

416 568 7771

Re: Heads up...

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Awesome Niclas, congrats!

Please make sure to mention our Asian sponsors (Alibaba, Huawei and 
Samsung) and if you find other interested, please let us know.


Good luck,
Hadrian

On 04/07/2016 05:33 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:

I got an invitation to give a keynote about the ASF;


Qihoo 360 will hold an Open Source Conference at Beijing on May 21, 2016


I have accepted, as I am glad that they reached out to us.

I don't think I recorded the location of media templates and such, with new
logo and all...

Also if anyone want to forward me any feedback of what to cover, what to
skip in a 45 minute session, it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Niclas

Re: dates for ApacheCon Europe 2016?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Speaking of that, do we have a tentative location?
Hadrian

On 01/26/2016 04:33 PM, Melissa Warnkin wrote:

Hi Stefan, Hi Rich!!
I've added this to the events calendar as "tentative" - just so it's out there 
for folks to look for a possible conflict!
Stefan - if the dates change, please do let me know so that I can make the 
necessary changes!
Have a great day!
~Melissa



   From: Stefan Seifert 
  To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:46 PM
  Subject: RE: dates for ApacheCon Europe 2016?



Unfortunately, we do not yet have a date confirmed for ApacheCon Europe.
We do plan to do one, but the details are somewhat up in the air right
now. I hope to have a more firm answer in this in late February.

I will, however, make sure that your event is on the list of
do-not-conflict events when we are finalizing that date. I can't
*guarantee* no conflict, of course, but we'll try.


thanks!
btw. our currently planned date for the adaptTo() is 26th-28th September 2016.

stefan

Re: Thanks for AOO

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Now I finally understand what people are talking about.

Awesome! Jim, is this something we could publish? I assume it's easy to 
ask for permission, and maybe send Brenda a T-shirt (I am in a T-shirt 
phase today :) ).


Hadrian

On 12/04/2015 10:29 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

The PDF is filed at .


-Original Message-
From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com]
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 04:45
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Thanks for AOO

Attachment must have gotten stripped off


On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:34 AM, sebb  wrote:

Original mail was sent to Comdev; no attachment.

Followup with attachment was sent to private@openoffice.a.o

On 4 December 2015 at 12:21, Jim Jagielski  wrote:

Hmmm... not sure. It shows up in my copy.


On Dec 4, 2015, at 1:42 AM, Ross Gardler

 wrote:


Did an attachment get stripped?

-Original Message-
From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:j...@jagunet.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:56 AM
To: ComDev 
Subject: Thanks for AOO

Sometimes, a letter can make your day!

Re: Apache Con in Africa?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Actually the discussions were around what are the safe countries 
preferred for international gatherings and obviously football (or soccer 
as Americans call it) was used as an example. Safety and health are the 
biggest concerns.


I suspect Egypt could have been an option, I am not sure about today. 
Personally I am not informed enough to have an opinion.


Cheers,
Hadrian

On 10/16/2015 09:57 PM, Wyngaard, Jane R (398M-Affiliate) wrote:

Hey

Thanks!  Good to know - I hadn¹t heard about that discussion!

Hmm, ja it¹s actually probably actually cheaper for SA people to get to
Europe than Morocco but still definitely good for the continent and ASF
community at large.  I presume this was coming out of there being Moroccan
people in ASF? - If you¹re on this list lets talk! :)

I¹d support either, or even maybe Nigeria or Kenya.  I suppose Morocco has
the advantage of easy access for EU people but I suspect the Linux
Foundation would make more money hosting in SA - just a gut instinct,
could be wrong about that, but I think it would attract more local
attendees than elsewhere!

Others thoughts?

Jane

On 16/10/2015 15:11, "Hadrian Zbarcea"  wrote:


I heard in the past year more interest in an African ApacheCon. However
the suggested venue was somewhere closer to Europe, like Morocco. I
suspect this is still too far away from the South African crowd, right?

Best,
Hadrian

On 10/16/2015 06:03 PM, Wyngaard, Jane R (398M-Affiliate) wrote:

Hi All,

I attended Apache Con Europe (big data and core) two weeks ago and a
couple of us were floating the idea of getting an ApacheCon Africa to
happen.  We were talking South Africa specifically given our origins but
in general the continent¹s awake to tech and open source and S. Africa¹s
just one part.

The essence of our discussions distilled down to  - make a monetary
business case for it and it could happen - so I just wanted to stick
this out there so the idea could maybe start to evolveŠ

Reasons for it to happen:
   - There are a bunch of apache committers in S. Africa but honestly
it¹s super expensive for us to get to any ApacheCon elsewhere (flip side
- it¹s cheap to come to us)
   - It¹s a stunning venue!
   - S. Africa¹s the gateway to Africa in so much as importing tech is
concerned (Nigeria and others aren¹t waiting for the world but are just
inventing their own<http://fossfa.net/> (Free software and open source
foundation for Africa) :)
   - There are big tech projects happening and more coming: i.e things
to get involved in / things to expose to ASF
Eg: The Square Kilometer Array telescope
<http://www.ska.ac.za/meerkat/>  or HPC
community<http://www.chpcconf.co.za/> , or Space
science<http://www.sansa.org.za/earthobservation/services> and
engineering community or energy community or business


   - And just for kicks ­ apparently we know how to use water powered
rockets best (yesterday¹s
slashdot<http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/10/08/1639243/university-of-ca
pe-town-team-breaks-world-water-rocketry-record>)

Honestly, I¹m sure others know more and better reasons than me too.
Obviously we're biased ­ it would benefit the S. Africa software
community more than anything else  - but also think it¹d be a win for
ASF community!


Jane

Other links:
OpenSource software and small businesses conference
2016<http://www.waset.org/conference/2016/01/johannesburg/ICOSSSB>

Banking<http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/financial/2015/07/16/nedbank-rol
ls-out-sas-first-big-data-service>
openOffice supporting African
Languages<http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-282/computi
ng/open-office-now-avai/en>





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Postdoctoral scholar
Instrument software and science data systems Section (398)

NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
4800 Oak Grove Drive MS: 158-256D
Pasadena, CA 91109

Phone:  818/354-6237
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Re: Apache Con in Africa?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I heard in the past year more interest in an African ApacheCon. However 
the suggested venue was somewhere closer to Europe, like Morocco. I 
suspect this is still too far away from the South African crowd, right?


Best,
Hadrian

On 10/16/2015 06:03 PM, Wyngaard, Jane R (398M-Affiliate) wrote:

Hi All,

I attended Apache Con Europe (big data and core) two weeks ago and a couple of 
us were floating the idea of getting an ApacheCon Africa to happen.  We were 
talking South Africa specifically given our origins but in general the 
continent’s awake to tech and open source and S. Africa’s just one part.

The essence of our discussions distilled down to  - make a monetary business 
case for it and it could happen - so I just wanted to stick this out there so 
the idea could maybe start to evolve…

Reasons for it to happen:
  - There are a bunch of apache committers in S. Africa but honestly it’s super 
expensive for us to get to any ApacheCon elsewhere (flip side - it’s cheap to 
come to us)
  - It’s a stunning venue!
  - S. Africa’s the gateway to Africa in so much as importing tech is concerned 
(Nigeria and others aren’t waiting for the world but are just inventing their 
own (Free software and open source foundation for Africa) :)
  - There are big tech projects happening and more coming: i.e things to get 
involved in / things to expose to ASF
Eg: The Square Kilometer Array telescope   or HPC 
community , or Space 
science and engineering community or 
energy community or business


  - And just for kicks – apparently we know how to use water powered rockets best 
(yesterday’s 
slashdot)

Honestly, I’m sure others know more and better reasons than me too. Obviously 
we're biased – it would benefit the S. Africa software community more than 
anything else  - but also think it’d be a win for ASF community!


Jane

Other links:
OpenSource software and small businesses conference 
2016
Banking
openOffice supporting African 
Languages





Jane Wyngaard, Ph.D
Postdoctoral scholar
Instrument software and science data systems Section (398)

NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
4800 Oak Grove Drive MS: 158-256D
Pasadena, CA 91109

Phone:  818/354-6237
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Re: OpenSource.com and promoting Apache

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Sure, absolutely. Thanks,
Hadrian

On 09/17/2015 03:54 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

Excellent.

I'd like to do intros with Rikki Endsley, who manages the site, if you
are amenable to that.


On 09/17/2015 02:53 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

I am interested for more than one reason. Please sign me up.
Hadrian

On 09/17/2015 02:22 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

At the risk of repeating myself ...

I recently posted this to the committers list:

===

Several months ago I mentioned that OpenSource.com is looking for
content for a monthly series on the ASF's projects. With 166 TLPs, it
seems that we'd be able to produce content for at least ten years of
articles.

Please let me know if you're interested in running an article on your
project, and I'll get you on the list. You can, if you like, write the
article yourself, or, if you prefer, I'd be willing to do a
feathercast-style interview with you (see http://feathercast.apache.org/
if you're not familiar with Feathercast) about your project, something
exciting in your community, or some interesting use that your project
has been put to.



I wonder if I could get a few volunteers here to do interviews about:

* What the heck is your project?
* What's exciting in version whatever.next of your project?
* What cool things is InterestingCompany doing with your project?

I would be glad to do the editing/transcript/writeup of these topics and
put together these articles. I figure if I pace myself at 1 a month, I
can keep up.

Anybody?

Re: OpenSource.com and promoting Apache

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I am interested for more than one reason. Please sign me up.
Hadrian

On 09/17/2015 02:22 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

At the risk of repeating myself ...

I recently posted this to the committers list:

===

Several months ago I mentioned that OpenSource.com is looking for
content for a monthly series on the ASF's projects. With 166 TLPs, it
seems that we'd be able to produce content for at least ten years of
articles.

Please let me know if you're interested in running an article on your
project, and I'll get you on the list. You can, if you like, write the
article yourself, or, if you prefer, I'd be willing to do a
feathercast-style interview with you (see http://feathercast.apache.org/
if you're not familiar with Feathercast) about your project, something
exciting in your community, or some interesting use that your project
has been put to.



I wonder if I could get a few volunteers here to do interviews about:

* What the heck is your project?
* What's exciting in version whatever.next of your project?
* What cool things is InterestingCompany doing with your project?

I would be glad to do the editing/transcript/writeup of these topics and
put together these articles. I figure if I pace myself at 1 a month, I
can keep up.

Anybody?

Re: Apache ICLA Question

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

For reference [1].

Kind Regards,
Hadrian Zbarcea

[1] https://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-corporate.txt


On 08/06/2015 12:25 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:

Hi,

Everyone who contributes to Apache does so as an individual, and each 
individual signs an icla.

If some other party owns the IP that is being contributed, the individual icla 
explicitly states that the individual has the permission to contribute.

If the agency grants that permission, nothing else is needed. But if you want 
to make that permission explicit, you can file a ccla that grants permission.

There are many government agencies that have employees who contribute to Apache 
projects. I can put you in touch if you think that would help.

Regards,

Craig



On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Presley, Karen D  wrote:

Hello,

My Agency has several developers that plan to contribute to an Apache project.  
We noticed the requirement for an ICLA to be signed by each contributor, yet 
these developers do not have the authority to grant patent or copyright 
licenses on behalf of the government.  As an alternate solution, is it 
acceptable for the person who has the authority to grant these IP rights sign 
an ICLA on behalf of all developers which, thereby listing all government 
contributors?

Thanks in advance for your assistance,


Karen






Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
c...@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo

Re: Enquiry for license

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi,

2. Apache Tomcat is free, and that's the only edition the Apache 
Software Foundation produces. There are no limitations.

1. Your rights and obligations are clearly defined in the license [1].
(Yes, you include Tomcat in a commercial application without any 
financial obligation on your part, but please read the license and 
consult a lawyer as necessary, ianal).



Regards,
Hadrian

[1] http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0


On 07/27/2015 06:00 PM, Ghamarjannah999 wrote:

ghamarjannah...@gmail.com

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone

 Nitish Agarwal wrote 


Hi Team,
I am developing an application where i want to use  Apache tomcat and I
need your help on following questions:
1. My software/application is not free for users so can i use Apache
tomcat in that for free ?
2. what are the limitations for free edition of Apache tomcat  ?

In short i want to know whether someone who is developing a product to be
sold (not open source), can he use free of cost Apache tomcat or no ?

Feel free to call on my number in signature.

Thanks.
Nitish Agarwal
ph : +44-7701359421

Re: New Subscriber

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

(sorry for the double post, didn't get the addressees right)

Hi Ravindra,

It's great that you want to contribute. The way it works is this: try to 
find a project that is of interest to in a field that you are passionate 
about. That will both make you happier and you're likely to produce 
results of higher quality. There are large number of successful projects 
small and large in a number of fields, written in various languages 
(including Java).


Interact with that community, contribute, ask questions, maybe ask
somebody to help and mentor you. You'll do great. It takes time and
practice to get better at like (like in any other endeavour).

Good luck!
Hadrian

On 07/24/2015 07:09 PM, Ravindranath Iruvuri wrote:

Hi,
I am Ravindra, Sun Certified Java Programmer and Web Component Developer
with good hands on experience in design and development of applications
using Java/J2EE technologies.
I have around 9 years and 4 months of experience into development of
Enterprise Product Development.
I am new comer to Apache Software Foundation and look forward to contribute
to the foundation in coding and where ever team wants me.

Please let me know how I can contribute to the community.

Thanks,
Ravindra

Re: New Subscriber

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Ravindra,

It's great that you want to contribute. The way it works is this: try to 
find a project that is of interest to in a field that you are passionate 
about. That will both make you happier and you're likely to produce 
results of higher quality. There are large number of successful projects 
small and large in a number of fields, written in various languages 
(including Java).


Interact with that community, contribute, ask questions, maybe ask 
somebody to help and mentor you. You'll do great. It takes time and 
practice to get better at like (like in any other endeavour).


Good luck!
Hadrian

On 07/24/2015 07:09 PM, Ravindranath Iruvuri wrote:

Hi,
I am Ravindra, Sun Certified Java Programmer and Web Component Developer
with good hands on experience in design and development of applications
using Java/J2EE technologies.
I have around 9 years and 4 months of experience into development of
Enterprise Product Development.
I am new comer to Apache Software Foundation and look forward to contribute
to the foundation in coding and where ever team wants me.

Please let me know how I can contribute to the community.

Thanks,
Ravindra

Re: Google Summer of Code 2015 Mentor Registration

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Is there a compiled list anywhere of the ASF projects proposed for 
GSOC2015? Couldn't find it. Jira searches for the GSOC2015 gave me 
results kinda all over the place.


Thanks,
Hadrian

On 03/06/2015 02:32 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote:

Dear PMCs,

I'm happy to announce that the ASF has made it onto the list of 137 accepted 
organizations for
Google Summer of Code 2015! [1,2]

It is now time for the mentors to sign up, so please pass this email on to your 
community and
podlings. If you aren’t already subscribed to ment...@community.apache.org you 
should do so now else
you might miss important information.

Mentor signup requires two steps: mentor signup in Melange and PMC 
acknowledgement.

If you want to mentor a project in this year's SoC you will have to

1. Be an Apache committer.
2. Register with Melange and set up a profile [3].
3. Add your username (formerly known as link_id) to [4]. This is NOT your email 
address but your
Melange username. You can find it at the top of any page once you are logged in.
4. Request an acknowledgement from the PMC for which you want to mentor 
projects. Use the below
template and do not forget to copy ment...@community.apache.org.
5. Once a PMC member acknowledges the request to mentor, and only then, go to 
[5] and send a
connection request.

PMCs, read carefully please.

We request that each mentor is acknowledged by a PMC member. This is to ensure 
the mentor is in good
standing with the community. When you receive a request for acknowledgement, 
please ACK it and cc
ment...@community.apache.org

Lastly, it is not yet too late to record your ideas in Jira (see my previous 
emails for details).
Students will now begin to explore ideas so if you haven’t already done so, 
record your ideas
immediately!

Cheers,

Uli

mentor request email template:

to: private@.apache.org
cc: ment...@community.apache.org
subject: GSoC 2015 mentor request for 

 PMC,

please acknowledge my request to become a mentor for Google Summer of Code 2015 
projects for Apache
.

My Melange username is .





[1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2015
[2] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2015/apache
[3] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015
[4] https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/GsocLinkId.txt
[5] 
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/connection/start/user/google/gsoc2015/apache

Re: [VOTE] Replace projects.apache.org with projects-new.apache.org

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

+1

Hadrian

On 03/06/2015 11:52 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

I'd like for us to go ahead and replace projects.apache.org with
projects-new.apache.org. It now has all the functionality that
projects.a.o has, and much more, and there's no reason to have two sites
up. If you object to moving forward with this, please say so.

[ ] +1, do it
[ ] +0, whatevs
[ ] -1, No (and say why, so we can address the problem)

--Rich

Re: ApacheCon Schedule spreadsheet

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Sergey Beryozkin asked me if it would be possible to swap his talk on 
Wed morning at 10am with Aki's talk at 9am.

He needs to fly back home (internationally) the same day.

Thanks,
Hadrian


On 02/25/2015 08:01 AM, Suresh Marru wrote:

Here is the schedule link - 
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/schedule 
 
or the direct sched link - http://apacheconna2015.sched.org 


Suresh



On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:39 AM, jan i  wrote:

I thought the spreadsheet was now "dead" and we use the LF scheduler ?

rgds
jan i

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015, Roman Shaposhnik mailto:ro...@shaposhnik.org>>
wrote:


Ditto here ;-)

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Alexander Bezzubov mailto:b...@apache.org>
> wrote:

Hi Rich,

may I request an access to the schedule spreadsheet please?

Thanks in advance.

--
BR,
Alexander

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Henry Saputra mailto:henry.sapu...@gmail.com>

>

wrote:


HI Rich,

Could I request access to the schedule spreadsheet please?

Thanks,


- Henry

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Rich Bowen 
> wrote:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k6Fbr7ijMs2PJunN9lhsjq7NjnSXRCVXTJHAHRqWshc/edit?usp=sharing

This is read-only because it's not the authoritative source, but is a

copy.

There's some overlap between Content and Science. There's also some

overlap

in the Community track.

Please send comments here. Note that we're supposed to notify speakers
yesterday.

--Rich

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com  - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon


--
Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.

Re: ApacheCon Schedule - Integration

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Thanks Rich,

#237 is a 7th talk (sort of a waiting list for precisely the reason you 
mention). We can go further down the list, my list was longer than that.


Cheers,
Hadrian



On 02/20/2015 04:14 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:



On 02/19/2015 01:55 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:


#85
#145
#201
#188
#58
#155
#237 - speaker has another accepted talk



Ok, I've scheduled these. Could be that we'll just not fill a few 
slots when people decline their acceptance, and we'll be fine.

Re: ApacheCon Schedule

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi,

I reviewed all 239 proposals and selected the following (most 
interesting first):


#85
#145
#201
#188
#58
#155
#237 - speaker has another accepted talk


Interesting, but:
#39 - bordering the big-data side
#64 - sounds more suitable for a business track
#13 - already a few other kafka presentations
#202 - less focused than #201
#106 - #155 is more interesting
#138 - #155 is more interesting
#236 - less interesting than #237 (and #238 accepted)

Notes:
* I would have put #237 higher up, but speaker already has #238 accepted.
* I selected 7 in the first section; (at least) one will end up on the 
waiting list

* there are a few kafka presentations I ignored, already a few accepted ones
* #35 sounds very interesting, but doesn't belong to this track

Please review and decide. Feel free to change or reshuffle as necessary.

Cheers,
Hadrian



On 02/19/2015 11:05 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

I just added 4 sessions. There is one more for the community track if Joe wants 
it (not in CFP). So there is space for a 6 session track from Hadrian.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: jan i<mailto:j...@apache.org>
Sent: ‎2/‎19/‎2015 7:59 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
Subject: Re: ApacheCon Schedule

On 19 February 2015 at 16:49, Hadrian Zbarcea  wrote:


Traditionally we had an integration track at ApacheCon. I volunteered to
run it this year, but there was virtually no answer from the PMCs.


I see however that there are more than enough proposals to put together a 6

talks integration track for Wed. If I could get a second, I'll get on it
and have it done probably before the end of the day.


Rich is boarding his plane now, but I am fine with such a track...but
please coordinate the number of free spaces with Ross, so we avoid double
bookings.

rgds
jan i



Cheers
Hadrian




On 02/19/2015 10:29 AM, jan i wrote:


On 19 February 2015 at 15:05, Rich Bowen  wrote:

  For those not involved in the process so far, I appreciate your patience,

and your suffering in the dark. Making the schedule public too early
caused
significant logistical problems last two times (people thinking they knew
things that they didn't know, and making travel plans accordingly), and
we
want to avoid that nightmare this time around.

For those involved in the process so far:

It looks like we're done with the ApacheCon schedule. Sort of. We've got
7
tracks, three days, which I think is probably just the right volume.

Please look at the DRAFT schedule, and comment in this thread. I, for
one,
think we have a kickin' schedule.

Problems that I think still need solving:

* We have an empty spot in the community track. Given that community is
what we *do*, it seems that we could come up with 6 community talks to
schedule, and have a few fallbacks. If folks could look through the
not-yet-accepted list with me and see what you can find, that would be
awesome.

  I did not find what I thought was a really strong community talk.

  * We have 16 open slots. We don't need to fill all of them - we need to

leave 6 or 7 slots open for vendor-sponsored talks (Don't worry, these
will
NOT be product pitches) which will show up over the coming weeks. (LF's
problem, not ours.) But I think we can probably put together a few
half-day
tracks if we put our minds to it. We have an entire day/track on
Wednesday,
if someone still thinks that they can put together a complete track (6
talks).

* We need more wait-listed talks. We currently have 6 waitlisted talks,
and I'm probably going to take several of those right now to fill in some
empties.

  I am now on my second iteration, to mark talks as wait-listed. The

definition is pretty simple, it need to be an unscheduled talk (of course)
and the speaker must have an accepted talk.


  * We have the problem that's not a problem, which is that we had 239

submissions, and have only accepted 115 talks - less than half. So we'll
get a LOT of "why wasn't my talk accepted" emails, and I never have very
good answers to that, because the answer really is, this time, too much
content, too little space. But the questions will come, and that's a very
unsatisfying answer to people that have put time and effort into crafting
talk abstracts.

  This is really a good argument for pushing more out to the PMCs and have

track chairs, who start before CFP officially opens, so they can help
create the right talks.

I take this as a lesson learned. To be fair the track-chair idea worked
better than I thought, and next time we know to push harder for that.




If you would like to help with any of these things, please get in touch
with me. Or, just step up and claim it and do it.

Note that I will be flying for much of today, and at a conference
Friday-Sunday, so if I'm not responsive, please ping Jan Iversen, who can
also help you out with this - although 

Re: ApacheCon Schedule

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Rich,

ARGH, I missed that, only saw the draft.

Thanks a bunch,
Hadrian


On 02/19/2015 10:35 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
You have already been invited to the document. Look at your 
drive.google.com list of docs for something matching 'MASTER'


On 02/19/2015 10:17 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

Rich, how can I get access to the list of submitted talks?

Hadrian

On 02/19/2015 09:05 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:

For those not involved in the process so far, I appreciate your
patience, and your suffering in the dark. Making the schedule public
too early caused significant logistical problems last two times
(people thinking they knew things that they didn't know, and making
travel plans accordingly), and we want to avoid that nightmare this
time around.

For those involved in the process so far:

It looks like we're done with the ApacheCon schedule. Sort of. We've
got 7 tracks, three days, which I think is probably just the right
volume.

Please look at the DRAFT schedule, and comment in this thread. I, for
one, think we have a kickin' schedule.

Problems that I think still need solving:

* We have an empty spot in the community track. Given that community
is what we *do*, it seems that we could come up with 6 community talks
to schedule, and have a few fallbacks. If folks could look through the
not-yet-accepted list with me and see what you can find, that would be
awesome.

* We have 16 open slots. We don't need to fill all of them - we need
to leave 6 or 7 slots open for vendor-sponsored talks (Don't worry,
these will NOT be product pitches) which will show up over the coming
weeks. (LF's problem, not ours.) But I think we can probably put
together a few half-day tracks if we put our minds to it. We have an
entire day/track on Wednesday, if someone still thinks that they can
put together a complete track (6 talks).

* We need more wait-listed talks. We currently have 6 waitlisted
talks, and I'm probably going to take several of those right now to
fill in some empties.

* We have the problem that's not a problem, which is that we had 239
submissions, and have only accepted 115 talks - less than half. So
we'll get a LOT of "why wasn't my talk accepted" emails, and I never
have very good answers to that, because the answer really is, this
time, too much content, too little space. But the questions will come,
and that's a very unsatisfying answer to people that have put time and
effort into crafting talk abstracts.


If you would like to help with any of these things, please get in
touch with me. Or, just step up and claim it and do it.

Note that I will be flying for much of today, and at a conference
Friday-Sunday, so if I'm not responsive, please ping Jan Iversen, who
can also help you out with this - although apparently I can't make him
Owner of the Google Doc, so actually sharing the doc with you will be
delayed, unless you respond in the next 3 hours.

Re: ApacheCon Schedule

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Traditionally we had an integration track at ApacheCon. I volunteered to 
run it this year, but there was virtually no answer from the PMCs.


I see however that there are more than enough proposals to put together 
a 6 talks integration track for Wed. If I could get a second, I'll get 
on it and have it done probably before the end of the day.


Cheers
Hadrian



On 02/19/2015 10:29 AM, jan i wrote:

On 19 February 2015 at 15:05, Rich Bowen  wrote:


For those not involved in the process so far, I appreciate your patience,
and your suffering in the dark. Making the schedule public too early caused
significant logistical problems last two times (people thinking they knew
things that they didn't know, and making travel plans accordingly), and we
want to avoid that nightmare this time around.

For those involved in the process so far:

It looks like we're done with the ApacheCon schedule. Sort of. We've got 7
tracks, three days, which I think is probably just the right volume.

Please look at the DRAFT schedule, and comment in this thread. I, for one,
think we have a kickin' schedule.

Problems that I think still need solving:

* We have an empty spot in the community track. Given that community is
what we *do*, it seems that we could come up with 6 community talks to
schedule, and have a few fallbacks. If folks could look through the
not-yet-accepted list with me and see what you can find, that would be
awesome.


I did not find what I thought was a really strong community talk.


* We have 16 open slots. We don't need to fill all of them - we need to
leave 6 or 7 slots open for vendor-sponsored talks (Don't worry, these will
NOT be product pitches) which will show up over the coming weeks. (LF's
problem, not ours.) But I think we can probably put together a few half-day
tracks if we put our minds to it. We have an entire day/track on Wednesday,
if someone still thinks that they can put together a complete track (6
talks).

* We need more wait-listed talks. We currently have 6 waitlisted talks,
and I'm probably going to take several of those right now to fill in some
empties.


I am now on my second iteration, to mark talks as wait-listed. The
definition is pretty simple, it need to be an unscheduled talk (of course)
and the speaker must have an accepted talk.



* We have the problem that's not a problem, which is that we had 239
submissions, and have only accepted 115 talks - less than half. So we'll
get a LOT of "why wasn't my talk accepted" emails, and I never have very
good answers to that, because the answer really is, this time, too much
content, too little space. But the questions will come, and that's a very
unsatisfying answer to people that have put time and effort into crafting
talk abstracts.


This is really a good argument for pushing more out to the PMCs and have
track chairs, who start before CFP officially opens, so they can help
create the right talks.

I take this as a lesson learned. To be fair the track-chair idea worked
better than I thought, and next time we know to push harder for that.




If you would like to help with any of these things, please get in touch
with me. Or, just step up and claim it and do it.

Note that I will be flying for much of today, and at a conference
Friday-Sunday, so if I'm not responsive, please ping Jan Iversen, who can
also help you out with this - although apparently I can't make him Owner of
the Google Doc, so actually sharing the doc with you will be delayed,
unless you respond in the next 3 hours.


thats me :-)

I will be available the next couple of days, and try also to be on IRC as
much as possiblesadly enough sharing is left to Rich.

rgds
jan i



--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: ApacheCon Schedule

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Rich, how can I get access to the list of submitted talks?

Hadrian

On 02/19/2015 09:05 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
For those not involved in the process so far, I appreciate your 
patience, and your suffering in the dark. Making the schedule public 
too early caused significant logistical problems last two times 
(people thinking they knew things that they didn't know, and making 
travel plans accordingly), and we want to avoid that nightmare this 
time around.


For those involved in the process so far:

It looks like we're done with the ApacheCon schedule. Sort of. We've 
got 7 tracks, three days, which I think is probably just the right 
volume.


Please look at the DRAFT schedule, and comment in this thread. I, for 
one, think we have a kickin' schedule.


Problems that I think still need solving:

* We have an empty spot in the community track. Given that community 
is what we *do*, it seems that we could come up with 6 community talks 
to schedule, and have a few fallbacks. If folks could look through the 
not-yet-accepted list with me and see what you can find, that would be 
awesome.


* We have 16 open slots. We don't need to fill all of them - we need 
to leave 6 or 7 slots open for vendor-sponsored talks (Don't worry, 
these will NOT be product pitches) which will show up over the coming 
weeks. (LF's problem, not ours.) But I think we can probably put 
together a few half-day tracks if we put our minds to it. We have an 
entire day/track on Wednesday, if someone still thinks that they can 
put together a complete track (6 talks).


* We need more wait-listed talks. We currently have 6 waitlisted 
talks, and I'm probably going to take several of those right now to 
fill in some empties.


* We have the problem that's not a problem, which is that we had 239 
submissions, and have only accepted 115 talks - less than half. So 
we'll get a LOT of "why wasn't my talk accepted" emails, and I never 
have very good answers to that, because the answer really is, this 
time, too much content, too little space. But the questions will come, 
and that's a very unsatisfying answer to people that have put time and 
effort into crafting talk abstracts.



If you would like to help with any of these things, please get in 
touch with me. Or, just step up and claim it and do it.


Note that I will be flying for much of today, and at a conference 
Friday-Sunday, so if I'm not responsive, please ping Jan Iversen, who 
can also help you out with this - although apparently I can't make him 
Owner of the Google Doc, so actually sharing the doc with you will be 
delayed, unless you respond in the next 3 hours.

Re: [ApacheCon] Business track?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Shane, if you need any help with reviewing the talks, please let me 
know, I'd be happy to give a 2nd opinion.


Rich, if Shane takes my offer I'd need that URL too.

Cheers,
Hadrian


On 02/18/2015 12:35 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:

On 2/17/15 1:07 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

Shane, are you able to find time to pull together a business track
either from what's been submitted, or from solicited talks?


Can someone privately remind me of the URL to review talks (I can see my
own CFP submissions, but not the whole set) and the other
meta-spreadsheet of tracks and I can try.  Will be offline all of Friday
(and $dayjob has been a pain lately), so any help is appreciated.

- Shane

Re: Knowing which talks are already claimed by another ApacheCon track?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Hi Rich,

Please add the sender of this mail.

Hadrian


On 02/17/2015 12:56 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:



On 02/17/2015 12:52 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

I've posted a spreadsheet in another thread.


As mentioned in the other thread, please let me know if you need to be 
on the invite list. Send me the gmail address you'd like me to add. 
Thanks.


--Rich






People need to NOT TAKE THIS AS TALK ACCEPTANCE. Because it IS NOT.

Last year we had enormous confusion because people took a DRAFT
spreadsheet as final notice, and made plans accordingly.

We definitely need better tools for this.

--Rich

On 02/17/2015 12:27 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

So, the trouble with this process last year was that there were 4
mutually contradictory docs floating around.


On 02/16/2015 03:36 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

It's probably best we start an online doc somewhere...

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A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

-Original Message-
From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 12:29 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Knowing which talks are already claimed by another
ApacheCon track?



On 02/16/2015 11:49 AM, Nick Burch wrote:

Hi All

I'm trying to finalise the Content Technologies track for Austin, but
I'm struggling to know which talks have already been "claimed" by
other tracks. Some of the ones I want to include have review comments
which suggest they might have been, and some I'd just guess might be.
I can't seem to see anything conclusive in the review app though.

For the ones overlapping with Science&Healthcare, I'm getting round
this by having the chair of that track just mark up my google doc
spreadsheet with the talks he's already claimed, which just-about
works but may not scale! Is there a more general way I can see what
other track chairs are planning to take?

(If not, I can just send my list of talks, and hope for the best...)



Yeah, that's why I've asked folks to post their proposed tracks here
-- because there's no good way to do this in the CFP itself. I hope
that by the next event there will be a "track chair" access level,
where people can claim tracks.

Better yet, if we can persuade LF to open source the CFP system ...


--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ -
@apachecon

Re: ApacheCon community track - Who's the track chair?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I can back up Roman if needed.

I didn't review ApacheCon talks for a couple of years or so and I don't 
remember the logistics part. How can we get a list of the proposed talks?


Cheers,
Hadrian


On 02/11/2015 01:26 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:

I can volunteer. What do I need to do? ;-)

Thanks,
Roman.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:

Anyone want to volunteer to chair the Community track at ApacheCon?
Basically, this means taking charge of reviewing the Community talks that
have been submitted, and selecting the content that will run in that track -
n*6 talks (hopefully) and a few fallback talks to fill in the inevitable
cancellations.

Any takers?

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: FOSDEM 2016

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I'll plan to attend next year too then.

(Camel? Isn't that a trademark infringement? :) )

Hadrian


On 02/04/2015 06:27 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Rich Bowen wrote:

For those that weren't there, you should know that OpenOffice had a
presence there (as they always have), staffed by volunteers, with some
swag provided by the ASF, and other swag provided by the OpenOffice
community, out of their own pockets. They did an *awesome* job of
representing both AOO and the ASF as a whole.


Thanks. The feather-decorated "Ask me!" badges helped a lot to get 
questions about the ASF.



However, I think we can do better in 2016. I want to see Apache have a
table at FOSDEM 2016, representing more than just one project, with
proper respect to the historical position of AOO at the event - ie, not
just usurping their place there.


Suggest a main track talk. There are plenty of good Apache stories to 
tell. I usually have a look at the FOSDEM site in early September for 
deadlines. I recommend that you do the same.



* We would need to either have a separate table from AOO, or double the
size of the existing table, so that we don't eclipse their place there.
They've put *years* into developing a presence at FOSDEM, and we want to
respect that.


The OpenOffice table is double (with respect to the one you saw). But 
our volunteers, due to good relationships with the neighboring Perl 
table, rearranged them so that instead of 2 OpenOffice + 2 Perl we had 
1 OpenOffice (which was enough) + 3 Perl (which was barely enough for 
the huge amount of stuff they carry, piles of books and even a 
life-size camel last year).



* Table Staff: I figure it takes at least 6 people to staff a FOSDEM
table if you don't want to go insane. Daniel and Jan have said that they
will staff the table. So we're 1/3 of the way there. I would probably be
available for some time, but, like many of the folks that might
otherwise be willing to do time, I have work duties as well.


I have no work duties at FOSDEM (meaning, I attend it as a pure 
volunteer) but I have no time either. And I don't know if I will 
attend next year.



* We need printed materials, as well as stickers/pins/whatever.


Not sure about this. At FOSDEM most people are content with stickers, 
pins and talks. We prepared lots of OpenOffice tri-folds for events 
but not many of them are used at FOSDEM.



* A tshirt would be nice


Yes!


So, if you are interested in being part of this effort, please speak up.


I might be at FOSDEM 2016 and/or I might be available to share my 
knowledge from my experience there. Don't count on me too much for 
staffing the table though, I'm always very busy at FOSDEM.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Why the Apachecon (was Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed)

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Awesome Nick. Is there a recording or something for it?
Hadrian

On 02/04/2015 06:10 PM, Nick Burch wrote:

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
For example, I would love to have some kind of an event at the 
ApacheCON that would encourage as many folks as possible to learn 
about various ASF projects. I have some ideas around running a kind 
of lighting talks/reading group where each participant is randomly 
given an ASF project and is required to present on it in 5 minutes or 
something.


Or you could go crazy, aim for sharing information on an even greater 
number of projects, pick ~40, give them all to one person, and get 
them to do a 40 minute talk with a minute on each one!


I actually did two such talks in Budapest, one for content related 
projects:

http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/event/2236d3a762fd00df45922ca084ec326a
and one for big data related ones:
http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/event/30981664d3aba98f8a84a16136602ceb

They're a non-trivial amount of work to put together, and you probably 
won't fill a room, but they almost always get great feedback from 
those who attend. One memorable comment was someone from a project I 
covered saying I'd done a better elevator pitch for their project than 
they'd ever managed :)


So, based on those experiences, I'd very much encourage people to 
propose and give many-project overview talks like those, and even 
better come up with ideas like this to help spread the load of 
delivering them. They do work, they are popular, and we need more!


Nick

Re: ApacheCon papers?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Kinda like a book, right?

Hadrian


On 01/12/2015 06:02 PM, Claude Warren wrote:

I noticed that the ApacheCon site seems to have downloads of slide decks.

I have a friend that did "A year without Powerpoint(tm)".  That is, he
provided more detail in the takeaway documents.  I find that the slides
from a slide show are worthless after a couple of hours, that I don't
recall the detail I need.  However, a document that contains the basic
synopsis of the idea, the work done to prove/disporve viability, contact
info and URIs is much valuable.

Would ApacheCon place other speaker provided documents on the donwload site
in additon to the slide deck?

Re: ApacheCon track descriptions

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Geez :). My impression is that some communities just assume it's gonna 
happen. Let me send a few email and gauge the interest. If there's 
enough (which I assume to be the case), I'll volunteer.


Cheers,
Hadrian



On 12/12/2014 04:53 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

If you arrange it, yes :-)

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A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

-Original Message-
From: Hadrian Zbarcea [mailto:hzbar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:49 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: ApacheCon track descriptions

Not sure if my previous mail made it to the list. We kinda traditionally had a 
SOA/integration track that attracted a decent crowd. Camel, CXF, Karaf some 
ActiveMQ, (ServiceMix a while back) were the main attractions. Do we want such 
a track this time around?

Cheers,
Hadrian


On 12/12/2014 11:25 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

Track organizers you have a small job to do...

Sally is working up a marketing campaign to align with ApacheCon. This is a 
campaign for the foundation not for ApacheCon itself, however it will run 
during the push for attendees and is intended to both ride on the ApacheCon 
press and contribute to it.

In order to help Sally plan this campaign can you please provide a 3-5 sentence 
description of your track in the wiki 
(https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/ACNA2015ContentCommittee). Don't worry about the 
details. We'll help flesh out a more "marketing friendly" set of words. We just 
need some guidance on what your track will contain.

As an example here's what I wrote for my cloud track:
"The cloud changes everything. The Apache Software Foundation changes everything. 
This track will focus on how The Apache Software Foundation and, more specifically, the 
Apache projects are often found at the core of the latest and greatest innovations in IT. 
Sessions in this track will show how the Apache Way enables the largest and the smallest 
of companies to work together to redefine IT. We'll also take a look into the future of 
cloud computing and how Apache projects fit into, even defines, that future."
Ross

Re: ApacheCon track descriptions

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Not sure if my previous mail made it to the list. We kinda traditionally 
had a SOA/integration track that attracted a decent crowd. Camel, CXF, 
Karaf some ActiveMQ, (ServiceMix a while back) were the main 
attractions. Do we want such a track this time around?


Cheers,
Hadrian


On 12/12/2014 11:25 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

Track organizers you have a small job to do...

Sally is working up a marketing campaign to align with ApacheCon. This is a 
campaign for the foundation not for ApacheCon itself, however it will run 
during the push for attendees and is intended to both ride on the ApacheCon 
press and contribute to it.

In order to help Sally plan this campaign can you please provide a 3-5 sentence 
description of your track in the wiki 
(https://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/ACNA2015ContentCommittee). Don't worry about the 
details. We'll help flesh out a more "marketing friendly" set of words. We just 
need some guidance on what your track will contain.

As an example here's what I wrote for my cloud track:
"The cloud changes everything. The Apache Software Foundation changes everything. 
This track will focus on how The Apache Software Foundation and, more specifically, the 
Apache projects are often found at the core of the latest and greatest innovations in IT. 
Sessions in this track will show how the Apache Way enables the largest and the smallest 
of companies to work together to redefine IT. We'll also take a look into the future of 
cloud computing and how Apache projects fit into, even defines, that future."
Ross

Re: Content tracks at ApacheCon Austin

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

A SOA track was always popular as well, the 
cxf/activemq/camel/karaf/aries/++ ecosystem.


My $0.02,
Hadrian

On 11/22/2014 12:16 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
The CFP for ApacheCon Austin closes on February 1st, so we have just 
over 2 months to get our content solicited for that event. I need your 
help.


At ApacheCon EU this week, I spoke with a number of project PMCs. I 
requested that they attempt to put together what they feel would be a 
good track - ie., a list of topics that they feel would need to be 
covered in order for their project to be properly represented - and 
then attempt to solicit *those* talks from their user/dev community.


This has a few benefits over the standard "what do you want to talk 
about?" CFP process. One, you end up with the talks that represent a 
full coverage of a project, without big holes. And it's a great way to 
encourage new speakers who are having trouble deciding what they might 
speak about.


I believe I'll be getting tracks from:

* Cloudstack
* OFBiz
* OpenOffice
* Mesos
* httpd

I would ask that you make this request of your project PMC, those of 
you who have a project (or more) that you are active on. Or find the 
person who should own this.


In the coming days, I'd like to build a list of people that are 
interested in making ApacheCon Austin happen, and in particular 
helping get PMCs more involved in the process. If that's you, please 
speak up.


Question: Do you think we need a dedicated mailing list for this, or 
should we continue to do this on dev@community? (I'm open to either 
way, but if folks feel strongly one way or the other, we should do that.)

Re: Introduction: students want to learn about Apache

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

If this is GMU in Northern Virginia, I am short 30 drive away from there. I
could go and meet with them if they'd be interested. I also know a few
companies interested in open source (mostly Apache related) talent in the
DC area.

Cheers,
Hadrian



On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> Count me in for remote help too. I'm really big on bringing students
> to Apache (through my USC courses for years and elsewhere).
>
>
> ++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-5th floor
> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Suresh Marru 
> Reply-To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:32 AM
> To: "dev@community.apache.org" 
> Cc: Shauna GM 
> Subject: Re: Introduction: students want to learn about Apache
>
> >Hi Noirin & Shauna,
> >
> >Just a comment. I gave a brief talk on the career panel at the open hatch
> >event in Indiana University, Bloomington and the whole event was indeed
> >fascinating. I will not be able to help with any of these upcoming events
> >in person, but will be happy to help as needed remotely.
> >
> >Suresh
> >
> >On Apr 9, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Nóirín Plunkett  wrote:
> >
> >> Community Project,
> >>
> >> Let me introduce Shauna, from Openhatch.org.
> >>
> >> She sets up events for college students who are interested in open
> >>source.
> >> Her next batch of kids, at George Mason University (April 19th -
> >> http://hackmason.org/openhatch/), is interested in Apache--would anyone
> >>be
> >> available to go and talk with them? Alternatively, would anyone be
> >> available to participate remotely/via video call? (I've known Openhatch
> >>for
> >> several years now, and can strongly vouch for their awesome bona fides.)
> >>
> >> Openhatch also have events coming up in Boston (April 26th and 27th),
> >> Chicago (April 26th), Salinas (May 3rd) and elsewhere, where Apache
> >>people
> >> would be very welcome to get involved.
> >>
> >> There are a few main ways to be involved as a mentor.  For people who
> >>are
> >> local to an event, they are very welcome to come and mentor throughout
> >>the
> >> day.  This usually means answering questions, sometimes presenting
> >> activities, and helping students contribute to projects.  The last part
> >>of
> >> the day involves a period of 1-3 hours where students begin to make
> >> contributions to open source projects.  If people feel there are
> >>specific
> >> projects they know well--particularly projects you're a committer
> >>for--you
> >> can help students contribute to those projects specifically.
> >>
> >> To be a "project lead" one does not have to be there in person--you can
> >>do
> >> this remotely by being paired with a local mentor.  It's also important
> >>to
> >> note that mentors don't have to be programmers, and contributions are
> >>not
> >> just code contributions.  Any kind of open source contribution is
> >>welcome,
> >> as are any kind of contributor.  :)
> >>
> >> Lastly, it's also possible to be part of their "remote career panels".
> >> When Openhatch don't have enough people to do an in-person career panel,
> >> they get open source professionals from around the country to join in
> >>on a
> >> video call where students ask questions like, "How do people make money
> >>off
> >> of open source?"  "Was it hard to find a job working on free/open source
> >> software?" and others.
> >>
> >> Questions are probably best directed to Shauna herself--I'm just the
> >> conduit :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Noirin
> >
>
>

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Not sure if it's a mischaracterization. I have the same understanding as 
Benson that that many comments on git threads reflected the perception 
that git/github are incompatible with ASF. Not the point however.


What I see again is, for the most part, violent agreement that turns 
into lengthy threads that have a ddos effect (at least on me). What I 
get is that:
* votes are important, no vote no release (little to debate on that, 
given the current bylaws)
* the community *must* be included, hence the rationale for 72 hours 
votes guideline
* the board is ok with shorter vote windows, provided the release 
requirements are met *and* community is included
* the cordova community is willing to adapt to a process that satisfies 
the ASF guidelines, but they would like to preserve their current style 
of 'cadence releases'


What I don't get is this:
* say a community reaches a consensus to provide weekly releases (or 
daily, whatever cadence)
* say that they all know that the voting window is 12 hours (or 1 hour) 
starting *always* on Wed as 12 am UTC.
Then how can one justify a claim that a release was pushed by the 
'people in the room'? Cadence release is not unheard of. There are 
communities who release at a cadence of 4 years and the voting window is 
24 hours, the Tue after the first Mon in Nov [1].


* nobody could claim they are excluded, as the voting window is well 
known in advance
* people (pmc or not) can decide in advance if they have bandwidth to 
participate in testing the release and hence voting
* people can volunteer/announce in advance if they can/will participate 
in testing the release, which is what the RM does in any project
* what goes in the release is dictated by the commits and the community 
has plenty of ways to decide how to accomplish that
* changes are incremental (i.e. whatever changes since last week), so 
the volume of work and expectations are known and manageable

* people can decide what the fate of failed releases is (redo, skip, etc).
* a project could even go as far as allowing such 'short' vote cycles 
only via a unanimous and time bound (say quarterly) vote in the PMC. 
This way a rogue group would only have a limited time to push their 
interests. A disenfranchised PMC member could easily -1 short releases 
for the next quarter. If the community cares about candence releases, it 
creates an incentive for people to play nicely in the community. And 
there are other ways, smarter people already suggested.


It is not my place to judge nor my desire to advocate for or against 
cadence releases. I saw a bunch of excellent comments and proposals in 
these thread(s). Some volunteered to experiment too. What is the problem 
with such an elusive solution, really? What is the perceived risk?


My $0.02,
Hadrian

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Day_%28United_States%29


On 02/13/2014 08:40 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote:

That is a mischaracterization of the git story which was always about being 
able to support multiple version control tools.  Yes people were concerned 
about the social side but we wouldn't be Apache without that debate.

Same here.  All you are seeing is some natural skepticism about the claims 
being made.  The door is open though to a well considered proposal that this 
exercise should help refine.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Benson Margulies  wrote:

This conversation goes in a circle. I see two positions:

1: Cadence releases are inevitably incompatible with Apache community values.
2: Cadence releases are not inevitably incompatible with Apache
community values.

People who take the first position see this desire to use cadence as
weakening of values and the brand. People who take the second position
are frustrated.

Note the phrase, 'not inevitably'.  No one here is claiming, in the
absence of an experiment, that this idea will inevitably lead to a
perfectly healthy expression of Apache Community values.

This conversation reminds me of the early days of the git discussion.
At that time, some folks were convinced that 'git === fork culture'.
Since 'fork culture' is pretty clearly incompatible with Apache
community values, it took a very long time for us to decide to perform
an _experiment_ in git usage to see what would happen. OK, here we
are, the git experiment has been deemed a success.

The following is utterly non-rhetorical. Something happened over the
course of long discussion to move from 'git is evil, go away' to
'infra is willing to put effort into the infrastructure to support an
experiment.' What was it, and is there any hope of following that
path?




On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Phil Steitz  wrote:

On 2/12/14, 7:23 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Phil Steitz  wrote:

I know this looks old-fashioned, even downright anachronistic to
"push-hourly-from-CI" people; but deciding *what* to release *as a
community* is an important responsibility of ASF PMCs.  Putting
things 

Re: Anyone able to give the "Can I depend on Software built By Volunteers?" talk in Portland?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Maybe we can find some interesting stats and/or trivia.
Hadrian

On 02/16/2013 02:02 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

Ah, big fun. Preparation definitely a Job for Beer!

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
 wrote:

Hi

In my case it was an interactive one and didn't use any slides

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3
Apologies for any typos
On Feb 16, 2013 7:00 PM, "Benson Margulies"  wrote:


Are there some, well, slides?

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea 

wrote:

@All, thanks for the pointers.
@Benson, will do, enjoy vacation.
Hadrian


On 02/13/2013 07:29 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:


Hadrian,

I'm going to be on vacation next week. On the other hand, the time
slot is on Thursday AM. So I'd propose tuning this up over beer on
site.

--benson


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
 wrote:


Hi


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:


I gave it in Vancouver and wherever was before that (Atlanta?). Nour,
gave
it in Sinsheim with his own twist. One thing that has remained

constant

throughout has been the interactive nature of the session, i.e. spend
ten
minutes setting the scene then guide the audience through the topic

by

inviting questions and comments from the floor (I really don't like
"lecture" style presentations). Delivering a session like this

requires

a
certain amount of "on the feet" thinking, as well as a few stooges

in he

audience to help keep it lively.

The min theme of the session, as I gave it, is captured in a blog

post

at




http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/apache-asserts/2012/05/apache-openoffice-can-i-depend-on-software-built-by-volunteers/index.htm




Totally agree with what Ross has mentioned. Having an interactive

talk is

much more fun and more attractive to the attendees.

Ross, kindly, gave me a great chance to give this talk in Sienshein.

The

only thing I added is to try to give a show case like scenario using

the

attendees them selves. IIRC, Ross liked the idea but the case itself

was

not a good example. He
mentioned some people made research in that area and they have a good
case
using which the show can be better.

@Ross: I hope you still remember that :) as you promised to give me
links/pointers about that research

@Benson and @Hadrian: Good luck :)





Ross


On 13 February 2013 22:55, Nick Burch  wrote:


On Wed, 13 Feb 2013, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:


Ross I think you delivered it in Vancouver. Do you happen to have

some

slides we could use as a starting point?



Ross gave it in Vancouver:
http://na11.apachecon.com/**talks/19420<


http://na11.apachecon.com/talks/19420>



Nour gave it in Sinsheim:
http://www.apachecon.eu/**schedule/presentation/176/<


http://www.apachecon.eu/schedule/presentation/176/>



The Sinsheim talk ought to be here (but doesn't seem to be)
http://archive.apachecon.com/**eu2012/presentations/07-**
Wednesday/PR-Community/<





http://archive.apachecon.com/eu2012/presentations/07-Wednesday/PR-Community/




The Vancouver talk ought to be here (but doesn't seem to be)
http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2011/presentations/09-**
Wednesday/C-Business/<





http://archive.apachecon.com/na2011/presentations/09-Wednesday/C-Business/





Ross, Nour - any chance you could add your missing presentation

slides

to
svn so they appear where they're supposed to be? :)

Cheers
Nick





--
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com





--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
moving"
- Albert Einstein

Re: Anyone able to give the "Can I depend on Software built By Volunteers?" talk in Portland?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

@All, thanks for the pointers.
@Benson, will do, enjoy vacation.
Hadrian

On 02/13/2013 07:29 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

Hadrian,

I'm going to be on vacation next week. On the other hand, the time
slot is on Thursday AM. So I'd propose tuning this up over beer on
site.

--benson


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
 wrote:

Hi


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:


I gave it in Vancouver and wherever was before that (Atlanta?). Nour, gave
it in Sinsheim with his own twist. One thing that has remained constant
throughout has been the interactive nature of the session, i.e. spend ten
minutes setting the scene then guide the audience through the topic by
inviting questions and comments from the floor (I really don't like
"lecture" style presentations). Delivering a session like this requires a
certain amount of "on the feet" thinking, as well as a few stooges in he
audience to help keep it lively.

The min theme of the session, as I gave it, is captured in a blog post at

http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/apache-asserts/2012/05/apache-openoffice-can-i-depend-on-software-built-by-volunteers/index.htm



Totally agree with what Ross has mentioned. Having an interactive talk is
much more fun and more attractive to the attendees.

Ross, kindly, gave me a great chance to give this talk in Sienshein. The
only thing I added is to try to give a show case like scenario using the
attendees them selves. IIRC, Ross liked the idea but the case itself was
not a good example. He
mentioned some people made research in that area and they have a good case
using which the show can be better.

@Ross: I hope you still remember that :) as you promised to give me
links/pointers about that research

@Benson and @Hadrian: Good luck :)





Ross


On 13 February 2013 22:55, Nick Burch  wrote:


On Wed, 13 Feb 2013, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:


Ross I think you delivered it in Vancouver. Do you happen to have some
slides we could use as a starting point?



Ross gave it in Vancouver:
http://na11.apachecon.com/**talks/19420<

http://na11.apachecon.com/talks/19420>


Nour gave it in Sinsheim:
http://www.apachecon.eu/**schedule/presentation/176/<

http://www.apachecon.eu/schedule/presentation/176/>


The Sinsheim talk ought to be here (but doesn't seem to be)
http://archive.apachecon.com/**eu2012/presentations/07-**
Wednesday/PR-Community/<

http://archive.apachecon.com/eu2012/presentations/07-Wednesday/PR-Community/



The Vancouver talk ought to be here (but doesn't seem to be)
http://archive.apachecon.com/**na2011/presentations/09-**
Wednesday/C-Business/<

http://archive.apachecon.com/na2011/presentations/09-Wednesday/C-Business/




Ross, Nour - any chance you could add your missing presentation slides to
svn so they appear where they're supposed to be? :)

Cheers
Nick





--
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com





--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein

Re: Anyone able to give the "Can I depend on Software built By Volunteers?" talk in Portland?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Benson, do you have some time to touch base regarding this talk and plan 
it a bit?


Ross I think you delivered it in Vancouver. Do you happen to have some 
slides we could use as a starting point?


Thanks,
Hadrian

On 02/04/2013 07:33 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

I'd be happy to turn it into a Punch & Judy show with Hadrian.

On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Nick Burch  wrote:


On Thu, 31 Jan 2013, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

I can take it if nobody else wants it.


On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Benson Margulies wrote:

I could


Do you two want to deliver it as a joint effort? Or failing that, play 
rock-paper-scissors-spock and let us know who wins? :)

Cheers
Nick

Re: Anyone able to give the "Can I depend on Software built By Volunteers?" talk in Portland?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Sounds good to me. The main point is that we can handle it, no worries.
Hadrian

On 02/04/2013 07:33 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

I'd be happy to turn it into a Punch & Judy show with Hadrian.

On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Nick Burch  wrote:


On Thu, 31 Jan 2013, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

I can take it if nobody else wants it.


On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Benson Margulies wrote:

I could


Do you two want to deliver it as a joint effort? Or failing that, play 
rock-paper-scissors-spock and let us know who wins? :)

Cheers
Nick

Re: Anyone able to give the "Can I depend on Software built By Volunteers?" talk in Portland?

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I can take it if nobody else wants it.

Cheers,
Hadrian


On 01/31/2013 08:03 PM, Nick Burch wrote:

Hi All

Sadly, it looks like Mohammad Nour won't be able to join us in Portland
after all :( He was down to speak in the community track, giving an
updated version of a popular talk - Can I depend on Software built By
Volunteers? [1]

Is anyone who's going to Portland able to cover this one? I think a few
people on this list have given it before, so should be able to help with
drafts. Any takers?

We'll miss you in Portland Nour :/

Nick

[1] http://na.apachecon.com/schedule/presentation/184/

Re: Some clarification needed for Apache Extra projects - Apache Extra in specific

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I though Ross was very clear in his explanation, but apparently not...
Unfortunately this thread (happens too often 
at the ASF) is digressing into hypothetical, vague and philosophical 
discussions.


Quoting Ross: "this *is* completely different". As an aside, I 
personally don't consider subscribing a private@ PMC mailing list to 
another list the smartest thing to do, I'd rather have individual PMC 
members subscribe and inform the rest of the PMC. That however doesn't 
cause any issue because, quoting Ross again, that's just a 
"communication link". I would add that that is a unidirectional 
communication link, by which the external project communicates something 
of interest to an audience, and a PMC happens to be part of said 
audience. The PMC is a *passive* participant.


This is not the case of the camel-extra project. Apache Camel is an 
integration framework. Its intent is to simplify integration by 
providing a common API and bridging glue components for a large number 
of protocols and data formats. The specific protocol implementations 
however come from 3rd party libraries. For most of the technologies of 
interest, Camel found/uses libraries with a compatible license. The 
camel-extra project was created to extend the reach of Apache Camel to 
technologies available under non-compatible licenses (e.g. xGPL). The 
project was started and controlled by Camel committers on google code 
and later moved to apache-extras (kinda the same thing). The camel-extra 
project was never governed as an ASF project from many points of view, 
including oversight, release process and IP management. The project had 
committers who are not ASF committers for instance. The Apache Camel 
committers have control over the project and are *active* in the 
government of the project *as individuals* (albeit not completely 
following the ASF guidelines). This is the difference.


There is a (valid) perception that the camel-extra is an extension of 
the Apache Camel project. That was fueled by the fact that some 
camel-extra components are documented on the ASF camel site. This thread 
was actually started by an enthusiastic request of a new Apache Camel 
committer on the premises that "it would be nice if" Apache Camel were a 
one stop shop for both projects/communities. I.e. why work in 2 places, 
2 sets of infrastructure, etc, when Apache Camel is already the 
established/recognized one. While it would be nice for users indeed, it 
is not compatible to the way the ASF operates. (To use your analogy, 
think more like the LibreOffice community operating from within the 
Apache OpenOffice community, using the same site and mailing lists).


FWIW, this was mentioned on the camel lists, but that was probably not 
considered enough. Christian, the Camel PMC chair, knowing full well the 
dynamics of the community, did the right thing and decided to forward 
the question/request to a more authoritative forum. In the meanwhile the 
Camel community got the message from all replies in this thread (I 
think) and the changes currently made to the camel-extra project reflect 
the differences between the two communities. However the thread lingers 
on on this list...


I hope this clarifies the current status a bit better.
Hadrian


On 09/28/2012 03:44 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Ross Gardler
 wrote:

On 28 September 2012 02:41, Rob Weir  wrote:

...


Specific example.  OpenOffice podling has signed up for a security
mailing list where we receive security-related bug reports from
LibreOffice, an open source project that is LGPL/MPL, not ALv2.  We do
this by subscribing our security list directly to theirs.  Is this
against policy?   This seems directly analogous to a project receiving
bug reports from a non ALv2 Apache Extras project.


This is completely different. LibreOffice is a separate project with a
separate infrastructure and community. The subscription of an ASF list
to a LibreOffice list is nothing more than a communication link
between two distinct entities. The proposal here is to not create a
separate project with a separate management structure but to simply
host incompatible code externally and manage it from within an ASF
PMC.



Exactly my point.  To the question put earlier:

  "whether mailing list connections and other conveniences would create
unacceptable confusion
about the distinction between 'things the PMC does' and 'things some
PMC members happen to do elsewhere.'"

IMHO, the mailing list connections are not the issue.  The issue is
the relationship between the Apache Extras project and the Apache
projects.  If the relationship is improper, from a control and
dependency perspective, then that is the problem.  The mailing list
use connection does not create the problem.  And I suspect that
avoiding the mailing list connections would change nothing fundamental
if there were a control and dependency issue.

Regards,

-Rob


Ross

--
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Op

Re: [PROPOSAL] Project: Magnet [was: Suggestion for getting contributors]

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

I am not that concerned about the burden of community building in the 
long run. In the short run, I assume that's the fastest and easiest way 
to get results. A few committers expressed interest already so I assume 
I won't be the only one contributing to it. We could be up and running, 
online in a couple of weeks, depending on available time.


In labs@ we also have a bit more freedom to experiment ideas and I 
suspect some general purpose artifacts will come out of this project and 
we'll end up in the incubator at some point.


I removed members@ and labs@ on purpose from the cc list. I guess this 
tread will go in different ways from here on and I'd prefer to not spam 
everybody.


Thanks,
Hadrian


On 11/21/2011 04:07 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:

On 21 November 2011 20:56, Hadrian Zbarcea  wrote:

I hope the labs will accept this proposal and I assume that:
* on labs@ we'll continue the technical discussions
* on comdev@ we'll continue with more ideas/suggestions/requirements
* members@ will be aware of the effort.


+1

If momentum were to happen to grow then I'm sure ComDev (via
Incubator) will be happy to give it a home. However, I assume you are
proposing it here so as not to take on the burden of community
building. In which case, no problem.

Ross


--
Hadrian Zbarcea
Principal Software Architect
Talend, Inc
http://coders.talend.com/
http://camelbot.blogspot.com/

[PROPOSAL] Project: Magnet [was: Suggestion for getting contributors]

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

Sorry for the cross-posting (just this one time).

I propose to build this project in the labs with the proposed name 
'magnet' (doap attached). Suggestions for a better name highly appreciated.


Most of what's needed I will take from the Memories app I presented 
@apachecon. Only 2 things are missing, the posting to twitter part (my 
app only used searches, but not a biggie) and to modify the UI. I can 
have a working alpha in about a week.


I hope the labs will accept this proposal and I assume that:
* on labs@ we'll continue the technical discussions
* on comdev@ we'll continue with more ideas/suggestions/requirements
* members@ will be aware of the effort.

Cheers,
Hadrian



On 11/15/2011 07:41 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:

Moved it with subject [1] and added my opinion as well

[1] - [CONTD]- Suggestion for getting contributors'

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Brett Porter mailto:br...@apache.org>> wrote:

Seems like there are now a few people interested in taking it
forward. Maybe time to take the thread over to the comdev lists now?

    On 15/11/2011, at 5:28 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

 > @Bertrand, agree. You have to have an account to post anyway.
This can be decided/agreed upon later. Who/how has access to the
credentials as well.
 >
 > Hadrian
 >
 >
 > On 11/15/2011 04:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
 >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Hadrian
Zbarceamailto:hzbar...@gmail.com>>  wrote:
 >>> ...I volunteer to implement the code and even maintain it in
production if I
 >>> could get a box to run it (doesn't necessarily need to be
dedicated).
 >>>
 >>> If we could decide on the hashtag (heck I can use a random one
for now) we
 >>> could have a web service (or something) where committers could
post the jira
 >>> id and the service would post it to twitter until the jira gets
closed or
 >>> unregistered. Fairly easy and not a lot of code needed
 >>
 >> If you're doing this I think it's better for those tweets to be
posted
 >> from a specific account, @apachehelp or something.
 >>
 >> In this way people can just follow that account, which is easier IMO
 >> than "following" hashtags.
 >>
 >> -Bertrand

--
Brett Porter
br...@apache.org <mailto:br...@apache.org>
http://brettporter.wordpress.com/




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Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
   Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User Guide)
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
- Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein

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professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less than
your best."
- Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship

"Stay hungry, stay foolish."
- Steve Jobs


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Principal Software Architect
Talend, Inc
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