Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
Ok On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 9:53 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > On Dec 8, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > > On 2022/12/08 20:30:02 Christian Grobmeier wrote: > >> ... > >> Bu t I mentioned, I get your point. Would you be less concerned with a > domain like asf.social, since this is not an official domain? Assuming > asf.social would be only for ASF community, but also allow "offical" > accounts like press@asf.social? > > > > By definition, asf.social is an official domain. ... If it is not, then > it is a trademark violation. One might argue the violation (good luck), but > isn't the GOAL to have an official domain to establish a trust level? > > > > Trademarks, but more specifically Branding: has stated that the ASF will > not "grow" new domains, and that apache.org should be used. Simply to use > "asf.social" would require a clear exception grant from Branding. > > > > Next: each hostname/service under apache.org must be owned by an > Officer of the Foundation. It was unclear for many years for many years who > owned www.apache.org and the annou...@apache.org mailing list. The > Foundation decided that is our public face, our public messaging, and > should (thus) be owned by the VP Marketing & Publicity. M&P also owns our > Twitter account and YouTube channel. By similar reasoning, M&P would own > how an official hostname used for Mastodon would be portrayed to the > general public; especially if it would become official messaging channel(s) > for the Foundation. > > > > Note: individual TLPs create their own accounts on third party services, > such as Twitter and Facebook, without consultation with M&P. That is a bit > different from constructing an official [Mastodon] namespace for the > Foundation. Who owns *that* namespace? (IMO: M&P) > > > > Should such an official hostname be desired, an Officer Owner will be > required. That is likely best discussed internally, but ENOCARE, really. > > I agree with Greg’s statement above because that’s how it works. > > Best, > Dave > > > > > Cheers, > > -g > > > > ps. not speaking for Infra; just explaining how ownership of > host/service $foo works at the ASF > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
> On Dec 8, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > On 2022/12/08 20:30:02 Christian Grobmeier wrote: >> ... >> Bu t I mentioned, I get your point. Would you be less concerned with a >> domain like asf.social, since this is not an official domain? Assuming >> asf.social would be only for ASF community, but also allow "offical" >> accounts like press@asf.social? > > By definition, asf.social is an official domain. ... If it is not, then it is > a trademark violation. One might argue the violation (good luck), but isn't > the GOAL to have an official domain to establish a trust level? > > Trademarks, but more specifically Branding: has stated that the ASF will not > "grow" new domains, and that apache.org should be used. Simply to use > "asf.social" would require a clear exception grant from Branding. > > Next: each hostname/service under apache.org must be owned by an Officer of > the Foundation. It was unclear for many years for many years who owned > www.apache.org and the annou...@apache.org mailing list. The Foundation > decided that is our public face, our public messaging, and should (thus) be > owned by the VP Marketing & Publicity. M&P also owns our Twitter account and > YouTube channel. By similar reasoning, M&P would own how an official hostname > used for Mastodon would be portrayed to the general public; especially if it > would become official messaging channel(s) for the Foundation. > > Note: individual TLPs create their own accounts on third party services, such > as Twitter and Facebook, without consultation with M&P. That is a bit > different from constructing an official [Mastodon] namespace for the > Foundation. Who owns *that* namespace? (IMO: M&P) > > Should such an official hostname be desired, an Officer Owner will be > required. That is likely best discussed internally, but ENOCARE, really. I agree with Greg’s statement above because that’s how it works. Best, Dave > > Cheers, > -g > > ps. not speaking for Infra; just explaining how ownership of host/service > $foo works at the ASF > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
On 2022/12/08 20:30:02 Christian Grobmeier wrote: >... > Bu t I mentioned, I get your point. Would you be less concerned with a domain > like asf.social, since this is not an official domain? Assuming asf.social > would be only for ASF community, but also allow "offical" accounts like > press@asf.social? By definition, asf.social is an official domain. ... If it is not, then it is a trademark violation. One might argue the violation (good luck), but isn't the GOAL to have an official domain to establish a trust level? Trademarks, but more specifically Branding: has stated that the ASF will not "grow" new domains, and that apache.org should be used. Simply to use "asf.social" would require a clear exception grant from Branding. Next: each hostname/service under apache.org must be owned by an Officer of the Foundation. It was unclear for many years for many years who owned www.apache.org and the annou...@apache.org mailing list. The Foundation decided that is our public face, our public messaging, and should (thus) be owned by the VP Marketing & Publicity. M&P also owns our Twitter account and YouTube channel. By similar reasoning, M&P would own how an official hostname used for Mastodon would be portrayed to the general public; especially if it would become official messaging channel(s) for the Foundation. Note: individual TLPs create their own accounts on third party services, such as Twitter and Facebook, without consultation with M&P. That is a bit different from constructing an official [Mastodon] namespace for the Foundation. Who owns *that* namespace? (IMO: M&P) Should such an official hostname be desired, an Officer Owner will be required. That is likely best discussed internally, but ENOCARE, really. Cheers, -g ps. not speaking for Infra; just explaining how ownership of host/service $foo works at the ASF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
Hi Joe, I fully understood your point. Let me ask one question here. If we are concerned about how we would appear in public, because of one committer would say something using their Mastodon: Aren't we saying "PR over community, community over code?" Community is also because we have opposite opinions, or sometimes opinions which are different from the ASF. It needs to be like this, otherwise we don't have any development. Bu t I mentioned, I get your point. Would you be less concerned with a domain like asf.social, since this is not an official domain? Assuming asf.social would be only for ASF community, but also allow "offical" accounts like press@asf.social? Or is it the same problem in your opinion? Kind regards, Christian On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, at 19:53, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > There's a very large difference between email and a Mastodon account. > There's an implicit expectation of moderation around Mastodon > instances and major differences how people use and consume a > microblogging service vs. email. > > I often tell people that "everything you say publicly is PR" and > that's true. If you say something on a public mailing list, it's fair > game for press, etc. > > *But* email doesn't have the same level of public exposure and > resharing that microblogs like Mastodon do. Yes, you can forward an > email, but there's not a one-click easy button for someone with 10K > followers to expose that to a much larger audience the way there is > with Mastodon or Twitter. > > *But* with Twitter, unless an account is marked "official" it's > separate from your organization's identity. (More or less.) If > @u...@apache.org decides to "toot" something, and it spreads, it's > (potentially) seen as coming from this community and not merely the > user. > > For that reason, I'd strongly prefer limiting any official or > semi-official ASF instance to projects or roles and not handing out > accounts for individuals to use as their social media presence in the > "fediverse." > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:25 PM Owen O'Malley wrote: >> >> I disagree. I think having an individual identity at Apache is important. >> Just because I have omalley@X doesn't mean that it is the same as >> omal...@apache.org. Having a gmail address does not mean that I don't use >> omal...@apache.org. >> >> .. Owen >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:25 PM Joe Brockmeier wrote: >> >> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 7:33 AM Sam Ruby wrote: >> > > >> > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:50 AM Bertrand Delacretaz >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > Sam Ruby wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to >> > > > > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF >> > > > > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... >> > > > >> > > > Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? >> > > > >> > > > Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? >> > > > >> > > > If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. >> > > > >> > > > Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and >> > > > foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly >> > > > to operate from a moderation point of view. >> > > >> > > I don't want this to be me driving the social requirements. I want >> > > comdev and/or M&P (and ideally both) coming to an agreement on what is >> > > best. >> > > >> > > I'm merely offering to make the technical and hosting parts happen. >> > > >> > > I'm OK with experiments (let's try this... no that didn't work, how >> > > about that). Preferably ones with clear exit criteria (example: >> > > moderators don't show up and the instance gets shut down). >> > >> > From an M&P perspective I'd strongly prefer official handles like >> > announce, infra, cloudstack, president, etc. and *not* jzb, rubys, and >> > so forth. >> > >> > People are still figuring out the world of ActivityPub/Fediverse, etc. >> > but I the moderation and policy problems become exponentially more >> > difficult if we're providing a platform for individual voices vs. >> > simply providing a platform for "if you want to follow the official >> > social channel of CloudStack on ActivityPub, this is how you know it's >> > real and can feel confident in following it" + "here's an easy way to >> > find all the ASF projects on a social platform." >> > >> > Anybody who wants a presence on the fediverse as themselves can find >> > one easily enough - it's not necessary for us to provide that service >> > to members the same way it's necessary/desirable to provide email >> > addresses. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > jzb >> > -- >> > Joe Brockmeier >> > Vice President Marketing & Publicity >> > j...@apache.org >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> > >> > > > > > -- > Joe Brock
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
There's a very large difference between email and a Mastodon account. There's an implicit expectation of moderation around Mastodon instances and major differences how people use and consume a microblogging service vs. email. I often tell people that "everything you say publicly is PR" and that's true. If you say something on a public mailing list, it's fair game for press, etc. *But* email doesn't have the same level of public exposure and resharing that microblogs like Mastodon do. Yes, you can forward an email, but there's not a one-click easy button for someone with 10K followers to expose that to a much larger audience the way there is with Mastodon or Twitter. *But* with Twitter, unless an account is marked "official" it's separate from your organization's identity. (More or less.) If @u...@apache.org decides to "toot" something, and it spreads, it's (potentially) seen as coming from this community and not merely the user. For that reason, I'd strongly prefer limiting any official or semi-official ASF instance to projects or roles and not handing out accounts for individuals to use as their social media presence in the "fediverse." On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:25 PM Owen O'Malley wrote: > > I disagree. I think having an individual identity at Apache is important. > Just because I have omalley@X doesn't mean that it is the same as > omal...@apache.org. Having a gmail address does not mean that I don't use > omal...@apache.org. > > .. Owen > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:25 PM Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 7:33 AM Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:50 AM Bertrand Delacretaz > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to > > > > > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF > > > > > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... > > > > > > > > Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? > > > > > > > > Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? > > > > > > > > If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. > > > > > > > > Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and > > > > foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly > > > > to operate from a moderation point of view. > > > > > > I don't want this to be me driving the social requirements. I want > > > comdev and/or M&P (and ideally both) coming to an agreement on what is > > > best. > > > > > > I'm merely offering to make the technical and hosting parts happen. > > > > > > I'm OK with experiments (let's try this... no that didn't work, how > > > about that). Preferably ones with clear exit criteria (example: > > > moderators don't show up and the instance gets shut down). > > > > From an M&P perspective I'd strongly prefer official handles like > > announce, infra, cloudstack, president, etc. and *not* jzb, rubys, and > > so forth. > > > > People are still figuring out the world of ActivityPub/Fediverse, etc. > > but I the moderation and policy problems become exponentially more > > difficult if we're providing a platform for individual voices vs. > > simply providing a platform for "if you want to follow the official > > social channel of CloudStack on ActivityPub, this is how you know it's > > real and can feel confident in following it" + "here's an easy way to > > find all the ASF projects on a social platform." > > > > Anybody who wants a presence on the fediverse as themselves can find > > one easily enough - it's not necessary for us to provide that service > > to members the same way it's necessary/desirable to provide email > > addresses. > > > > Best, > > > > jzb > > -- > > Joe Brockmeier > > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > > j...@apache.org > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > -- Joe Brockmeier Vice President Marketing & Publicity j...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
I like my j...@apache.org<mailto:j...@apache.org> email to ! 😊 From: Owen O'Malley Date: Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:25 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance I disagree. I think having an individual identity at Apache is important. Just because I have omalley@X doesn't mean that it is the same as omal...@apache.org. Having a gmail address does not mean that I don't use omal...@apache.org. .. Owen On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:25 PM Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 7:33 AM Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:50 AM Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > > > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to > > > > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF > > > > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... > > > > > > Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? > > > > > > Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? > > > > > > If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. > > > > > > Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and > > > foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly > > > to operate from a moderation point of view. > > > > I don't want this to be me driving the social requirements. I want > > comdev and/or M&P (and ideally both) coming to an agreement on what is > > best. > > > > I'm merely offering to make the technical and hosting parts happen. > > > > I'm OK with experiments (let's try this... no that didn't work, how > > about that). Preferably ones with clear exit criteria (example: > > moderators don't show up and the instance gets shut down). > > From an M&P perspective I'd strongly prefer official handles like > announce, infra, cloudstack, president, etc. and *not* jzb, rubys, and > so forth. > > People are still figuring out the world of ActivityPub/Fediverse, etc. > but I the moderation and policy problems become exponentially more > difficult if we're providing a platform for individual voices vs. > simply providing a platform for "if you want to follow the official > social channel of CloudStack on ActivityPub, this is how you know it's > real and can feel confident in following it" + "here's an easy way to > find all the ASF projects on a social platform." > > Anybody who wants a presence on the fediverse as themselves can find > one easily enough - it's not necessary for us to provide that service > to members the same way it's necessary/desirable to provide email > addresses. > > Best, > > jzb > -- > Joe Brockmeier > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > j...@apache.org > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
I disagree. I think having an individual identity at Apache is important. Just because I have omalley@X doesn't mean that it is the same as omal...@apache.org. Having a gmail address does not mean that I don't use omal...@apache.org. .. Owen On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:25 PM Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 7:33 AM Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:50 AM Bertrand Delacretaz > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > > > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to > > > > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF > > > > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... > > > > > > Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? > > > > > > Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? > > > > > > If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. > > > > > > Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and > > > foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly > > > to operate from a moderation point of view. > > > > I don't want this to be me driving the social requirements. I want > > comdev and/or M&P (and ideally both) coming to an agreement on what is > > best. > > > > I'm merely offering to make the technical and hosting parts happen. > > > > I'm OK with experiments (let's try this... no that didn't work, how > > about that). Preferably ones with clear exit criteria (example: > > moderators don't show up and the instance gets shut down). > > From an M&P perspective I'd strongly prefer official handles like > announce, infra, cloudstack, president, etc. and *not* jzb, rubys, and > so forth. > > People are still figuring out the world of ActivityPub/Fediverse, etc. > but I the moderation and policy problems become exponentially more > difficult if we're providing a platform for individual voices vs. > simply providing a platform for "if you want to follow the official > social channel of CloudStack on ActivityPub, this is how you know it's > real and can feel confident in following it" + "here's an easy way to > find all the ASF projects on a social platform." > > Anybody who wants a presence on the fediverse as themselves can find > one easily enough - it's not necessary for us to provide that service > to members the same way it's necessary/desirable to provide email > addresses. > > Best, > > jzb > -- > Joe Brockmeier > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > j...@apache.org > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 7:33 AM Sam Ruby wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:50 AM Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to > > > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF > > > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... > > > > Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? > > > > Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? > > > > If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. > > > > Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and > > foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly > > to operate from a moderation point of view. > > I don't want this to be me driving the social requirements. I want > comdev and/or M&P (and ideally both) coming to an agreement on what is > best. > > I'm merely offering to make the technical and hosting parts happen. > > I'm OK with experiments (let's try this... no that didn't work, how > about that). Preferably ones with clear exit criteria (example: > moderators don't show up and the instance gets shut down). >From an M&P perspective I'd strongly prefer official handles like announce, infra, cloudstack, president, etc. and *not* jzb, rubys, and so forth. People are still figuring out the world of ActivityPub/Fediverse, etc. but I the moderation and policy problems become exponentially more difficult if we're providing a platform for individual voices vs. simply providing a platform for "if you want to follow the official social channel of CloudStack on ActivityPub, this is how you know it's real and can feel confident in following it" + "here's an easy way to find all the ASF projects on a social platform." Anybody who wants a presence on the fediverse as themselves can find one easily enough - it's not necessary for us to provide that service to members the same way it's necessary/desirable to provide email addresses. Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier Vice President Marketing & Publicity j...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:50 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > Hi, > > Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to > > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF > > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... > > Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? > > Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? > > If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. > > Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and > foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly > to operate from a moderation point of view. I don't want this to be me driving the social requirements. I want comdev and/or M&P (and ideally both) coming to an agreement on what is best. I'm merely offering to make the technical and hosting parts happen. I'm OK with experiments (let's try this... no that didn't work, how about that). Preferably ones with clear exit criteria (example: moderators don't show up and the instance gets shut down). > -Bertrand > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, at 10:49, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > Sam Ruby wrote: >> >> TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to >> administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF >> Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... > > Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? > > Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? > > If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. I was thinking the same. If the latter, I can also try to help with moderation. Never did that before, but I can give it a go. Also, I can help with crafting privacy policy. I just checked, there is the domain asf.social which costs 45€ a year. Could be nice to have that. Kind regards, Christian > > Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and > foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly > to operate from a moderation point of view. > > -Bertrand > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
Hi, Sam Ruby wrote: > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io... Do you mean to open this to everybody who has an @apache.org account? Or just for a few official handles like announce@, TheASF@ ? If the latter, the moderation work might be much lower. Or maybe setting up *two* services makes sense, people.s.a.o and foundation.s.a.o, with the latter being more critical but less costly to operate from a moderation point of view. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
I will help with community management, software administration, however else I can assist I’m open to. Steve Blackmon, PMC Chair Apache Streams On Dec 1, 2022, 8:51 PM -0600, Matt Sicker , wrote: > I could help with modding as long as I’m not the only one :) > > — > Matt Sicker > > > On Dec 1, 2022, at 08:13, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to > > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF > > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io. > > > > - - - > > > > Technical background: > > > > While Mastodon is the most common and known implementation, there are > > plenty of others at various stages of development. Most with > > instructions that can be followed in an afternoon to set up an > > instance. Costs to run an instance vary, but I am seeing many reports > > that people are finding that they can host their own server on a free > > tier at various cloud service providers. > > > > I'm willing to volunteer for all of the above. These days I work for > > ly.io, and can host it for free. I'm not asking for anything in > > return - while I don't think it would be a good idea to make it a > > secret where the instance is hosted, no official recognition is > > required. > > > > I'll work with the infrastructure team so that an > > .apache.org name will be the way to access it, and to > > ensure that I am not the only one with access to the VM. > > > > My default assumption is mastodon is the software to be used, but I > > can be convinced to install another service instead. > > > > Now let's examine the worst case scenario: this service is wildly > > successful (a good problem to have) and I get hit by a bus, and the > > ASF infra team doesn't want to touch this service. My best guess is > > that this would cost hundreds of US dollars per year and need > > volunteers to run it. the former could be routinely handled as a part > > of the ASF budget process (presumably either M&P or Comdev), and I'm > > optimistic that we can find plenty of volunteers here. > > > > --- > > > > Moderation background: > > > > I have no experience in this, but from postings I see people hosting > > mastodon images moderation can be time consuming. I am NOT signing up > > for this part, hence I'm making a call for volunteers. Apparently the > > internet is full of trolls, and not moderating your instance can get > > the entire instance banned by other instances. > > > > For now, I chose to participate at https://ruby.social/@samruby ; you > > can find more information about that instance here: > > https://ruby.social/about . We will need a code of conduct, a privacy > > policy, server rules etc. Note the list of moderated servers at the > > end, it is likely that we will end up with our own list, and this list > > will accrue over time based on posts that don't match our > > expectations, and thus will require moderators. > > > > --- > > > > I don't have a time schedule in mind, but if there are volunteers this > > could all come together in a matter of days, and certainly could be up > > and running this month, and probably early this month. > > > > - Sam Ruby > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >
Re: [Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
I could help with modding as long as I’m not the only one :) — Matt Sicker > On Dec 1, 2022, at 08:13, Sam Ruby wrote: > > TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to > administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF > Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io. > > - - - > > Technical background: > > While Mastodon is the most common and known implementation, there are > plenty of others at various stages of development. Most with > instructions that can be followed in an afternoon to set up an > instance. Costs to run an instance vary, but I am seeing many reports > that people are finding that they can host their own server on a free > tier at various cloud service providers. > > I'm willing to volunteer for all of the above. These days I work for > ly.io, and can host it for free. I'm not asking for anything in > return - while I don't think it would be a good idea to make it a > secret where the instance is hosted, no official recognition is > required. > > I'll work with the infrastructure team so that an > .apache.org name will be the way to access it, and to > ensure that I am not the only one with access to the VM. > > My default assumption is mastodon is the software to be used, but I > can be convinced to install another service instead. > > Now let's examine the worst case scenario: this service is wildly > successful (a good problem to have) and I get hit by a bus, and the > ASF infra team doesn't want to touch this service. My best guess is > that this would cost hundreds of US dollars per year and need > volunteers to run it. the former could be routinely handled as a part > of the ASF budget process (presumably either M&P or Comdev), and I'm > optimistic that we can find plenty of volunteers here. > > --- > > Moderation background: > > I have no experience in this, but from postings I see people hosting > mastodon images moderation can be time consuming. I am NOT signing up > for this part, hence I'm making a call for volunteers. Apparently the > internet is full of trolls, and not moderating your instance can get > the entire instance banned by other instances. > > For now, I chose to participate at https://ruby.social/@samruby ; you > can find more information about that instance here: > https://ruby.social/about . We will need a code of conduct, a privacy > policy, server rules etc. Note the list of moderated servers at the > end, it is likely that we will end up with our own list, and this list > will accrue over time based on posts that don't match our > expectations, and thus will require moderators. > > --- > > I don't have a time schedule in mind, but if there are volunteers this > could all come together in a matter of days, and certainly could be up > and running this month, and probably early this month. > > - Sam Ruby > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
[Proposal] ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance
TL;DR: given a set of moderation guidelines and volunteers to administer them, I'm willing to set up and host an ASF Fediverse/ActivityPub instance on fly.io. - - - Technical background: While Mastodon is the most common and known implementation, there are plenty of others at various stages of development. Most with instructions that can be followed in an afternoon to set up an instance. Costs to run an instance vary, but I am seeing many reports that people are finding that they can host their own server on a free tier at various cloud service providers. I'm willing to volunteer for all of the above. These days I work for ly.io, and can host it for free. I'm not asking for anything in return - while I don't think it would be a good idea to make it a secret where the instance is hosted, no official recognition is required. I'll work with the infrastructure team so that an .apache.org name will be the way to access it, and to ensure that I am not the only one with access to the VM. My default assumption is mastodon is the software to be used, but I can be convinced to install another service instead. Now let's examine the worst case scenario: this service is wildly successful (a good problem to have) and I get hit by a bus, and the ASF infra team doesn't want to touch this service. My best guess is that this would cost hundreds of US dollars per year and need volunteers to run it. the former could be routinely handled as a part of the ASF budget process (presumably either M&P or Comdev), and I'm optimistic that we can find plenty of volunteers here. --- Moderation background: I have no experience in this, but from postings I see people hosting mastodon images moderation can be time consuming. I am NOT signing up for this part, hence I'm making a call for volunteers. Apparently the internet is full of trolls, and not moderating your instance can get the entire instance banned by other instances. For now, I chose to participate at https://ruby.social/@samruby ; you can find more information about that instance here: https://ruby.social/about . We will need a code of conduct, a privacy policy, server rules etc. Note the list of moderated servers at the end, it is likely that we will end up with our own list, and this list will accrue over time based on posts that don't match our expectations, and thus will require moderators. --- I don't have a time schedule in mind, but if there are volunteers this could all come together in a matter of days, and certainly could be up and running this month, and probably early this month. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
