Re: Signing contracts?
On 8/1/2017 2:04 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > Silly auto correct comedy == comdev :-) > I'd like to nominate Justin Mclean as VP Comedy. He's done some amazing recent work in bringing smiles to our faces. :) Issac - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
Ted Dunning wrote on 8/1/17 6:39 PM: > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 3:34 PM, sebb wrote: > >> ... >>> Let me just point out that the reason that you are a VP is *exactly* to >> be >>> signing for the ASF. >>> >>> Every time you as a PMC chair sign off on a release, you are signing for >>> the entire ASF. >>> >>> It is a *big* deal. >> >> Huh? >> >> I thought the PMC was collectively responsible for voting on a release. >> As I understood it, the chair has a simple binding vote like all the >> rest of the PMC. >> >> I have never known a chair to perform a special sign-off on a release. >> > > I don't think that a special sign-off is required, but the authority of the > chair is required. Documentation reference, please? More to the point, all the discussions I've seen about releases are that the Release Manager, as appointed (however) by the PMC, is the specific human that's actually making and publishing the release - at the direction of the PMC, who has held a [VOTE] blah blah to formally bless it *as the PMC*, which makes it an act of the Foundation. Formal "Release Policy": https://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html Release Creation Process - steps to take: https://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html Release Distribution Policy - how it physically gets published: https://www.apache.org/dev/release-distribution.html Huh. No wonder people get confused - the intros to each of these three documents (and some other obvious search hits about releases) could stand an edit for clarity and big picture pointers. 8-) -- - Shane https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
On 1 August 2017 at 23:39, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 3:34 PM, sebb wrote: > >> ... >> > Let me just point out that the reason that you are a VP is *exactly* to >> be >> > signing for the ASF. >> > >> > Every time you as a PMC chair sign off on a release, you are signing for >> > the entire ASF. >> > >> > It is a *big* deal. >> >> Huh? >> >> I thought the PMC was collectively responsible for voting on a release. >> As I understood it, the chair has a simple binding vote like all the >> rest of the PMC. >> >> I have never known a chair to perform a special sign-off on a release. >> > > I don't think that a special sign-off is required, but the authority of the > chair is required. Huh? AFAIK the chair has no special role in releases. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 3:34 PM, sebb wrote: > >> ... >> > Let me just point out that the reason that you are a VP is *exactly* to >> be >> > signing for the ASF. >> > >> > Every time you as a PMC chair sign off on a release, you are signing for >> > the entire ASF. >> > >> > It is a *big* deal. >> >> Huh? >> >> I thought the PMC was collectively responsible for voting on a release. >> As I understood it, the chair has a simple binding vote like all the >> rest of the PMC. >> >> I have never known a chair to perform a special sign-off on a release. >> > > I don't think that a special sign-off is required, but the authority of the > chair is required. FWIW: this contradicts my understanding of the "Apache Way" governance model as well. The only way I can interpret it is that from a ASF corporate perspective a chair may have additional liabilities being a recognized officer of the corporation. Is this what you have in mind? Thanks, Roman. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 3:34 PM, sebb wrote: > ... > > Let me just point out that the reason that you are a VP is *exactly* to > be > > signing for the ASF. > > > > Every time you as a PMC chair sign off on a release, you are signing for > > the entire ASF. > > > > It is a *big* deal. > > Huh? > > I thought the PMC was collectively responsible for voting on a release. > As I understood it, the chair has a simple binding vote like all the > rest of the PMC. > > I have never known a chair to perform a special sign-off on a release. > I don't think that a special sign-off is required, but the authority of the chair is required.
Re: Signing contracts?
On 1 August 2017 at 23:20, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Myrle Krantz wrote: > >> > Depending on what the contract binds the ASF to, I'd expect either VP, >> > Conferences or VP, ComDev to sign. >> >> Thank you for the details Shane. >> >> In addition to the legal/technical aspects, I don't really feel I have >> a *moral* right to sign anything for the ASF. Christofer -- please >> don't send this to me. >> > > > Let me just point out that the reason that you are a VP is *exactly* to be > signing for the ASF. > > Every time you as a PMC chair sign off on a release, you are signing for > the entire ASF. > > It is a *big* deal. Huh? I thought the PMC was collectively responsible for voting on a release. As I understood it, the chair has a simple binding vote like all the rest of the PMC. I have never known a chair to perform a special sign-off on a release. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
If you want to get hyper-official, I'd say either VP ComDev (Uli) or VP Conferences (myself). However, I'd think that any VP Apache Project could sign in most circumstances. On 07/31/2017 05:33 PM, Christofer Dutz wrote: > Hi, > > the solutions hamburg guys are finishing up the details for the conference. > Now they wanted to know the number of free tickets we would need, so they can > add that to the contract … > The last word got me thinking. Who would be signing this type of contract? I > know that I am definitely not allowed to sign stuff on behalf of the ASF. > > Chris > -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Signing contracts?
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Myrle Krantz wrote: > > Depending on what the contract binds the ASF to, I'd expect either VP, > > Conferences or VP, ComDev to sign. > > Thank you for the details Shane. > > In addition to the legal/technical aspects, I don't really feel I have > a *moral* right to sign anything for the ASF. Christofer -- please > don't send this to me. > Let me just point out that the reason that you are a VP is *exactly* to be signing for the ASF. Every time you as a PMC chair sign off on a release, you are signing for the entire ASF. It is a *big* deal.
Re: Signing contracts?
> Depending on what the contract binds the ASF to, I'd expect either VP, > Conferences or VP, ComDev to sign. Thank you for the details Shane. In addition to the legal/technical aspects, I don't really feel I have a *moral* right to sign anything for the ASF. Christofer -- please don't send this to me. Best Regards, Myrle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
Myrle Krantz wrote on 8/1/17 11:27 AM: >> VPs are officers of the foundation. They are able to sign contracts on >> behalf of the ASF. >> >> That said, if I was the VP, I'd want to get any such contract reviewed >> before signing it. The legal affairs committee [1] can help with that. > > Does that mean that I can sign contracts on behalf of the ASF? That's > surprising. I'm so glad we have legal affairs. You are a Vice President of the corporation, much like VPs in other corporations, so organizations outside the ASF probably will recognize officers here just like officers elsewhere in the world and might accept your signature. That doesn't mean it's (usually) a good idea from the ASF's point of view! Technically, officers would only have authority to sign contracts within their assigned duties, generally from the board resolution appointing them. So it's a pretty rare situation when a PMC VP should be legally signing on behalf of their project and the ASF. In any case, yes, ask legal for review first. There certainly are cases where this makes sense, but *any* cases where it changes how our IP is licensed in any way whatsover, or when there are *any* financial risks or obligations for the ASF, you really need explicit legal and/or board approval. Depending on what the contract binds the ASF to, I'd expect either VP, Conferences or VP, ComDev to sign. -- - Shane https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
Hi, So as soon as I get anything, I'll forward that to you and legal? Chris Von meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Myrle Krantz Datum: 01.08.17 17:27 (GMT+01:00) An: dev@community.apache.org Betreff: Re: Signing contracts? > VPs are officers of the foundation. They are able to sign contracts on > behalf of the ASF. > > That said, if I was the VP, I'd want to get any such contract reviewed > before signing it. The legal affairs committee [1] can help with that. Does that mean that I can sign contracts on behalf of the ASF? That's surprising. I'm so glad we have legal affairs. Regards, Myrle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
> VPs are officers of the foundation. They are able to sign contracts on > behalf of the ASF. > > That said, if I was the VP, I'd want to get any such contract reviewed > before signing it. The legal affairs committee [1] can help with that. Does that mean that I can sign contracts on behalf of the ASF? That's surprising. I'm so glad we have legal affairs. Regards, Myrle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
On 01/08/17 07:39, Christofer Dutz wrote: > Hehe, but a good one :-) +1. It was nice to start the day with a smile. > Is the vp of a project allowed to sign contacts on behalf of the ASF? Or does > the comdev project have a different status than other projects? VPs are officers of the foundation. They are able to sign contracts on behalf of the ASF. That said, if I was the VP, I'd want to get any such contract reviewed before signing it. The legal affairs committee [1] can help with that. Cheers, Mark [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/ > > Chris > > > > Von meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet. > > > Ursprüngliche Nachricht > Von: Justin Mclean > Datum: 01.08.17 01:04 (GMT+01:00) > An: dev@community.apache.org > Betreff: Re: Signing contracts? > > HI, > > Silly auto correct comedy == comdev :-) > > Justin > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
Hehe, but a good one :-) Is the vp of a project allowed to sign contacts on behalf of the ASF? Or does the comdev project have a different status than other projects? Chris Von meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Justin Mclean Datum: 01.08.17 01:04 (GMT+01:00) An: dev@community.apache.org Betreff: Re: Signing contracts? HI, Silly auto correct comedy == comdev :-) Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
Most excellent auto-correct of the day. On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > Silly auto correct comedy == comdev :-) > > Justin > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: Signing contracts?
HI, Silly auto correct comedy == comdev :-) Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Signing contracts?
Hi, > The last word got me thinking. Who would be signing this type of contract? I > know that I am definitely not allowed to sign stuff on behalf of the ASF. Probably VP comedy? But if not I sure another VP can probably be found to sign it. Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Signing contracts?
Hi, the solutions hamburg guys are finishing up the details for the conference. Now they wanted to know the number of free tickets we would need, so they can add that to the contract … The last word got me thinking. Who would be signing this type of contract? I know that I am definitely not allowed to sign stuff on behalf of the ASF. Chris
