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Thanks for all of your hard work Rich. I'm sad I didn't get to work with you more! On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 1:16 PM Ryan Skraba wrote: > Just adding my thanks as well: your advice has been both comforting > and valuable as we've been working towards Community over Code Europe > 2024[1]. Please don't hesitate to continue lending your voice and > opinions! :D > > All my best, Ryan > > [1]: http://eu.communityovercode.org/ "Community over Code, Bratislava > June 3-5, 2024, CFP is open! BE THERE!" > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 4:18 PM Sharan Foga wrote: > > > > Huge thanks to you Rich for all the work you have done on Conferences > over the years. I know that sometimes it hasnt been as easy as you make it > seem - but you have always had a big smile, positive attitude and a > willingness to put on an amazing event :-) > > > > Thanks > > Sharan > > > > On 2023/11/08 12:03:38 Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > communication > > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as > it > > > has for many years. > > > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > which, > > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: VP Conferences changes
Just adding my thanks as well: your advice has been both comforting and valuable as we've been working towards Community over Code Europe 2024[1]. Please don't hesitate to continue lending your voice and opinions! :D All my best, Ryan [1]: http://eu.communityovercode.org/ "Community over Code, Bratislava June 3-5, 2024, CFP is open! BE THERE!" On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 4:18 PM Sharan Foga wrote: > > Huge thanks to you Rich for all the work you have done on Conferences over > the years. I know that sometimes it hasnt been as easy as you make it seem - > but you have always had a big smile, positive attitude and a willingness to > put on an amazing event :-) > > Thanks > Sharan > > On 2023/11/08 12:03:38 Rich Bowen wrote: > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it > > has for many years. > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, which, > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > Rich > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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> On Nov 9, 2023, at 5:46 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote on 11/8/23 9:45 AM: > ...snip... >> I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. > > No, it didn't merit a response, but here we are anyway! 8-) > > The response feels like it's from someone who fundamentally doesn't > understand ASF governance. In which case, they are speaking/questioning out of ignorance, and not maliciousness. So it's a good opportunity to educate them, as you have done. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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Huge thanks to you Rich for all the work you have done on Conferences over the years. I know that sometimes it hasnt been as easy as you make it seem - but you have always had a big smile, positive attitude and a willingness to put on an amazing event :-) Thanks Sharan On 2023/11/08 12:03:38 Rich Bowen wrote: > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it > has for many years. > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, which, > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > Rich > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote on 11/8/23 9:45 AM: ...snip... I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. No, it didn't merit a response, but here we are anyway! 8-) The response feels like it's from someone who fundamentally doesn't understand ASF governance. The change of running ApacheCon is merely moving from Rich (Mr. ApacheCon himself; there are not enough words for us all to thank him for his conference services) to Brian and some related folks, likely including Ruth. As you noted, Brian and Ruth have effectively already been running the past couple of conferences, so I don't expect any changes - other than seeing Rich being relaxed at an event someday! In terms of content at our main event, I don't expect any other changes. The mere words "Marketing and Publicity" in Brian's title doesn't change the fact he's already been co-running our conferences. -- - Shane Still not recovering past ComCom member The Apache Software Foundation P.S. Thanks Rich. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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Thanks Rich for all the spirit of the Community Over Code (AKA ApacheCon). Sharing my personal experiences, I am not sure how much you were the "Spirit" of the EU conference in Berlin, that was my first "ApacheCon" experience - but that is where I got the "Community" vibes. This is where (and because of what I experienced at the conference) I decided to dedicate a lot of my effort, time into getting involved with the ASF more. Simply because I saw why the people who were there - actually wanted to be in the same place. Not because the number of attendees, amount of money raised, number of sponsors or amount of sponsorships, quality of the food etc. These are absolutely necessary, But I think what was the most important "spirit" of the event and true passion of the organizers to build thriving communities of people who genuinely want to be together, grow and especially - bring new people in and feel them both welcome and creating the space for those new people to bring their own vision and be absolutely opened to help those people to realise their vision (like me in 2019). I have not been even PMC member yet in 2019, yet I was thrilled by organizers willing to add me to "pre-event" schedule (where I talked about how we are starting to build welcoming community in Apache Airflow - I remember the surprise that people actually showed up in big numbers - it's been a full house with people sitting on the stairs - a day before the actual conference and opening. That was mind-boggling - as a long time conference organizer, I've never seen anything like that. Also another experience from 2019 - when I found a place/company that helped us to organize "first time contributor's workshop", the organizers of the ApacheCon Berlin added information about the workshop and prominently displayed and announced it in all possible channels (no questions asked, no sponsoring or any other discussions involved - simply seeing the value in the community spirit, cooperation and building various communities - by partnership, cooperation, accepting ideas and leadership of others in running those and most importantly open mind). Thanks to that I had - together with a dear friend of mine who is also a committer - a full house again with some of the relations and contributors who are part of the communiity of our project till today. I read your word in other threads and planners about you not "running" the conference personally and passing it to those who actually "do" run it for a few years". But at least from my experience - and I think out of modesty - I believe you vastly underestimate the "spirit" of the event you personally created. At least from my past experience, logistics, organisation, etc. can be easily "bought". The spirit, willingness of cooperation, true passion for building communities and letting people grow around you is somethign that can never be "bought" for any sponsorship money and cannot be "marketed". I am - sadly and for personal reasons - not involved in organizing the EU event next year, but I hope the fantastic team of organizers that started it will have an opportunity to realise their vision and put the "spirit" in the conference next year. I am curious to see how it plays out without you as the VP conferencing and how your "spiirt" space will be filled. J. On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 11:42 PM Kanchana Welagedara wrote: > Dear Rich, > > With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri > Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you . > > Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound impact > on Apache community . Apache conferences have flourished and have become > not just events but vibrant gathering of like-minded individuals passionate > about Apache software . > Your commitment to fostering the an inclusive and environment has created > an atmosphere where participants are formed and knowledge is shared . > Thank you for outstanding services as the VP of conferences. > > Cheers, > Kanchana > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:18 AM Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Owen Rubel wrote: > > > > > > "So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of > > institutionalisation > > > or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- > > lets > > > just make sure together that these conferences are what we want." > > > > > > I kind of figured that was the point of speaking up; to let you know > how > > > vendor based conferences end up pushing out engineers. > > > > You are not “wrong”, but within the ASF ecosystem this large problem > > already exists with some of our projects having vendor run “Summits”. > It’s > > a different problem than who is managing Community over Code production. > > It’s a community health problem and an example of Foundation educational > > and governance improvements. > > > > How can ComDev help ASF PMCs improve on that existing, very complex, and > > thor
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On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 12:42 AM Kanchana Welagedara wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri > Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you . > > Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound impact > on Apache community . Apache conferences have flourished and have become > not just events but vibrant gathering of like-minded individuals passionate > about Apache software . > Your commitment to fostering the an inclusive and environment has created > an atmosphere where participants are formed and knowledge is shared . > Thank you for outstanding services as the VP of conferences. Huge +1 to the above! Rich has absolutely put a lot of heart and soul into the events over the years! Thanks, Roman. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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Dear Rich, With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you . Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound impact on Apache community . Apache conferences have flourished and have become not just events but vibrant gathering of like-minded individuals passionate about Apache software . Your commitment to fostering the an inclusive and environment has created an atmosphere where participants are formed and knowledge is shared . Thank you for outstanding services as the VP of conferences. Cheers, Kanchana On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:18 AM Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > On Nov 8, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Owen Rubel wrote: > > > > "So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of > institutionalisation > > or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- > lets > > just make sure together that these conferences are what we want." > > > > I kind of figured that was the point of speaking up; to let you know how > > vendor based conferences end up pushing out engineers. > > You are not “wrong”, but within the ASF ecosystem this large problem > already exists with some of our projects having vendor run “Summits”. It’s > a different problem than who is managing Community over Code production. > It’s a community health problem and an example of Foundation educational > and governance improvements. > > How can ComDev help ASF PMCs improve on that existing, very complex, and > thorny issue? > > Best, > Dave > > > > > Owen Rubel > > oru...@gmail.com > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 8:04 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik < > di...@webweaving.org> > > wrote: > > > >> On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:03, Rich Bowen wrote: > >> > >>> Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > >>> responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > >> communication > >>> around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as > it > >>> has for many years. > >> > >> Thanks for many years of undying service and making this event a > community > >> one ! > >>> > >>> It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > >> which, > >>> of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > >> > >> Amen to that. And as to those that worry about this marketing `takeover' > >> -- in the end of the day - the ASF, as a fully volunteer ran > organisation, > >> relies on us, as individuals, to strike that balance that makes these > >> conferences so attractive to us volunteers & our community. We, > volunteers > >> vote with our feet ! > >> > >> So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of > institutionalisation > >> or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- > lets > >> just make sure together that these conferences are what we want. > >> > >> :) > >> > >> Dw. > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >> > >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
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> On Nov 8, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Owen Rubel wrote: > > "So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation > or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets > just make sure together that these conferences are what we want." > > I kind of figured that was the point of speaking up; to let you know how > vendor based conferences end up pushing out engineers. You are not “wrong”, but within the ASF ecosystem this large problem already exists with some of our projects having vendor run “Summits”. It’s a different problem than who is managing Community over Code production. It’s a community health problem and an example of Foundation educational and governance improvements. How can ComDev help ASF PMCs improve on that existing, very complex, and thorny issue? Best, Dave > > Owen Rubel > oru...@gmail.com > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 8:04 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik > wrote: > >> On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:03, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >>> Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The >>> responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but >> communication >>> around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it >>> has for many years. >> >> Thanks for many years of undying service and making this event a community >> one ! >>> >>> It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, >> which, >>> of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. >> >> Amen to that. And as to those that worry about this marketing `takeover' >> -- in the end of the day - the ASF, as a fully volunteer ran organisation, >> relies on us, as individuals, to strike that balance that makes these >> conferences so attractive to us volunteers & our community. We, volunteers >> vote with our feet ! >> >> So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation >> or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets >> just make sure together that these conferences are what we want. >> >> :) >> >> Dw. >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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"So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets just make sure together that these conferences are what we want." I kind of figured that was the point of speaking up; to let you know how vendor based conferences end up pushing out engineers. Owen Rubel oru...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 8:04 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:03, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > communication > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it > > has for many years. > > Thanks for many years of undying service and making this event a community > one ! > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > which, > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > Amen to that. And as to those that worry about this marketing `takeover' > -- in the end of the day - the ASF, as a fully volunteer ran organisation, > relies on us, as individuals, to strike that balance that makes these > conferences so attractive to us volunteers & our community. We, volunteers > vote with our feet ! > > So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation > or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets > just make sure together that these conferences are what we want. > > :) > > Dw. > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
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On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:03, Rich Bowen wrote: > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it > has for many years. Thanks for many years of undying service and making this event a community one ! > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, which, > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. Amen to that. And as to those that worry about this marketing `takeover' -- in the end of the day - the ASF, as a fully volunteer ran organisation, relies on us, as individuals, to strike that balance that makes these conferences so attractive to us volunteers & our community. We, volunteers vote with our feet ! So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets just make sure together that these conferences are what we want. :) Dw. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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Hi Rich, Thank you for your decade plus work as VP, Conferences. In my experience you’ve done tremendous work and yet I appreciate your choosing your focus to be here on Community. For those criticizing Rich’s personal decision as “bad” because “sales”. Please volunteer as a track chair. I was one and due to the way the selection process was run it was much harder to know who the speakers were. I’m not sure whether or not this helps with “vendors”. Regardless, volunteers are able to help if they are constructive. Best, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 8, 2023, at 4:04 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it > has for many years. > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, which, > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > Rich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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Well Ed, Feel free to take a look at any conference that has focused on sales/marketing. Vendors take over ALL TALKS. I used to speak at SpringOne, APIDays, APIWorld and others and the only way I get to speak these days is through 'pay-to-play'; they literally tell me that if I pay to be a vendor, they would gladly have me as a speaker. So feel free to call it conjecture but I will be more than happy to resend this email to the entire Apache community in 4 years time with your comments. Owen Rubel oru...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 7:03 AM Ed Mangini wrote: > That's an assumption and conjecture. > > If it's a concern of yours, there are more productive ways to raise the > issue and socialize avenues to protect the interests you're advocating for. > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 10:00 Owen Rubel wrote: > > > Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales and sales > > uses marketing materials to get sales. It is a mutually > > beneficial relationship. > > > > True events are about messaging BUT conferences are also about education. > > > > Too many conferences have gone down the route of merely pandering to > > vendors only and ignoring engineers. > > > > Once you hand off to sales/marketing, thats the final straw. There is no > > turning back. ApacheCon becomes purely about vendor sales/marketing, not > > engineering > > > > Owen Rubel > > oru...@gmail.com > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 6:45 AM wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 06:33 -0800, Owen Rubel wrote: > > > > Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely > > > > part > > > > of SALES. > > > > > > > > ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. > > > > > > I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. > > > > > > I'd expect someone with your deep experience in tech (This > > > you? https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-rubel-531197228/) to understand > > > that sales and marketing are fundamentally different things. > > > > > > Events are fundamentally about *messaging* which is what marketing is > > > about. Marketing has been an equal partner in the production of this > > > event since the first one in 1998. > > > > > > We don't have products, and thus we have no sales. > > > > > > As always, you are more than welcome to come participate in the > > > planning activities if you wish to shape that messaging. > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. > > > > > The > > > > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > > > > > communication > > > > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, > > > > > as it > > > > > has for many years. > > > > > > > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > > > > > which, > > > > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
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That's an assumption and conjecture. If it's a concern of yours, there are more productive ways to raise the issue and socialize avenues to protect the interests you're advocating for. On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 10:00 Owen Rubel wrote: > Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales and sales > uses marketing materials to get sales. It is a mutually > beneficial relationship. > > True events are about messaging BUT conferences are also about education. > > Too many conferences have gone down the route of merely pandering to > vendors only and ignoring engineers. > > Once you hand off to sales/marketing, thats the final straw. There is no > turning back. ApacheCon becomes purely about vendor sales/marketing, not > engineering > > Owen Rubel > oru...@gmail.com > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 6:45 AM wrote: > > > On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 06:33 -0800, Owen Rubel wrote: > > > Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely > > > part > > > of SALES. > > > > > > ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. > > > > I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. > > > > I'd expect someone with your deep experience in tech (This > > you? https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-rubel-531197228/) to understand > > that sales and marketing are fundamentally different things. > > > > Events are fundamentally about *messaging* which is what marketing is > > about. Marketing has been an equal partner in the production of this > > event since the first one in 1998. > > > > We don't have products, and thus we have no sales. > > > > As always, you are more than welcome to come participate in the > > planning activities if you wish to shape that messaging. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. > > > > The > > > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > > > > communication > > > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, > > > > as it > > > > has for many years. > > > > > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > > > > which, > > > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > >
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Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales and sales uses marketing materials to get sales. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. True events are about messaging BUT conferences are also about education. Too many conferences have gone down the route of merely pandering to vendors only and ignoring engineers. Once you hand off to sales/marketing, thats the final straw. There is no turning back. ApacheCon becomes purely about vendor sales/marketing, not engineering Owen Rubel oru...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 6:45 AM wrote: > On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 06:33 -0800, Owen Rubel wrote: > > Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely > > part > > of SALES. > > > > ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. > > I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. > > I'd expect someone with your deep experience in tech (This > you? https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-rubel-531197228/) to understand > that sales and marketing are fundamentally different things. > > Events are fundamentally about *messaging* which is what marketing is > about. Marketing has been an equal partner in the production of this > event since the first one in 1998. > > We don't have products, and thus we have no sales. > > As always, you are more than welcome to come participate in the > planning activities if you wish to shape that messaging. > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. > > > The > > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > > > communication > > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, > > > as it > > > has for many years. > > > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > > > which, > > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
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On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 06:33 -0800, Owen Rubel wrote: > Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely > part > of SALES. > > ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. I'd expect someone with your deep experience in tech (This you? https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-rubel-531197228/) to understand that sales and marketing are fundamentally different things. Events are fundamentally about *messaging* which is what marketing is about. Marketing has been an equal partner in the production of this event since the first one in 1998. We don't have products, and thus we have no sales. As always, you are more than welcome to come participate in the planning activities if you wish to shape that messaging. > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. > > The > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > > communication > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, > > as it > > has for many years. > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > > which, > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > Rich > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
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Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely part of SALES. ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. Owen Rubel oru...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it > has for many years. > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, which, > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > Rich >
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Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it has for many years. It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, which, of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. Rich
