Re: Integration testing
On Oct 14, 2009, at 22:22 , Peter Kriens wrote: We're experimenting in the OSGi with the compilers -jsr16 target. This allows us to program in J5 but generate 1.4 output ... Really cool. Sounds very interesting. Please do share your findings! Greetings, Marcel
Re: Integration testing
We're experimenting in the OSGi with the compilers -jsr16 target. This allows us to program in J5 but generate 1.4 output ... Really cool. Kind regards, Peter Kriens On 8 okt 2009, at 13:44, Karl Pauls wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Don Brown wrote: I do have several that would be applicable, but they require Java 1.5. I couldn't find anything about Felix's stance on Java compatibility other than it seems Maven is targeting 1.3. What would it take for that to change? Would it be possible to have the build require 1.5 (for tests) yet build 1.3 core jars? Maven 2 already requires 1.5, so the 1.5 JVM will be there. Yes, that is no problem. The default is 1.3 but you can request 1.5 on a per project basis. regards, Karl Don On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Karl Pauls wrote: The more tests we have the better! Are you interested in bringing over the tests as well? That would be cool :-) regards, Karl On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Richard S. Hall > wrote: On 10/8/09 12:24, Don Brown wrote: Since the TCK seems to be a deadend for automated testing, what other options do we have? Richard, you said you were working on a testing framework, but I don't see it svn. Are there a set of integration/functional tests I'm missing? I have a little framework we use in Atlassian Plugins for integration testing that I could bring over. I am using BND and my few tests are included in the my sandbox: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/sandbox/rickhall/bnd-test/ There is some [likely outdated] description of this here: http://felix.apache.org/site/bnd-testing-harness.html This isn't integrated in anyway, because there was no decision within the community to go with it, but it is still what I use when I create a new test cases. It is also what the OSGi TCK is based on. -> richard Any objections? Don -- Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com -- Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com
Re: Integration testing
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Don Brown wrote: > I do have several that would be applicable, but they require Java 1.5. > I couldn't find anything about Felix's stance on Java compatibility > other than it seems Maven is targeting 1.3. What would it take for > that to change? Would it be possible to have the build require 1.5 > (for tests) yet build 1.3 core jars? Maven 2 already requires 1.5, so > the 1.5 JVM will be there. Yes, that is no problem. The default is 1.3 but you can request 1.5 on a per project basis. regards, Karl > Don > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Karl Pauls wrote: >> The more tests we have the better! Are you interested in bringing over >> the tests as well? That would be cool :-) >> >> regards, >> >> Karl >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Richard S. Hall >> wrote: >>> On 10/8/09 12:24, Don Brown wrote: Since the TCK seems to be a deadend for automated testing, what other options do we have? Richard, you said you were working on a testing framework, but I don't see it svn. Are there a set of integration/functional tests I'm missing? I have a little framework we use in Atlassian Plugins for integration testing that I could bring over. >>> >>> I am using BND and my few tests are included in the my sandbox: >>> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/sandbox/rickhall/bnd-test/ >>> >>> There is some [likely outdated] description of this here: >>> >>> http://felix.apache.org/site/bnd-testing-harness.html >>> >>> This isn't integrated in anyway, because there was no decision within the >>> community to go with it, but it is still what I use when I create a new test >>> cases. It is also what the OSGi TCK is based on. >>> >>> -> richard >>> Any objections? Don >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Karl Pauls >> karlpa...@gmail.com >> > -- Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com
Re: Integration testing
The testing framework we use in Atlassian Plugins is really focused testing the integration between Atlassian Plugins, Spring DM, and Felix, so it may or may not be valuable for Felix. Here is a class that does some testing around plugin/bundle install: https://studio.atlassian.com/source/browse/PLUG/trunk/atlassian-plugins-osgi/src/test/java/com/atlassian/plugin/osgi/TestPluginInstall.java?r=44906 In Atlassian Plugins, a plugin is basically a jar that may or may not be a valid OSGi bundle. If not, we convert it into one via bnd upon installation. This class is running through several tests that build plugin jars, installs them, and verifies the installation was successful and it operates as expected. The interesting bit is how we build jars at runtime in the test itself, to hopefully keep the test readable in one pass. If your bundle/plugin is small, this works fine, but if you want to execute a bunch of code in the bundle, it doesn't. This is why it is well-suited, IMO, to integration testing. I could see this being used to test the embedding API to programmatically build and install bundles via a system activator, which is actually how Atlassian Plugins interacts with Felix. It can also be used to easily test interactions between multiple bundles, provided they contain little code. Don On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Toni Menzel wrote: > The Subject just drove me in somwhow ;)I would be very interested into a > complete framework testing solution. > Granted, Pax Exam is currently made for Application Integration Testing and > not for Frameworks itself cause you always see everything from a 3rd persons > perspective. > > What are the general requirements to offer such a thing (maybe based on pax > exam/runner infrastructure) ? > > Also, i guess integration testing is a very diverse term which does not help > to come up with a fit-it-all solution. > > So, maybe i should ask here, what are the things you feel are missing from > TCK (think its it closeness but never seen it myself), bnd-test, atlassian > framwork (dan, can we see that somehwere ?) and pax exam ? > > Toni > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > >> On 10/8/09 12:24, Don Brown wrote: >> >>> Since the TCK seems to be a deadend for automated testing, what other >>> options do we have? Richard, you said you were working on a testing >>> framework, but I don't see it svn. Are there a set of >>> integration/functional tests I'm missing? I have a little framework >>> we use in Atlassian Plugins for integration testing that I could bring >>> over. >>> >>> >> >> I am using BND and my few tests are included in the my sandbox: >> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/sandbox/rickhall/bnd-test/ >> >> There is some [likely outdated] description of this here: >> >> http://felix.apache.org/site/bnd-testing-harness.html >> >> This isn't integrated in anyway, because there was no decision within the >> community to go with it, but it is still what I use when I create a new test >> cases. It is also what the OSGi TCK is based on. >> >> -> richard >> >> Any objections? >>> >>> Don >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Toni Menzel > Independent Software Developer > Professional Profile: http://okidokiteam.com > t...@okidokiteam.com > http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open > Participation Software. >
Re: Integration testing
I do have several that would be applicable, but they require Java 1.5. I couldn't find anything about Felix's stance on Java compatibility other than it seems Maven is targeting 1.3. What would it take for that to change? Would it be possible to have the build require 1.5 (for tests) yet build 1.3 core jars? Maven 2 already requires 1.5, so the 1.5 JVM will be there. Don On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Karl Pauls wrote: > The more tests we have the better! Are you interested in bringing over > the tests as well? That would be cool :-) > > regards, > > Karl > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Richard S. Hall wrote: >> On 10/8/09 12:24, Don Brown wrote: >>> >>> Since the TCK seems to be a deadend for automated testing, what other >>> options do we have? Richard, you said you were working on a testing >>> framework, but I don't see it svn. Are there a set of >>> integration/functional tests I'm missing? I have a little framework >>> we use in Atlassian Plugins for integration testing that I could bring >>> over. >>> >> >> I am using BND and my few tests are included in the my sandbox: >> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/sandbox/rickhall/bnd-test/ >> >> There is some [likely outdated] description of this here: >> >> http://felix.apache.org/site/bnd-testing-harness.html >> >> This isn't integrated in anyway, because there was no decision within the >> community to go with it, but it is still what I use when I create a new test >> cases. It is also what the OSGi TCK is based on. >> >> -> richard >> >>> Any objections? >>> >>> Don >>> >> > > > > -- > Karl Pauls > karlpa...@gmail.com >
Re: Integration testing
The Subject just drove me in somwhow ;)I would be very interested into a complete framework testing solution. Granted, Pax Exam is currently made for Application Integration Testing and not for Frameworks itself cause you always see everything from a 3rd persons perspective. What are the general requirements to offer such a thing (maybe based on pax exam/runner infrastructure) ? Also, i guess integration testing is a very diverse term which does not help to come up with a fit-it-all solution. So, maybe i should ask here, what are the things you feel are missing from TCK (think its it closeness but never seen it myself), bnd-test, atlassian framwork (dan, can we see that somehwere ?) and pax exam ? Toni On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > On 10/8/09 12:24, Don Brown wrote: > >> Since the TCK seems to be a deadend for automated testing, what other >> options do we have? Richard, you said you were working on a testing >> framework, but I don't see it svn. Are there a set of >> integration/functional tests I'm missing? I have a little framework >> we use in Atlassian Plugins for integration testing that I could bring >> over. >> >> > > I am using BND and my few tests are included in the my sandbox: > >http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/sandbox/rickhall/bnd-test/ > > There is some [likely outdated] description of this here: > >http://felix.apache.org/site/bnd-testing-harness.html > > This isn't integrated in anyway, because there was no decision within the > community to go with it, but it is still what I use when I create a new test > cases. It is also what the OSGi TCK is based on. > > -> richard > > Any objections? >> >> Don >> >> > -- Toni Menzel Independent Software Developer Professional Profile: http://okidokiteam.com t...@okidokiteam.com http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software.
Re: Integration testing
The more tests we have the better! Are you interested in bringing over the tests as well? That would be cool :-) regards, Karl On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > On 10/8/09 12:24, Don Brown wrote: >> >> Since the TCK seems to be a deadend for automated testing, what other >> options do we have? Richard, you said you were working on a testing >> framework, but I don't see it svn. Are there a set of >> integration/functional tests I'm missing? I have a little framework >> we use in Atlassian Plugins for integration testing that I could bring >> over. >> > > I am using BND and my few tests are included in the my sandbox: > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/sandbox/rickhall/bnd-test/ > > There is some [likely outdated] description of this here: > > http://felix.apache.org/site/bnd-testing-harness.html > > This isn't integrated in anyway, because there was no decision within the > community to go with it, but it is still what I use when I create a new test > cases. It is also what the OSGi TCK is based on. > > -> richard > >> Any objections? >> >> Don >> > -- Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com
Re: Integration testing
On 10/8/09 12:24, Don Brown wrote: Since the TCK seems to be a deadend for automated testing, what other options do we have? Richard, you said you were working on a testing framework, but I don't see it svn. Are there a set of integration/functional tests I'm missing? I have a little framework we use in Atlassian Plugins for integration testing that I could bring over. I am using BND and my few tests are included in the my sandbox: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/sandbox/rickhall/bnd-test/ There is some [likely outdated] description of this here: http://felix.apache.org/site/bnd-testing-harness.html This isn't integrated in anyway, because there was no decision within the community to go with it, but it is still what I use when I create a new test cases. It is also what the OSGi TCK is based on. -> richard Any objections? Don
